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[SSL Autumn] Ro16 Group Selection

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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
September 09 2024 04:27 GMT
#1
Monday, Sep 09 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)


SOOP StarCraft League Autumn 2024
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8047 Posts
September 09 2024 04:34 GMT
#2
Thanks BLinD-RawR !

I think i will watch it live !

Please an easy group for JD !!!!!! with sea and speed ... tho speed is on fire right now..
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey731 Posts
September 09 2024 06:11 GMT
#3
Will be interesting. Sea,Speed,Rax may be first three picks.
DiMiaN
Profile Joined October 2013
Finland300 Posts
September 09 2024 09:27 GMT
#4
Will there be an English cast translating?
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1034 Posts
September 09 2024 09:29 GMT
#5
I think Sea, Rain and barracks are going to be the first picks.
Sonic_md
Profile Joined March 2020
Moldova275 Posts
September 09 2024 10:59 GMT
#6
Very nice event))
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Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
177 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-09 11:41:11
September 09 2024 11:37 GMT
#7
Draft order:

1. SK-> Sea 2. hero-> Barracks 3. Snow-> Speed 4. Sharp-> Stork
5. Stork-> Royal 6. Speed-> Rain 7. Barracks-> JyJ 8. Sea-> Rush
9. Rush-> JD 10. JyJ-> Bisu 11. Rain-> Mini 12. Light is autodrafted.

They switch JD with JyJ.

From the looks of it they all rate JD far better than his recent stats say. He got drafted in last round and got switched.





Soft_General_5023
Profile Joined December 2023
73 Posts
September 09 2024 11:43 GMT
#8
yeah i was surprised rush got picked before jd

snow has a hard group
Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
177 Posts
September 09 2024 11:44 GMT
#9
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands887 Posts
September 09 2024 11:51 GMT
#10
Group A:
I think Rush or JyJ will upset Soulkey, but they won't eliminate him. Soulkey will go to Ro8 in 2nd place with JyJ(sorry rush). Sea does not stand a chance in that group.

Group B:
Realistically probably HerO and Bisu but lets just make it Jaedong and Bisu for the fans of the old days.

Group C:
SnOw and Speed. Call me crazy but It would be fun to see Speed progress despite him actually having the lowest odds in this group. Realistically it would be SnOw and Mini.

Group D:
Light and Stork. This will be the season of the old timers succeeding! To be honest anything could happen in this group but odds are in favor of Light.
JDON MY SOUL!
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1034 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-09 12:04:54
September 09 2024 12:03 GMT
#11
Soulkey//Rush JyJ can easily upset on a good day
Bisu//hero
Speed//Rain
Sharp//Stork
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands887 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-09 12:29:44
September 09 2024 12:29 GMT
#12
On September 09 2024 21:03 TornadoSteve wrote:
Soulkey//Rush JyJ can easily upset on a good day
Bisu//hero
Speed//Rain
Sharp//Stork



Speed and Rain over snow and mini! now this is a spicy prediction!
Sharp Stork over Royal Light is honestly also quite spicy, but anything is possible! I LIKE me some spicy predictions!
I think we can all agree though, these are 4 groups of death.
JDON MY SOUL!
cheesehuehue
Profile Joined March 2024
Vatican City State90 Posts
September 09 2024 12:30 GMT
#13
Soulkey-Rush //
Bisu-Hero // Upset: Bisu-Barracks
Snow-Mini
Light-Stork

GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51453 Posts
September 09 2024 13:10 GMT
#14
On September 09 2024 20:44 Zografa wrote:
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ugh why are protoss blue and terran red - tradition dictates that
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Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
177 Posts
September 09 2024 13:12 GMT
#15
Does anyone know how the switch works? Soulkey picks who to switch for who? Or what? Kinda weird for him to take JyJ, who is very good tvz. I get the JD switch(because zvz is tricky) and i get the terran choice(easier to prepare) just dont get why he went for JyJ, also not sure what are the exact rules?
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1034 Posts
September 09 2024 13:13 GMT
#16
On September 09 2024 21:29 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
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On September 09 2024 21:03 TornadoSteve wrote:
Soulkey//Rush JyJ can easily upset on a good day
Bisu//hero
Speed//Rain
Sharp//Stork



Speed and Rain over snow and mini! now this is a spicy prediction!
Sharp Stork over Royal Light is honestly also quite spicy, but anything is possible! I LIKE me some spicy predictions!
I think we can all agree though, these are 4 groups of death.


