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Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic935 Posts
September 09 2024 16:23 GMT
#21
Soulkey left it on Sea to do the switch or what was it about? Thanks for clarify. ;-)
Anyways..

Soulkey + Rush
HerO + JD
Snow + Mini
Stork + Light

But huge factor will definitely be the selected maps for bo1 part..
never too old for starcraft :)
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey741 Posts
September 09 2024 18:26 GMT
#22
On September 09 2024 22:12 Zografa wrote:
Does anyone know how the switch works? Soulkey picks who to switch for who? Or what? Kinda weird for him to take JyJ, who is very good tvz. I get the JD switch(because zvz is tricky) and i get the terran choice(easier to prepare) just dont get why he went for JyJ, also not sure what are the exact rules?

He cant switch first picks.He also want a T. So the options are JyJ,Royal and Light.

SK,Rush
herO,Bisu
SnOw,Mini
Stork,Light
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States361 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-12 19:53:29
September 10 2024 01:20 GMT
#23
Aw man my boy Barracks is so cooked....

A: SK/Rush
B: herO/Bisu, but I could see JD making it out instead of Bisu.
C: Rain/SnOw (assuming Rain's PvP is back on point... if this were any other group I feel like he'd be out)
D: Sharp/Light (Stork was lookin good but ngl it's hard to trust)
cheesehuehue
Profile Joined March 2024
Vatican City State90 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-10 18:47:29
September 10 2024 01:42 GMT
#24
On September 10 2024 01:23 Destroyer wrote:
Soulkey left it on Sea to do the switch or what was it about? Tha


So apprarently Soulkey had been teasing/announcing that he would pick Sea first. In response, Sea threatened Soulkey to make a group of death that would include Jaedong. Soulkey picked up Sea first anyways. In the next round, when it was Sea's turn to pick the third member of the group, Soulkey offered to give him "his power" to make the last change in the group as long as Jaedong didn't join their group and stated that he didn't care if anyone else joined. Sea liked the offer and they made a pinky swear (lol), apparently in part because he liked the idea of having that "much" power. Sea picked Rush, however, Rush picked Jaedong anyways. Soulkey had the power to move Jaedong away if he wanted anyways, but also seems like Sea was actually grateful to Soulkey so he honored his part of the deal and swapped JD away.
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2590 Posts
September 10 2024 02:44 GMT
#25
Why is Soulkey afraid of Jaedong? Jaedong's vZ is his worst matchup according to ASL stats
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
bochs
Profile Joined February 2022
114 Posts
September 10 2024 04:19 GMT
#26
On September 10 2024 11:44 chongu wrote:
Why is Soulkey afraid of Jaedong? Jaedong's vZ is his worst matchup according to ASL stats


At least in the old Kespa era, JD's zvz win rate was close to 70% if my memory serves correctly, and was leading the 2nd by a wide margin.

zvz by nature is highly dependent on opening, so SK would want to avoid any zvz (JD or not) if he could.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7808 Posts
September 10 2024 06:39 GMT
#27
SK and JYJ
Hero and JD
Snow and Mini
Sharp and ??? (hardest for me to guess...)
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13154 Posts
September 10 2024 07:32 GMT
#28
Interesting JD was picked so late. His form must be pretty good atm.

Group C is brutal, but about as good as Rain could've hoped for.

Same with D, looks really tough for Stork but also he'll be decently happy he only needs to prepare for PvT.

Predictions:

A: SK and Rush
B: Hero and Bisu
C: Snow and Mini
D: Light and Sharp
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4211 Posts
September 10 2024 07:48 GMT
#29
Some really sick groups, gotta say.. bummer that 3 great protosses are in group C.. I hope that 2 of them will be able to get out at least. Bisu and Jaedong in the same group, too.. is this 2009? :D Good stuff.

Should be a very interesting Ro16!
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4211 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-10 08:10:00
September 10 2024 07:49 GMT
#30
1 plays 2 first and 3 plays 4 first, btw right?

edit: Wait.. did they change the dates? I'm pretty sure it was 18th, 19th and 25th, 26th IX before..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50437 Posts
September 10 2024 11:55 GMT
#31
On September 10 2024 16:49 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
1 plays 2 first and 3 plays 4 first, btw right?

edit: Wait.. did they change the dates? I'm pretty sure it was 18th, 19th and 25th, 26th IX before..


yes on both questions

the dates have been updated.
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Kespa1988
Profile Joined January 2022
52 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-10 14:49:22
September 10 2024 14:47 GMT
#32
Interesting JD was picked so late. His form must be pretty good atm.


Well actually, its not. I have been watching his stream for long time, and while his form at the beginning of August was interesting and promising, the last 3 weeks were a total decline. Even his matches during the group competition were far from good. This decider match vs Shine was actually played badly by Shine rather than well by JD. Shine did not take advantage of the fact that he had a spore in both bases and instead of destroying JD's economy, he allowed him to set up a third base..

Anyway I really cheer for JD, but I think he is causing fear because of his unpredictable nature and experience mixed with hype, rather than his current shape .

Here are his stats from 29 July till now, in ProLeauge:

vs p W:8 L: 9
vs z W: 6 L: 7
vs t W:7 L: 9
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1070 Posts
September 10 2024 15:22 GMT
#33
Many new comers are emerging lately, but bw is such a difficult game, that you have some players that will qualify for ASL (SSL) every single time, yet, have absolutely zero chance to win it. Jaedong is one of them. Very strong, still stronger than the new comers, but cannot win an ASL, even a finals is extremely unlikely. Just like BeSt, Shine and many others.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6179 Posts
September 10 2024 17:50 GMT
#34
Soulkey+Rush
Hero+Bisu
Speed+Mini
Sharp+Royal
Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
211 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-10 18:03:22
September 10 2024 18:02 GMT
#35
From what i can see the problem with JD is simply... lack of practice. Just look at his youtube channel - most of the vids is him playing tenis and football and talking to girls - and notice how often he streams on afreeca playing competetively. I believe Snow is practicing like two times more in terms of quantity. If he puts the hours he might have a decent chance at least to reach ro8 every time. Something like what hero is doing.
flyingrat
Profile Joined September 2017
43 Posts
September 11 2024 01:07 GMT
#36
Anyone know why they pushed back the start of RO16 by a week?

I booked a trip to South Korea in part because I wanted to attend SSL once in my life and had assumed that Groups A and B were going to be on September 18th and 19th as it said on Liquipedia. Now it turns out they're on the 23rd and 24th, when I'll be gone. Oh well, win some lose some.
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States960 Posts
September 11 2024 14:49 GMT
#37
On September 10 2024 11:44 chongu wrote:
Why is Soulkey afraid of Jaedong? Jaedong's vZ is his worst matchup according to ASL stats


It's still a build order win like half of the time. In the finals the advantaged build won every single game.
cheesehuehue
Profile Joined March 2024
Vatican City State90 Posts
September 11 2024 16:30 GMT
#38
I think it's not specifically about JD, but rather about avoiding ZvZ. JD was the only non-seeded Zerg remaining.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1070 Posts
September 11 2024 17:54 GMT
#39
Switchingn a coin flip match up just so you have one match up to practice against. The exact definition of being afraid
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2550 Posts
September 11 2024 18:25 GMT
#40
On September 12 2024 02:54 TornadoSteve wrote:
Switchingn a coin flip match up just so you have one match up to practice against. The exact definition of being afraid


Your definition of being afraid is interesting.. Id call that being smart.
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