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Wizard
Poland5055 Posts
![[image loading]](http://teamliquid.net/staff/KizZBG/gomtv3.jpg) GomTV S3 MSL - Round of 8 Group B  free vs  sAviOrGame 1 @ Python Game 2 @ Blue Storm Game 3 @ Loki II Game 4 @ Zodiac Game 5 @ Python Results: + Show Spoiler + Savior > Free @ Python Savior > Free @ Blue Storm Savior < Free @ Loki II Savior > Free @ Zodiac | ||
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Wizard
Poland5055 Posts
 predictions: sAviOr will win, this questions asked. That being said, I don't think he'll win three-zero.... no exact maps, but I will guess at three-one, savior wins | ||
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ambit!ous1
United States3662 Posts
savior 3-1 | ||
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Wizard
Poland5055 Posts
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Deleted User 31060
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ii.blitzkrieg
Canada1122 Posts
SAVIOR FIGHTING | ||
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Wizard
Poland5055 Posts
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Lhyviathan
Australia975 Posts
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
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Gokey
United States2722 Posts
On October 24 2007 13:36 Purind wrote: Exciting! Free, show us your some Godly PvZ skills. Prove to us that Bisu's PvZ isn't definitely the best one out there! yeah right hahshahahaha anyway, savior will own free 3-1 | ||
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
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Pressure
7326 Posts
if fucking pj can do it FREE CANNN | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On October 24 2007 13:49 Pressure wrote: free if fucking pj can do it FREE CANNN That's right! the condition of course is that sAviOr must not be allowed to practice in any of those maps till the day of the match. | ||
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Wizard
Poland5055 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
(please oh please don't prove me wrong MJY  ) | ||
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cravy
United States525 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
. Savior has free's card. | ||
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wifeH
United States127 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
I do actually want sAviOr to win. Fucking free beat GARIMTO. That shit's just not right. He loses any Protoss honor he once had. I want sAviOr to rape him so bad that he quits BW. | ||
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IaniAniaN
Canada555 Posts
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AyOnY
Pitcairn1026 Posts
On October 24 2007 17:23 IaniAniaN wrote: I doubt Savior will play free 100% straight up like he did against bisu, Reminiscent of Savior vs Hwasin, I doubt we'll see savior play his trip hatch every game, he'll change it up and make free work for it (but probably lose anyways). Can someone tell me though, what's free so good at in PvZ that Stork and Bisu can't do? Just game sense? What the hell are you talking about? Bisu is best PvZ on earth... | ||
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KimHyung
60 Posts
On October 24 2007 17:28 AyOnY wrote:What the hell are you talking about? Bisu is BeSt PvZ on earth...But not forever. Do not underestimate sAviOr, i know he`ll use his god powers and smash that Protoss little wh**e  Zergs ! Fight for Freedom @@; !! Time to end this P dominance. | ||
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bellsprout
Australia219 Posts
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KimHyung
60 Posts
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On October 24 2007 17:53 bellsprout wrote: question: when was the last time savior beat a top competitor who's not stork? ironically it was a 2-0 of free | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
Bisu vs sAviOr finals~ 5 games.. all games 1 hour+ °° Bisu win 3-2°!!!^^ | ||
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
United States2869 Posts
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
free > savior @ blue storm free > savior @ loki ii savior > free @ zodiac savior > free @ python savior > free 3:2 | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Game 1 -- Savior has yet to lose a ZvP on Python (even though his ZvT sucks there). Free has lost exactly 2 PvZ matches on Python... both to Savior. Savior > Free Game 2 -- I honestly have no idea. Records indicate that P has the advantage, but only 9 ZvP matches total have been played. The map is unusual and I have yet to play it. However, I will go Savior, since I don't think the balance is enough to push this game into Free's favor, though I might be wrong. Savior > Free Game 3 -- Only 1 PvZ total has been played here and as I would expect, P won that match. With the base behind the main like that, this map is really good for PvZ. Free will be able to get upto 3 bases easily and go into macro mode from there with Savior unable to curb it, only go into macro mode himself. I think Free's precision PvZ senses will clinch it. Savior < Free Game 4 -- This map seems pretty well balanced in PvZ to me. That essentially means Savior has the advantage. Savior > Free Savior 3 - Free 1 | ||