I dont really believe in Rain, but i believe in his PvP.
And i absolutely dont believe in sOrry, at all.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1034 Posts
September 09 2024 13:14 GMT
#17
On September 09 2024 22:10 GTR wrote:
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On September 09 2024 20:44 Zografa wrote:
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ugh why are protoss blue and terran red - tradition dictates that


Your face look like a dictate
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands887 Posts
September 09 2024 13:51 GMT
#18
On September 09 2024 22:10 GTR wrote:
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On September 09 2024 20:44 Zografa wrote:
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ugh why are protoss blue and terran red - tradition dictates that

they did that just trigger viewers like you :p
JDON MY SOUL!
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2007 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-09 14:00:43
September 09 2024 13:59 GMT
#19
Man of those picks look weird to me. Speed is surely better at TvP than JyJ and Sharp picking Stork looks like suicide.

I think that's a tough group for Soulkey and three Protoss in the same group is pretty terrible, as is putting two out of three Zergs in the same group.

I get that the selection ceremony has tradition, but wouldn't a proper seeding system be better to keep the tournament entertaining?

Thre's a non-zero chance that none of the seeds make it...
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria370 Posts
September 09 2024 15:23 GMT
#20
Snow gonna bomb out again.
Also, I don't fear the man practicing three match ups once.
I fear the man practicing one match up thrice.
Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic931 Posts
September 09 2024 16:23 GMT
#21
Soulkey left it on Sea to do the switch or what was it about? Thanks for clarify. ;-)
Anyways..

Soulkey + Rush
HerO + JD
Snow + Mini
Stork + Light

But huge factor will definitely be the selected maps for bo1 part..
never too old for starcraft :)
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey731 Posts
September 09 2024 18:26 GMT
#22
On September 09 2024 22:12 Zografa wrote:
Does anyone know how the switch works? Soulkey picks who to switch for who? Or what? Kinda weird for him to take JyJ, who is very good tvz. I get the JD switch(because zvz is tricky) and i get the terran choice(easier to prepare) just dont get why he went for JyJ, also not sure what are the exact rules?

He cant switch first picks.He also want a T. So the options are JyJ,Royal and Light.

SK,Rush
herO,Bisu
SnOw,Mini
Stork,Light
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States343 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-12 19:53:29
September 10 2024 01:20 GMT
#23
Aw man my boy Barracks is so cooked....

A: SK/Rush
B: herO/Bisu, but I could see JD making it out instead of Bisu.
C: Rain/SnOw (assuming Rain's PvP is back on point... if this were any other group I feel like he'd be out)
D: Sharp/Light (Stork was lookin good but ngl it's hard to trust)
cheesehuehue
Profile Joined March 2024
Vatican City State90 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-10 18:47:29
September 10 2024 01:42 GMT
#24
On September 10 2024 01:23 Destroyer wrote:
Soulkey left it on Sea to do the switch or what was it about? Tha


So apprarently Soulkey had been teasing/announcing that he would pick Sea first. In response, Sea threatened Soulkey to make a group of death that would include Jaedong. Soulkey picked up Sea first anyways. In the next round, when it was Sea's turn to pick the third member of the group, Soulkey offered to give him "his power" to make the last change in the group as long as Jaedong didn't join their group and stated that he didn't care if anyone else joined. Sea liked the offer and they made a pinky swear (lol), apparently in part because he liked the idea of having that "much" power. Sea picked Rush, however, Rush picked Jaedong anyways. Soulkey had the power to move Jaedong away if he wanted anyways, but also seems like Sea was actually grateful to Soulkey so he honored his part of the deal and swapped JD away.
chongu
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia2585 Posts
September 10 2024 02:44 GMT
#25
Why is Soulkey afraid of Jaedong? Jaedong's vZ is his worst matchup according to ASL stats
SC2 is to BW, what coke is to wine.
bochs
Profile Joined February 2022
111 Posts
September 10 2024 04:19 GMT
#26
On September 10 2024 11:44 chongu wrote:
Why is Soulkey afraid of Jaedong? Jaedong's vZ is his worst matchup according to ASL stats


