[ASL16] Ro24 Group E

On August 22 2023 19:49 Lovethelord wrote:
this is actually good for JD. JvZ and then he beats Ample

On August 22 2023 19:51 prosatan wrote:

JvZ isn't good anymore

On August 22 2023 20:55 Peeano wrote:
I can feel the sadness of JD fans through my screen. As a consolation you can still root for mini-dong

On August 22 2023 20:57 prosatan wrote:

Peeano, you mean Killer ?

On August 22 2023 21:17 Zergxhx wrote:
Snow Jaedong Light Rain Queen died in r24,lmao
I love bo1

On August 22 2023 21:30 TMNT wrote:
I know Queen lost twice to Ample but watching the second game I can't say Ample is the better player. The current meta just gives Terran too much firepower against Zerg. Too many times have I seen that kind of MM bust at Zerg's natural while Zerg scrambles for life.

I mean his 8 Rax didn't work, then he lost his first bio ball, then lost all his Valkyries (actually Queen should have died already if Ample didn't control his Valkyrie so badly). Doesn't matter, just keep making MM and overrun Zerg. Basically I don't even know if Muta opening is worth it anymore or should all Zergs play like Effort vs Light yesterday.

On August 22 2023 21:56 Terrorbladder wrote:
bruhhhh

- the current meta just gives Terran too much firepower against Zerg: existed for 20 years, Zerg players won multiple championships in spite of it
- Zero's loss: it's not the tier 3 player's fault that the tier 1 player decided to go for an all in build that the tier 3 player correctly identifies and counters
- 8 rax not working: 8 rax isn't an all in, not killing the enemy hatchery doesn't mean the game is over for T
- losing bio ball: bio is meant to be traded in early-mid game TvZ for map control/information, and Ample built enough barracks to make his bio ball replaceable, so losing the first bio ball near the enemy base isn't some sort of game ending deficit
- just keep making MM and overrun Zerg: this is obviously just wrong, if it was correct, Light would have ended either Action or Effort yesterday

On August 22 2023 21:17 Zergxhx wrote:
Snow Jaedong Light Rain Queen died in ro24,lmao
I love bo1

On August 22 2023 22:59 outscar wrote:
What a throw from Ample, he played such a clean TvT just to allow Sharp to comeback when he had like 50 less supply, that's why he always remains tier 4 player no matter what. But then he got his shit together and knocked ZerO out twice! Unbelivable results. He is the guy who knocked out SoMa last season, his TvZ is scary.

Poor JD but he's not in good form lately sadly. It wasn't that hard group for him and that ZvZ muta suicide at end from him was painful, he needs to work on his decision making.



Imagine if Ivory and Stork advance from last group knocking out Rush and Bisu lol.
Looking at Ivory's qualifiers he knocked out sSak who's number 1 terran on ladder from words of Artosis and SoMa at end. If he won't choke like all amateurs on stage he has a bit of chance.

On August 22 2023 23:54 RJBTV wrote:


Ample definitely is not tier 4 skill. But he definitely has weaknesses. Ample is slow at responding and adjusting but great at proactive play where he makes the move that the opponent has to respond to. If he can maintain a proactive game state, specifically in TvZ he's capable of taking down any zerg. He's a tier 2 in TvZ. TvT tier 3 and TvP tier 4. TvP is a reactive match-up, specifically what he's bad at. If he gets a proactive TvP game state he's way better. Guess it has to do with some map awareness and information gathering.

On August 23 2023 00:47 prosatan wrote:
Light = RoyaL > JyJ = Rush > Mind = sSak = Sharp = Mong > Ample = Sea

On August 23 2023 01:45 RogerChillingworth wrote:


How dare you be so mean to Ample!! prosatan!!!

Y'all just haven't seen the Chample in action.

Anyways, I stopped rooting for Jaedong a long time ago because he's got too much rust in his joints or something. When he just ran his mutas into Sharp's army before GGing i was like yea, OK. Had one of these fuckin (...) moments. I even think the (...) was physically over my head for like 5 minutes. Then I started laughing.

JD WHAT ARE YOU DOING.