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
They'll play python 2 times, (provided Free manages to steal two games), and I really don't see Free winning on Python against sAviOr. | ||
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sohee_pink
Philippines447 Posts
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kigga
United States200 Posts
On October 24 2007 22:26 Mortality wrote: Predictions Game 1 -- Savior has yet to lose a ZvP on Python (even though his ZvT sucks there). Free has lost exactly 2 PvZ matches on Python... both to Savior. Savior > Free Game 2 -- I honestly have no idea. Records indicate that P has the advantage, but only 9 ZvP matches total have been played. The map is unusual and I have yet to play it. However, I will go Savior, since I don't think the balance is enough to push this game into Free's favor, though I might be wrong. Savior > Free Game 3 -- Only 1 PvZ total has been played here and as I would expect, P won that match. With the base behind the main like that, this map is really good for PvZ. Free will be able to get upto 3 bases easily and go into macro mode from there with Savior unable to curb it, only go into macro mode himself. I think Free's precision PvZ senses will clinch it. Savior < Free Game 4 -- This map seems pretty well balanced in PvZ to me. That essentially means Savior has the advantage. Savior > Free Savior 3 - Free 1 100% Agree with this. If Free pulls away 2 wins, game 5 is on Python and I don't see Savior losing on it gogo Savior! | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
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DJEtterStyle
United States2766 Posts
On October 25 2007 00:30 rushz0rz wrote: Free 3-2 Savior. Precisely! As I said in a different thread... 9 of the 283 reasons why Free is going to beat Savior: 1) Remember that episode of Family Guy where Lois' Tae-Jitsu instructor tells her to "free the beast"? See any similarities to the name Free[gm]? Free is going to free his beast all over Savior's forehead. 2) Incidentally, "Free the Beast" is also the name of Slauter Xstroyes' second album--yet another reference to Free slaughtering Savior. 3) The original savior, Jesus Christ, got nailed to a fucking cross. Who was responsible? Not the Jews. No, it was Free. 4) Savior's original handle was IPXZerg. The Korean prefix IPX roughly translates to "that guy who loses to Free on October 25, 2007." 5) The weakest Protoss unit is the zealot. The weakest Zerg unit is the zergling. One versus one, who wins? That's right, the zealot. And lest you say that it's "not a fair comparison," just remember that this series is one versus one. 6) Nietzsche declared that God is dead, which means that there's no one to give Savior his usual divine inspiration. 7) It's a little known fact that Savior's team, CJ, stands for "Complete Jokes." 8) I've referred to Free as "The Perfect Storm" once or twice. One of the maps is Blue Storm. Coincidence? I THINK NOT. 9) One of the maps is Zodiac. Free is a Sagittarius. Savior is a Cancer. Based upon these indisputable facts, we can safely say that Free is going to prove to be a figurative tumor in Savior's brain. (Feel free to add the rest if you know them! I'm just tired of typing.) | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Sadness
Brazil552 Posts
On October 25 2007 00:50 DJEtterStyle wrote: Precisely! As I said in a different thread... 5) The weakest Protoss unit is the zealot. The weakest Zerg unit is the zergling. One versus one, who wins? That's right, the zealot. And lest you say that it's "not a fair comparison," just remember that this series is one versus one. 7) It's a little known fact that Savior's team, CJ, stands for "Complete Jokes." 8) I've referred to Free as "The Perfect Storm" once or twice. One of the maps is Blue Storm. Coincidence? I THINK NOT. haha I loved these ones | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
On October 25 2007 00:50 DJEtterStyle wrote: (Feel free to add the rest if you know them! I'm just tired of typing.) I C Wut you did thar! | ||
Chill
Calgary25977 Posts
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P_King
Russian Federation363 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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.MistiK
Netherlands347 Posts
seriously though, i think that it's going to be 3-2 for Free I dont think that sAviOr will come back from his slump | ||
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cravy
United States525 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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Nyovne
Netherlands19133 Posts
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Response
United States1936 Posts