At least in the old Kespa era, JD's zvz win rate was close to 70% if my memory serves correctly, and was leading the 2nd by a wide margin.

zvz by nature is highly dependent on opening, so SK would want to avoid any zvz (JD or not) if he could.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
September 10 2024 06:39 GMT
#27
SK and JYJ
Hero and JD
Snow and Mini
Sharp and ??? (hardest for me to guess...)
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13007 Posts
September 10 2024 07:32 GMT
#28
Interesting JD was picked so late. His form must be pretty good atm.

Group C is brutal, but about as good as Rain could've hoped for.

Same with D, looks really tough for Stork but also he'll be decently happy he only needs to prepare for PvT.

Predictions:

A: SK and Rush
B: Hero and Bisu
C: Snow and Mini
D: Light and Sharp
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
September 10 2024 07:48 GMT
#29
Some really sick groups, gotta say.. bummer that 3 great protosses are in group C.. I hope that 2 of them will be able to get out at least. Bisu and Jaedong in the same group, too.. is this 2009? :D Good stuff.

Should be a very interesting Ro16!
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-10 08:10:00
September 10 2024 07:49 GMT
#30
1 plays 2 first and 3 plays 4 first, btw right?

edit: Wait.. did they change the dates? I'm pretty sure it was 18th, 19th and 25th, 26th IX before..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
September 10 2024 11:55 GMT
#31
On September 10 2024 16:49 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
1 plays 2 first and 3 plays 4 first, btw right?

edit: Wait.. did they change the dates? I'm pretty sure it was 18th, 19th and 25th, 26th IX before..


yes on both questions

the dates have been updated.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Kespa1988
Profile Joined January 2022
40 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-10 14:49:22
September 10 2024 14:47 GMT
#32
Interesting JD was picked so late. His form must be pretty good atm.


Well actually, its not. I have been watching his stream for long time, and while his form at the beginning of August was interesting and promising, the last 3 weeks were a total decline. Even his matches during the group competition were far from good. This decider match vs Shine was actually played badly by Shine rather than well by JD. Shine did not take advantage of the fact that he had a spore in both bases and instead of destroying JD's economy, he allowed him to set up a third base..

Anyway I really cheer for JD, but I think he is causing fear because of his unpredictable nature and experience mixed with hype, rather than his current shape .

Here are his stats from 29 July till now, in ProLeauge:

vs p W:8 L: 9
vs z W: 6 L: 7
vs t W:7 L: 9
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1034 Posts
September 10 2024 15:22 GMT
#33
Many new comers are emerging lately, but bw is such a difficult game, that you have some players that will qualify for ASL (SSL) every single time, yet, have absolutely zero chance to win it. Jaedong is one of them. Very strong, still stronger than the new comers, but cannot win an ASL, even a finals is extremely unlikely. Just like BeSt, Shine and many others.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6177 Posts
September 10 2024 17:50 GMT
#34
Soulkey+Rush
Hero+Bisu
Speed+Mini
Sharp+Royal
Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
177 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-10 18:03:22
September 10 2024 18:02 GMT
#35
From what i can see the problem with JD is simply... lack of practice. Just look at his youtube channel - most of the vids is him playing tenis and football and talking to girls - and notice how often he streams on afreeca playing competetively. I believe Snow is practicing like two times more in terms of quantity. If he puts the hours he might have a decent chance at least to reach ro8 every time. Something like what hero is doing.
flyingrat
Profile Joined September 2017
43 Posts
September 11 2024 01:07 GMT
#36
Anyone know why they pushed back the start of RO16 by a week?

