[ASL17] Ro8 Day 1

On April 01 2024 20:30 Terrorbladder wrote:
Come on Sharp, let's put this macro donkey out to pasture

On April 01 2024 20:34 PVJ wrote:
Sharp is so lucky with some of these engagements, can't believe it

On April 01 2024 20:39 prosatan wrote:

HBD Terrorbladder

On April 01 2024 20:57 foxmeep wrote:
How the fk do you have worse econ than Terran when Terran hasn't attacked you for 30 mins?

On April 01 2024 20:59 Terrorbladder wrote:
He lost 10+ probes to vulture runby early and Sharp got really good vulture placement to deny Protoss 4th.

On April 01 2024 20:40 TMNT wrote:

It's not luck. It's Tesagi.
When you can have 3CC unpunished at 7 min into the game, all you have to do is not fuck anything up, like siege 10 tanks on mines or something. Other than that, Terran can pretty much A move to victory.

On April 01 2024 21:03 foxmeep wrote:


He had map control pretty soon afterwards and 15-20 more supply anyway. Sharp cut heaps to do that runby. And it only killed like 6-7.

Best is actually just bad. I'm amazed he fluked his way through the previous round by pressing "z".

On April 01 2024 21:03 ggsimida wrote:
honestly best should have switched to another race long ago, he has no sense of utilizing protoss best traits and his macro style would have suited terran better maybe

On April 01 2024 21:08 oxKnu wrote:


Disagree, Terran at high level requires a lot of precision. The guy routinely loses large chunks of his units to mines that he already scouts, loses coursairs like a D-rank etc..

Best made Sharp look really good today with his non-existing game sense, however Sharp came up well prepared for the maps I thought.

Mini would've easily 3-0ed Sharp today though, literally all of the games he skipped something. Protoss players that don't have tunnel vision destroy this type of Terran.

On April 01 2024 21:09 ggsimida wrote:


zerg then lol? can press H instead of Z

On April 01 2024 21:03 Terrorbladder wrote:
Skill issue. Protoss only has to gas steal, rally early zealots to Terran main, make dragoons to force repair on bunker.

On April 01 2024 21:18 TMNT wrote:

Stop making troll posts.

On April 01 2024 21:26 Terrorbladder wrote:
After you.

On April 01 2024 21:31 Comedy wrote:
so nice that tl.net posters who wouldnt reach b rank on the ladder talk about best not having game sense. absolutely ridiculous. Best has some of the best game sense in the world, he's an ASL ro8 player. Jfc

things are going on in the games that none of you have any clue about as to why players make decisions that they do, you simply cant comprehend it because you have the game knowledge of a d rank, so being less judgemental is probably a good thing.

Sharp played great today.

On April 01 2024 21:14 oxKnu wrote:


We don't need to guess. There is already a version of Zerg that plays like Best. Hero.

He looks a little bit sneakier because that race has more tools in every match-up but he has the same tunnelvision and lack of game sense.

Both have the same history: Always top8-16 but routinely failing in the later stages of tournaments and their losses always look the same. NO ASL wins too.

On April 01 2024 21:43 TMNT wrote:

That's quite an apt comparison (with Hero). But Best's Terran doesn't necessarily look the way you described. Have you ever watched his offrace games? He pretty much rolled all the Terrans (offracing as Protoss in a TvP raceswap matchup), bar Light, with solid defend, until Protoss runs out of steam. I guess the way the race functions forces players to adapt. TvZ is actually the matchup that resembles his PvT style, where he brute forces his way to victory with insane macro. His TvZ is good enough that allows him to even beat Queen's main race.

On April 01 2024 22:27 ggsimida wrote:


i make those posts precisely because i vaguely remember seeing some of best's terran offrace and being impressed by them. protoss has always been about exploiting and abusing spells and gimmicks like reavers to win tourneys at the highest level that is just not best's playstyle i didnt see any tvt the one that actually requires the most positioning and game sense tho think he will massively struggle in those.

On April 02 2024 00:35 RogerChillingworth wrote:
omg this was so hard to watch xD

Best played pretty bad.

On April 02 2024 04:45 TMNT wrote:
Fun facts: before today's games, Best played a total of 36 PvT games versus Royal, Rush and Light in the 4 days prior. The results:
+ Show Spoiler +

Now if you follow these players closely you will probably know these kinds of results are so TYPICAL. Results swing back and forth on a daily basis or even during a series itself. A BO3, 5 or even 7 in ASL means very little in the grand scheme (when it comes to evaluating a player's level)

On April 02 2024 05:41 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Feel like Best did this even when he didn't know Sharp had expanded super fast, which means it REALLY shouldn't work. But he also did it from behind?

Also stasising vultures instead of tanks in crucial engagements, dropping reavers in tank range and abandoning them getting 0 shots off, not retreating with goons over and over and losing them to obvious tank splatter, etc.

On April 02 2024 06:51 TMNT wrote:

Well, problem is, what can Protoss do when they are behind in PvT? As much as you don't want to dive into the race discussion, there is almost no viable option for Protoss to come back from behind (I'm sure Bonyth may concur this).

Terran can camp until max and the death ball machine can turn the game around, like what Light did vs Best in the Ro16 (didn't work, but it was close) . Zerg can camp and wait for Defiler that may flip the game upside down, like what Soulkey always does.

Protoss? Too late for the typical Reaver/DT mid game harassment. Carrier? Yes, if you want to die earlier. Arbiter in the modern meta only works when Protoss is at least not behind, and generally just not that useful anymore.

The best option for Protoss nowadays is to patiently storm/scarab the advancing Terran army, even for one unit at a time, to gain back the advantage little by little, and generally it only works cross spawn (which Best sort of tried in game 3). And it takes a Protoss much better than the Terran player to pull that off successfully. Even Snow couldn't do it all the time, like when he tried vs Sharp in Ro16, partly because of the horizontal spawn in Retro. There were a few times in Proleague that I watched when Best came from behind by having one of his god like Gatewayman engagements, but basically he needed to hit a mine drag jackpot for it to work, which essentially is a big mistake from Terran.

On March 28 2024 15:40 Nirli wrote:
When I hear Sharp, I think vulture. When I hear Best, I think zealot. Vulture > zealot.

On April 02 2024 04:45 TMNT wrote:
Fun facts: before today's games, Best played a total of 36 PvT games versus Royal, Rush and Light in the 4 days prior. The results:
+ Show Spoiler +

Now if you follow these players closely you will probably know these kinds of results are so TYPICAL. Results swing back and forth on a daily basis or even during a series itself. A BO3, 5 or even 7 in ASL means very little in the grand scheme (when it comes to evaluating a player's level)

On April 06 2024 14:31 thossx wrote:
I do think Best gets nervous, does poor gameplanning, or something is going on in high stakes series play that psyches him out a bit. I expect by now not to see him in top form in the Ro8. Maybe he could use help of a coach or sports psychologist. Sharp seemed better prepared and like he wanted it more. It helps that Terran has such a strong late game push.

On April 06 2024 22:31 Ideas wrote:
I'm wondering... does it all go back to 2008 when he was a rookie who almost royal-roaded the OSL but then got stomped so hard by July that it has put a permanent mental block on his ability to perform well in high-stakes major tournaments (mostly joking)? lol