On October 25 2007 00:50 DJEtterStyle wrote: Precisely! As I said in a different thread... 9 of the 283 reasons why Free is going to beat Savior: 1) Remember that episode of Family Guy where Lois' Tae-Jitsu instructor tells her to "free the beast"? See any similarities to the name Free[gm]? Free is going to free his beast all over Savior's forehead. 2) Incidentally, "Free the Beast" is also the name of Slauter Xstroyes' second album--yet another reference to Free slaughtering Savior. 3) The original savior, Jesus Christ, got nailed to a fucking cross. Who was responsible? Not the Jews. No, it was Free. 4) Savior's original handle was IPXZerg. The Korean prefix IPX roughly translates to "that guy who loses to Free on October 25, 2007." 5) The weakest Protoss unit is the zealot. The weakest Zerg unit is the zergling. One versus one, who wins? That's right, the zealot. And lest you say that it's "not a fair comparison," just remember that this series is one versus one. 6) Nietzsche declared that God is dead, which means that there's no one to give Savior his usual divine inspiration. 7) It's a little known fact that Savior's team, CJ, stands for "Complete Jokes." 8) I've referred to Free as "The Perfect Storm" once or twice. One of the maps is Blue Storm. Coincidence? I THINK NOT. 9) One of the maps is Zodiac. Free is a Sagittarius. Savior is a Cancer. Based upon these indisputable facts, we can safely say that Free is going to prove to be a figurative tumor in Savior's brain. (Feel free to add the rest if you know them! I'm just tired of typing.) epic fail savior 3-0 | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
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cravy
United States525 Posts
On October 25 2007 02:44 Myrmidon wrote: Free's PvZ is probably 2nd-best right now, better than Stork's. I guess if you consider JulyZerg and Jaedong great PvZ opponents... the fact is, free has never beat Savior. Looking at his record of games, he hasn't played that many great zerg's at PvZ. He's definitely no Bisu | ||
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viceroy
Romania227 Posts
So I think Free has the advantage. I'd say 3-1 for Free. But I would really like the Maestro to win... | ||
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lovetramy
Vietnam120 Posts
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Sigrun
United States1654 Posts
It's too bad I can't stay up and watch this one, I'm really hyped up for it too. | ||
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Sadness
Brazil552 Posts
On October 25 2007 03:44 viceroy wrote: It seems nearly impossible to win against good protoss these days. Strong units that require less micro, a very strategical play where the player doesn't have to rely on intuition or skill... gg ROFL Dumbest post of the week | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On October 25 2007 03:44 viceroy wrote: Yeah, stork is such a pushoverIt seems nearly impossible to win against good protoss these days. Strong units that require less micro, a very strategical play where the player doesn't have to rely on intuition or skill... gg So I think Free has the advantage. I'd say 3-1 for Free. But I would really like the Maestro to win... | ||
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joeki
Sweden292 Posts
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viceroy
Romania227 Posts
On October 25 2007 04:33 DamageControL wrote: Yeah, stork is such a pushover Savior got lucky killing Stork's shuttle, and second game that he won was not very convincing either. Then Savior lost to Pj, it's all because of the game mechanics, not because Pj was better. Protoss power will increase over time, not decrease. | ||
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viceroy
Romania227 Posts
Care to comment ? or you're just making stupid statements to reach your quota for today ? | ||
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viceroy
Romania227 Posts
On October 25 2007 04:07 lovetramy wrote: impossible to win a good toss ? lolz you understand the meaning of nearly ? yes ? that is many tanks ? yes ? Many good players changed races (Testie, Goody comes to mind) to be protoss players, right ? I think they could provide you with good arguments. But then again, I'm not sure you'd understand and would be just a waste of time. misquoting me and then adding at the end a meaningful lolz, makes for a good post, and gives insides into your brain development. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
i'd advise not posting broad, sweeping statements on subjects you have no clue about. | ||
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viceroy
Romania227 Posts
On October 25 2007 05:29 Hot_Bid wrote: viceroy, don't be condescending. your opinions are really misinformed and ignorant, and you write them as if they are fact. there are just so many inaccuracies and bad assumptions in your posts, i don't even know where to start. i'd advise not posting broad, sweeping statements on subjects you have no clue about. aye aye captain ! I see the wisdom of your words ! | ||
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MasterReY
Germany2708 Posts
and can i watch it on gomtv? or do i have to use yaoyuan? or maybe even pplive? :o | ||
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Darkmole
United States900 Posts
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MarklarMarklar
Fiji1823 Posts
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OctoPuSs
Canada5279 Posts