I booked a trip to South Korea in part because I wanted to attend SSL once in my life and had assumed that Groups A and B were going to be on September 18th and 19th as it said on Liquipedia. Now it turns out they're on the 23rd and 24th, when I'll be gone. Oh well, win some lose some.
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States924 Posts
September 11 2024 14:49 GMT
#37
On September 10 2024 11:44 chongu wrote:
Why is Soulkey afraid of Jaedong? Jaedong's vZ is his worst matchup according to ASL stats


It's still a build order win like half of the time. In the finals the advantaged build won every single game.
cheesehuehue
Profile Joined March 2024
Vatican City State90 Posts
September 11 2024 16:30 GMT
#38
I think it's not specifically about JD, but rather about avoiding ZvZ. JD was the only non-seeded Zerg remaining.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1034 Posts
September 11 2024 17:54 GMT
#39
Switchingn a coin flip match up just so you have one match up to practice against. The exact definition of being afraid
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2547 Posts
September 11 2024 18:25 GMT
#40
On September 12 2024 02:54 TornadoSteve wrote:
Switchingn a coin flip match up just so you have one match up to practice against. The exact definition of being afraid


Your definition of being afraid is interesting.. Id call that being smart.
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1034 Posts
September 11 2024 20:39 GMT
#41
On September 12 2024 03:25 sM.Zik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2024 02:54 TornadoSteve wrote:
Switchingn a coin flip match up just so you have one match up to practice against. The exact definition of being afraid


Your definition of being afraid is interesting.. Id call that being smart.


Pretty sure u play protoss
Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
177 Posts
September 12 2024 19:52 GMT
#42
Standard swap of JD, i doubt it its fear from SK, just no need for variance and easier practice time vs 3 terrans.

Morti1
Profile Joined August 2024
5 Posts
September 12 2024 21:29 GMT
#43
Do you guys know how long until they release the translation?
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
September 13 2024 00:14 GMT
#44
Thanks for the information!
Do we know group initial matchups?
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey731 Posts
September 13 2024 08:21 GMT
#45
On September 13 2024 09:14 thedeadhaji wrote:
Thanks for the information!
Do we know group initial matchups?

Seed vs their pick and the rest each other.

For instance

SK vs Sea
Rush vs JyJ

M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4195 Posts
September 13 2024 12:43 GMT
#46
The gap between ro24 and ro16 is insane.. wish it wasn't that long. actually kinda kills the hype tbh

bummer
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
September 17 2024 11:59 GMT
#47
On September 13 2024 06:29 Morti1 wrote:
Do you guys know how long until they release the translation?

It is out I just watched it yesterday!
The heart's eternal vow
Artas1984
Profile Joined August 2018
Lithuania119 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-18 18:38:50
September 18 2024 18:35 GMT
#48
Caster Park speaking to Hero (after Soulkey grabbed Sea as the first pick): ''there is still some real estate left for grabs''.

I now want Sea to make it into Ro16 every time - that guy has charisma to make the group nomination real fun. Imagine if Sea could get into shape in which he was back at ASL1&2 - nr. 1 terran he would be! I absolutely adored TY's savage trash talking of Sea and Rain as well! This was a great nomination. Anyway...

GROUP A: Soulkey & Rush.
GROUP B: Bisu & Hero.
GROUP C: Snow & Rain.
GROUP D: Light & Sharp.

I know Speed has no chance in hell, but it would be nice if he could at least take one game from each those protoss gods. I hope he will do a miracle and eliminate Mini, so we could sea Mini's iconic grotesque "twich-in-the-chair" one more time. Also, i think Snow is better than Rain at PvP these days. This is not the same Snow we had at S5/S6 - the amount of skill he gained since then is crazy, and Rain definitely is not in the same great form as he was in S5/S6. I hope Snow will make a statement and put Rain into dirt.
prion_
Profile Joined September 2022
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Last Edited: 2024-09-18 20:39:36
September 18 2024 20:30 GMT
#49
Speed took a game off Snow in the recent SCSL.
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