EPTThat just shows how good Savior is lol
GomTV3 MSL Ro8 - Savior vs. Free - Page 26
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
That just shows how good Savior is lol | ||
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Braavos36389 Posts
On October 26 2007 03:51 WhatisProtoss wrote: Wrong. It's better to get archons against mutalisks instead of storm. Free just never could get a sizable group of corsairs since he kept losing them one at a time. If you watched game 4, you'd know that it was way better for Free to get storm than archons. When there's like 30 mutas, they can easily kill mineral line cannons and 1 or 2 archons with proper spreading. Your archons get run around the map too much, because you have to keep 3+ archons together or they will die too fast separately to so many mutas. You can protect your expos much better with one or two templars with cannons. On October 26 2007 04:37 Monsen wrote: Well to me game 4 was like game 3 with the necessary adjustments. In game 3 Savior stayed at 3 bases very long, waiting for the push that only came after Free had 3 bases of his own. This multi-teching from 2 bases that this protoss style includes does very little pressure before that (in the hands of Free at least). While Bisu makes up for that with tough Corsair/Dt (or pure Corsair speed Zeals) harass, I already felt in game 3 that you could take 1 or 2 extra expansions against Free in that time. Game 4 and game 3 are highly different, and it wasn't just a decision by Savior to take more bases. In game 3 he thought Free was going Reaver-Sair but free fooled him. Loki allows for an easily defended 3rd gas by Protoss and nice, tight clumped areas to attack. It's just a good PvZ map. Zodiac, on the other hand, has wide open spaces and it's much much easier to mass expo there. | ||
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IaniAniaN
Canada555 Posts
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bine
United States2352 Posts
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Braavos36389 Posts
On October 26 2007 08:21 OneOther wrote: Well it could also just be that Bisu's pvz style works better vs savior than Free's does... Bisu is the only Protoss capable of doing his style. Honestly, I don't think Bisu can be "stylistically" countered. If he's going to be beaten, he'll be beaten by someone who simply plays better or is better, not someone with simply a different style. Bisu is not a product of his build, he's just really, really good. The reason some Zergs can beat him and some can't isn't because of style--Bisu is just better. He creates situations where his superior multitask slowly wears them down. A few seconds here, a few there, and they steadily lose ground (see the most recent OSL game against GGPlay). A lot of people here seem to think July or some aggressive Zerg can "solve" Bisu, but I really doubt it, not in a Bo5. Bisu will adjust defense according to what his probes see, it's not simply a matter of the Zerg's decision to attack. | ||
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bine
United States2352 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
we have a little more information to work with compared to last time this happened | ||
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
On October 26 2007 08:40 bine wrote: Sounds like what people said about Savior pre-Bisu, though, right? Anything can happen; even if someone looks unbeatable in a matchup, something can always change that. And what people said about Savior then was correct. Savior wasn't stylistically countered. He was outplayed. Its not like Bisu's build sucks ass if you anticipate it. This is proven by Savior not able to beat him even when switching styles in subsequent matches. The same applies for Bisu. There is no easy way to beat a player of his caliber, else everyone would be doing it. To beat him in a Bo5 series, you have to play better than him. There is no other way. | ||
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bine
United States2352 Posts
Personally, I don't think the reason Bisu owns Savior so much is that he's a better multitasker or anything like that. I think he won that first series because he found a weakness in Savior's play (stylistic or otherwise) and exploited it (in Chess you call it out-preparing your opponent), and the ensuing shock and psychological shit has enabled him to keep an edge on Savior. I think Bisu is the best PvZ, I think he's super good blah blah, but I don't think he's like another level above Savior in terms of skill in general. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
bisu IS that much better than savior at multitasking and controlling the game flow. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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yakii
Korea (South)1448 Posts
[Savior vs. Free] - GomTV3 MSL Ro8 2007-10-25 (Thursday), 18:30 Game 1 - < Python > + Show Spoiler + Game 2 - < Blue Storm > + Show Spoiler + Game 3 - < Loki II > + Show Spoiler + Game 4 - < Zodiac > + Show Spoiler + Game 5 - < Python > + Show Spoiler + nope  | ||
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
[edit]Because I don't want to create any harsh arguments I just want to say that one of the reasons I like Savior over Bisu is because personally I just like to watch Zergs more than Protoss. Plus when I first started getting into the proscene sAviOr was the dominant one. So add my love for zerg and sAviOr being the best and it becomes obvious why I hope he smashes Bisu in the finals. | ||
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
On October 26 2007 11:13 boghat wrote: I'm so sick of Bisu, if sAviOr beats Bisu in this MSL final my StarCraft fandom will be complete. [edit]Because I don't want to create any harsh arguments I just want to say that one of the reasons I like Savior over Bisu is because personally I just like to watch Zergs more than Protoss. Plus when I first started getting into the proscene sAviOr was the dominant one. So add my love for zerg and sAviOr being the best and it becomes obvious why I hope he smashes Bisu in the finals. What an excellent reason to hate on Bisu! | ||
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
On October 26 2007 11:42 Liquid_Turbo wrote: What an excellent reason to hate on Bisu! I don't hate him, I just like Savior more that's all. And when I say I'm sick of him I just mean I wish Savior was #1 again. I like Bisu as a Protoss though, I have nothing against him, he's obviously unbelievably good. | ||
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Q(-_-Q)
United States348 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On October 26 2007 11:42 Liquid_Turbo wrote: I think it is. That's how being a fan works.What an excellent reason to hate on Bisu! | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
that was random | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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