On October 25 2007 05:01 viceroy wrote: you understand the meaning of nearly ? yes ? that is many tanks ? yes ? Many good players changed races (Testie, Goody comes to mind) to be protoss players, right ? I think they could provide you with good arguments. But then again, I'm not sure you'd understand and would be just a waste of time. misquoting me and then adding at the end a meaningful lolz, makes for a good post, and gives insides into your brain development. Cause neither of them have the required hand speed to play Zerg or Terran. | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
On October 25 2007 03:44 viceroy wrote: It seems nearly impossible to win against good protoss these days. Strong units that require less micro, a very strategical play where the player doesn't have to rely on intuition or skill... gg So I think Free has the advantage. I'd say 3-1 for Free. But I would really like the Maestro to win... OK, so is the strong unit that require less micro, no intuition, no skill description of PvZ only true today? Why has it not been true for the 6 years prior to this? Did it take a genius like Bisu to figure out that protoss has strong units and that PvZ takes no skill? Did all P players for the past 6 years lose PvZ because they didn't know how to use strong units that require no micro and require no intuition and skill? Oh, maybe they tried to use skill and that's why they lost lawl Maybe it is hard to win ZvP nowadays, but please, give us real reasons instead of that bullshit explanation of yours | ||
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Breavman
Sweden598 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
sAviOr's ZvP is still the strongest matchup in all of progaming. His ZvT may be less effective, but I don't see him losing zvp against a non-bisu toss. | ||
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IaniAniaN
Canada555 Posts
On October 24 2007 17:28 AyOnY wrote: What the hell are you talking about? Bisu is best PvZ on earth... I meant that Savior is obviously going to win, I was just wondering what free does in ZvP that's so exceptional that people think he could pull this off? | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On October 25 2007 04:55 viceroy wrote: I'm pretty sure Z's still beat toss the majority of the time... This is no worse than the Dark Ages were for toss, when no matter what toss went against another player it seemed like the other player would always win, and toss winning ANY game was a cause for a happy week.Care to comment ? or you're just making stupid statements to reach your quota for today ? | ||
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hhkx
Canada757 Posts
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
10-11. My Name is Danger The big names do not want to face Free. On a bad day he beats himself, on a good day he beats anyone. free has strong pvz, his biggest problem is whether he shows up to play or not if he shows up, it could be an electric series | ||
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dragoonkf
Singapore1256 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
On October 25 2007 05:48 viceroy wrote: aye aye captain ! I see the wisdom of your words ! Douchebaggery ahoy ! Seriously, protoss is only easier at really really low levels of play. | ||
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triangle
United States3803 Posts
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Juglinjugglo
Korea (South)187 Posts
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Juglinjugglo
Korea (South)187 Posts
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
Free's a good player :-/ | ||
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
Unless Free stops acting like Midas and choking bad, that is his only chance, even if he doesn't choke I think it will just mean 3-2 loss instead of a 3-0 loss. Oh yeah and when i say yawn raped I'm not kidding, Savior seriously looks like he's falling asleep in those two games against Free, go look. | ||
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
On October 25 2007 05:48 viceroy wrote: aye aye captain ! I see the wisdom of your words ! A sarcastic Romanian! The world is ending! hurry! do something about it! | ||
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blagoonga123
United States2068 Posts
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
Just not tonight T_T | ||
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DJEtterStyle
United States2766 Posts
On October 25 2007 11:01 HonestTea wrote: Free Free! Just not tonight T_T ET TU, HONESTTEA? | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
In my heart I will of course be rooting for... actually, (and this always happens with me) I started to feel more and more for Savior as he lost his brilliance. I kind of what him to be dominant again so I can watch his great play with that familiar mixture of hate and awe. Then again, Free needs to be freed because he is possibly the greatest Toss in-fighting brawling motherlover of all time. Savior in the final will of course be more dramatic though. I think in this case I lean back and hope the games are fun. But in terms of who will actually win... I believe there should be no doubt. Birds fly and dogs die. | ||
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The Storyteller