On August 23 2023 02:15 WGT-Baal wrote:
The attack by the lings on the bioball was also questionable by JD.

On August 23 2023 03:43 RogerChillingworth wrote:


yeah i had the same reaction. JD prolly thought Sharp's screen was somewhere else and he'd get a few mauls off before stim was activated, possibly turning the fight. But JD does this a lot these days. A lot of weird gambles. I get it tho. such a competitive environment and his springs aren't as tightly wound as they used to be. But given that, i'd probably play more strategical if i were him. Go for some weirder builds and maybe some cheese. i'd certainly understand it more than straight up questionable tactical play.

On August 23 2023 06:32 Magic Powers wrote:
Maybe now people are going to realize that, yes indeed, it is in fact the bo1 format that kills the gods in the group stage.
No, wait. That can't be. It has to be that they're just bad at the game lmao

On August 23 2023 07:37 gabsingin wrote:
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Is it just me or are TvZs getting really predictable and in turn so boring to me? Marine ball plus medic, mow down mutalisks, bust down a zerg base, rinse and repeat. Because it is simply impossible for the zerg to properly allocate all resources until defiler+lurkers are out.

Is it a map thing, or is it a skill level / decision making of individual players thing?

I know conceptually it is the most efficient way, but I miss the times when it isn't so streamlined. Maybe I'm just biased towards Zero and JD and are pissed that they played poorly.

On August 23 2023 07:37 gabsingin wrote:

Is it just me or are TvZs getting really predictable and in turn so boring to me? Marine ball plus medic, mow down mutalisks, bust down a zerg base, rinse and repeat...

On August 22 2023 21:14 konadora wrote:
Dong has been avenged, thats all that matters

On August 23 2023 08:30 RowdierBob wrote:
JD going out at this stage really isn’t much of an upset. Queen not making it is a bigger deal imo.

On August 24 2023 00:05 Nirli wrote:
The JD of old would've base traded (and won). I feel for JD fans, he's definitely lost his killer instinct.
@TMNT - weren't Royal and JyJ the biggest grinders on ladder before they won their ASLs? Are Z players training enough, or are they're relying on old glory?

On August 24 2023 22:29 TMNT wrote:

Royal yes. Not sure about JYJ (and Mind) though. On stream they don't play that much, off stream who knows? But that 'practice hard enough' thing is just a myth. All that amount of games and their TvP is still weak especially JYJ. How do you explain that huh?

On August 24 2023 23:47 Nirli wrote:

I won't deny that the Valk fix that came with Remastered is quite something.

Ranged attacks normally create a single bullet sprite that is removed shortly after reaching the target, and some other things like SCV sparks are also bullets as well. If there were 100 bullets on the map at once, or 80 bullets created specifically by Valkyries, then when a Valkyrie attempted to create a new bullet, it would fail to do so. This means that the Valkyrie would not create a rocket, and thus the attack would effectively do nothing. Since Valkyries create large numbers of bullets on their own, even a few can quickly reach the cap when there is other activity, such as units firing and SCVs or probes mining. In long 1v1s and especially in team battles, this cap prevented Valkyries from being used where they would be most valuable - when there are large groups of air units. However, that patch included an update to the limit on bullets in a single game, in Patch 1.21.0 the sprite limit was greatly increased, including an increase of bullet limit to 200, though Patch 1.21.3 doubled that limit again to 400.

On August 23 2023 09:32 Lazyer wrote:
Bro whoever voted on Ample to get out of this group must be a prophet.

Group highlight goes to Queen for his Gas only expand on Invader. I could not believe the drones jumping over the ramp LOL.

Secondary highlight goes to the back and forth winners game.

Group lowlight also goes to Queen for sniping 5 Valks and then just getting busted anyway.

On September 01 2023 09:11 RogerChillingworth wrote:
^ I like your reasoning, Simplistik. Ample's quite good. People like PROSATAN givin him too much shit ^_^. I am hoping JD goes through with Ample but it's more likely Queen. Sharp is good and we all love Sharp, but wouldn't expect him to get out of this group.