Singapore2486 Posts
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Deleted User 31060
3788 Posts
it really just depends on how well free plays. It's not a question of ability, it's a question of preparedness. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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bahhh
United States888 Posts
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
On October 25 2007 10:44 Last Romantic wrote: A sarcastic Romanian! The world is ending! hurry! do something about it! Like ? Romanians have been sarcastic for hundreds of years and the world didn't end. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
On October 25 2007 12:47 FirstBorn wrote: Like ? Romanians have been sarcastic for hundreds of years and the world didn't end. Hopefully this is a joke.... | ||
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blagoonga123
United States2068 Posts
On October 25 2007 12:47 FirstBorn wrote: Like ? Romanians have been sarcastic for hundreds of years and the world didn't end. Can't tell if this is sarcasm... On another note, where did this Romanian Sarcasm thing start? | ||
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
On October 25 2007 12:47 FirstBorn wrote: Like ? Romanians have been sarcastic for hundreds of years and the world didn't end. My hope is the same as boghats. Actually, no, I think vindication of my point works too. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=60575 That thread's the original. | ||
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blagoonga123
United States2068 Posts
On October 25 2007 13:36 Last Romantic wrote: My hope is the same as boghats. Actually, no, I think vindication of my point works too. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=60575 That thread's the original. LOL that's hilarious | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
On October 25 2007 13:36 Last Romantic wrote: My hope is the same as boghats. Actually, no, I think vindication of my point works too. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=60575 That thread's the original. lol @ everyone in that thread I had never read that thread before, thanks. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
But you know, I'm pretty worried myself about this. Free's PvZ was always something to be scared of, but then again Savior's ZvP win rate is still at 90%... but then, I dunno it's just so weird with savior lately. When he rapes he rapes and then yawns, but then he goes and get's 0-3'd, or loses to pj. I think as long as free stays away from the bisu build we'll be ok :D | ||
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Savior! please take this win just hoping for gg's really! | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On October 25 2007 14:59 Live2Win wrote: GOOOOOOO SAVIOR!!!! But you know, I'm pretty worried myself about this. Free's PvZ was always something to be scared of, but then again Savior's ZvP win rate is still at 90%... but then, I dunno it's just so weird with savior lately. When he rapes he rapes and then yawns, but then he goes and get's 0-3'd, or loses to pj. I think as long as free stays away from the bisu build we'll be ok :D huh? 90%? its more like 73-74% | ||
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Sigrun
United States1654 Posts
I think he means MSL only, I'm not too sure. | ||
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MiroslavKlose
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Waves
Australia185 Posts
Can't know for sure what Live2Win was talking about, but if you look at non-Bisu ZvPs (in TLPD that is; I don't know how complete it is) in 2006 or 2007 it's 92%. Taking only 2007 it drops to 88%. That said, although he won, I didn't think Savior looked really dominating vs either Stork or SangHo. I'm expecting Free to put up a fight. Edit: I didn't actually see his games against Free in the WCG qualifier. How were they? | ||
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IaniAniaN
Canada555 Posts
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Diggity
United States806 Posts
If free takes one it is on loki, but even if he does take Zodiac after that back to python and Savior takes it. I predict 3-1 | ||
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
On October 25 2007 15:35 IaniAniaN wrote: Terrible, free completely missed savior's base because he assumed that savior was guaranteed to 12hatch and the next game tried to double gate savior but savior had it covered with enough lings so it ended up being pretty nasty for free. Yeah you're right, you just mixed up the games, the first one was the double gate that got smashed. That double gate reminds me of Free's last game versus Savior before WCG, which was a couple months ago in the Proleague and it was also on Python. Savior destroyed Free that game too. Basically every game of Free vs. Savior hasn't been close at all. | ||
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Waves
Australia185 Posts
On October 25 2007 15:37 Diggity wrote: Savior has yet to lose to a protoss on python. I dont see him losing blue storm. He came fairly close to losing against SangHo on Blue Storm. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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Waves
Australia185 Posts
On October 25 2007 15:45 OneOther wrote: ...But he still won A similar dice with death against Free may not have gone so well. Although SangHo has played pretty well recently, Free is still better. That said, I'm sure Savior learned from that game against SangHo. | ||
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
Thus, if he doesn't win 3-0, I'd think he'd lose blue storm. | ||
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saranghaeCY-
United States446 Posts
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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.dragoon
United States749 Posts
Just play neo PvZ. Even PJ > Maestro with neo pvz! Wow 6 pages and game hadn't even started yet :O | ||
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saranghaeCY-
United States446 Posts
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Quesadilla
United States1814 Posts
Free is next. | ||
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bahhh
United States888 Posts
yes people are lazy like me =DD | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7222 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
A monster which has been proven itself in the past.. victory over victory.. indeed you are his prey.. Over and over again you will fail to beat him.. ravaging all of you.. very few can beat him.. since he is a champion! Forever he wanted to last.. reigning over everything.. eliminate all mistakes and.. earn perferction..! | ||
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saranghaeCY-
United States446 Posts
On October 25 2007 16:29 bahhh wrote: well gom requires a seperate program and a bit hassle to operate.. while sc2 is easier yes people are lazy like me =DD How is it a hassle to operate? its very simple and easy to lower the quality so the stream doesn't freeze. And sc2 actually has to run java which completely slows down your comp while running and GOM does not  | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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gravity
Australia1847 Posts
On October 25 2007 16:19 saranghaeCY- wrote: Why do people keep asking about sc2 -.-, just use GOM? GOM player fucks up the sound in Bioshock so I had to uninstall it. | ||
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DJEtterStyle
United States2766 Posts
The pressure unrelenting, A haiku for Free. | ||
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
His defilers swarm and plague; The Maestro of Zerg. ![[image loading]](http://www.cjentus.com/attach/cheerful/1740/1740_1.jpg) That was nice I'll admit | ||
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DJEtterStyle
United States2766 Posts
The leaves, they did fall, Yet from top to bottom, Free, he stood tall. His computer so stately, A majestic thing it was, Free took his seat greatly, And looked hardly a thug. A Kingdom was Free, Reaching for the stars, And so did Savior plea, For assistance from afar. But destiny, no, it lived up to its name, Thus did Free's doubters look quite insane. Added: YOU CAN'T COMPETE, BOGHAT. I HAVE AN ENGLISH DEGREE. ^^ | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
On October 25 2007 17:11 DJEtterStyle wrote: Style without bounds, The pressure unrelenting, A haiku for Free. this isnt even a haiku your subconscious thinks free is going down in flames, as much as you would like to think otherwise | ||
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DJEtterStyle
United States2766 Posts
On October 25 2007 17:27 SoMuchBetter wrote: this isnt even a haiku your subconscious thinks free is going down in flames, as much as you would like to think otherwise You could pose the argument that, depending upon enunciation, style is two syllables, "sty" and "el." Being that syllables are defined based upon pronunciation, there's always been some wiggle room in terms of syllables per line in poetry. Don't be that guy. Added: Free 3-2, with wins on Python, Loki, and Blue Storm. | ||
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lololol
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On October 24 2007 16:41 Last Romantic wrote: I want sAviOr to rape him so bad that he quits BW. | ||
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I am reading the guides but I just cannot make it start...:-((((((((( | ||
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HonestTea
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Free storms, Savior dodges. | ||
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Brutalisk
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GoogleIt
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On October 25 2007 18:18 HonestTea wrote: An observation by William Carlos Williams: Free storms, Savior dodges. | ||
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zurg
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pretty vs Z 56games 37w 19 L 66,1% history savior 4-0 | ||
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Zeus toppledKingdom in flamesMuch has been lostVictory beyond ReachLive free or dieIntoTheRain we descend, once again.Damn I'm out of useable toss names (who are good). | ||
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zurg
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On October 25 2007 18:29 kjk wrote: any live reporters here ? the match is about to start already. i cant watch it live with gom player still commercials | ||
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The Storyteller
Singapore2486 Posts
On October 25 2007 18:23 M2 wrote: they dont work for me as well, and I reached a point where I found in GOM the match between free and savior and there is that big green button and when I press it, the intro of MSL shows and then nothing.......... Try again? It seems to be working for me. Is there an orange button after you press the green button? That will make the stream lower quality and easier to stream. | ||
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rushz0rz
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On October 25 2007 18:30 DJEtterStyle wrote: White corn nachos with medium cheddar, black beans, scallions, and chipotle hot sauce? Check. Ice-cold golden ale? Double check. A shot of vodka for each time Free kills a hatchery? TRIPLE CHECK. you're going to be very drunk by the end of this series. | ||
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zurg
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On October 25 2007 18:32 MiroslavKlose wrote: @ zurg you have any working stream else then Gom? http://yaoyuan.com/live.php maybe | ||
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On October 25 2007 18:32 The Storyteller wrote: Try again? It seems to be working for me. Is there an orange button after you press the green button? That will make the stream lower quality and easier to stream. Yes I have red and orange button, I am pressing the orange one and it looks like it will work( with a lot of alg though..) however do you know how to make it buffer for a longer beriod? | ||
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rushz0rz
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On October 25 2007 18:35 T-BoT[pL] wrote: mbc or ong? mbc obviously... | ||
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MiroslavKlose
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thx, but those link doesnt work this time for me... even sc2 doesnt work... hmpf | ||
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rushz0rz
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On October 25 2007 18:38 boghat wrote: Why does Free insist on calling himself Pretty now? because thats exactly what he is. his goon micro is also pretty. | ||
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Camlito
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Free@3 Savior@12 Python | ||
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Midori
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live reports please! | ||
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zurg
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On October 25 2007 18:38 MiroslavKlose wrote: thx, but those link doesnt work this time for me... even sc2 doesnt work... hmpf sry T_T | ||
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Savior dances his drones away, lings hatch and take the zealot down with no damage done. Free has core up now and is warping a stargate. | ||
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Free's corsair heads for Savior's scouting overlord, but Savior's hydra chases it away just in time! Savior going for the ramp with hydra ling! | ||
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This stream is insanely frustrating. It's so bad that I'm considering saying "fuck it" and waiting for VODs. | ||
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On October 25 2007 18:50 Plexa wrote: im glad savior has discovered there are different openings other than muta LOL | ||
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savior at 2 free at 8 | ||
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Smuft
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Nice build form Savior on Python but I think Free was in a superior position after he came down his ramp with zealots. For example if free had 2-3 cannons when savior's units came he would have held and had a much better economy. | ||
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pangshai
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On October 25 2007 18:54 The Storyteller wrote: Hey, pangshai... you got out of camp for the match? =) lol 12 days to ORD. ^^ | ||
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jaesung
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upper is high quality bottom is low quality usually low quality looks same as high quality.. + lower bandwidth | ||
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On October 25 2007 18:41 GTR-2-Go wrote: Just use GOM, any decent connection will be able to handle it (orange stream). If you live in Korea, yes. For the rest of the world it's a lot different. Gom always lags. So there's basically no streams. I am also considering waiting for vods. | ||
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blagoonga123
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that was good | ||
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On October 25 2007 18:57 BlackStar wrote: GTR is a little aussie bitch i think. but yeah GOM is fine here if you just use low quality streamIf you live in Korea, yes. For the rest of the world it's a lot different. Gom always lags. So there's basically no streams. I am also considering waiting for vods. | ||
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2:0 | ||
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mel_ee
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On October 25 2007 18:59 Plexa wrote: lol this is what kwanro vs bisu will look like Oh man cant wait for that game. | ||
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Dewis
Finland344 Posts
On October 25 2007 18:41 GTR-2-Go wrote: Just use GOM, any decent connection will be able to handle it (orange stream). 10/10 here and lags as hell.. | ||
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On October 25 2007 18:57 BlackStar wrote: If you live in Korea, yes. For the rest of the world it's a lot different. Gom always lags. So there's basically no streams. I am also considering waiting for vods. i live not in korea T_T but GOM works perfect for me | ||
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blagoonga123
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On October 25 2007 18:58 yubee wrote: GTR is a little aussie bitch i think. but yeah GOM is fine here if you just use low quality stream I have a really fast internet (college dorm connection, something like 4mb/s download speeds). That said, I still get quite a lot of lag spikes. | ||
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yubee
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On October 25 2007 18:59 Plexa wrote: LOL HAHAHAlol this is what kwanro vs bisu will look like | ||
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The Storyteller
Singapore2486 Posts
Lucky you. I have about 12 days till this year's reservist. | ||
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Hot_Bid
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On October 25 2007 18:57 BlackStar wrote: If you live in Korea, yes. For the rest of the world it\\\'s a lot different. Gom always lags. So there\\\'s basically no streams. I am also considering waiting for vods. 95% of the time GOM is fine for me, I live in the United States. The rest of the time SC2 is fine. | ||
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DJEtterStyle
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On October 25 2007 19:00 boghat wrote: Sorry Etter, lol ;p ^^ | ||
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On October 25 2007 18:59 Plexa wrote: lol this is what kwanro vs bisu will look like i thought i would be the only one who would be crazy enough to vote for a kwanro > bisu upset. | ||
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jaesung
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On October 25 2007 19:00 blagoonga123 wrote: I have a really fast internet (college dorm connection, something like 4mb/s download speeds). That said, I still get quite a lot of lag spikes. dorm connection doesnt mean u wont lag.. u just need to have better connection with latency.. dorm connection usually hogged up by other people downloading/uploading warez | ||
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NovaTheFeared
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NuDy
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anyone help me | ||
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MiroslavKlose
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red.venom
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On October 25 2007 19:01 pangshai wrote: i thought i would be the only one who would be crazy enough to vote for a kwanro > bisu upset. I voted partially for the points but also I think its about time Bisu loses hard to a Z.. It may or may not actually happen, but I think people believe Bisu is a little more invincible than he really is right now. : [ It will be like Savior if anything, the air of invincibility will be gone when he finally loses a big series. | ||
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The Storyteller
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On October 25 2007 19:03 bahhh wrote: i found out clicking the orange-yellow button on the bottome instead of the orange-red on the top reduces the quality and lag. this is regarding gomtv. Oh. Thought it was regarding Savior's EZ button. | ||
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BlackStar
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On October 25 2007 19:00 zurg wrote: i live not in korea T_T but GOM works perfect for me I never said it will only work for people in Korea. I said that only in Korea a good connection guaranties you a lag free stream. | ||
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On October 25 2007 19:03 red.venom wrote: I voted partially for the points but also I think its about time Bisu loses hard to a Z.. It may or may not actually happen, but I think people believe Bisu is a little more invincible than he really is right now. : [ It will be like Savior if anything, the air of invincibility will be gone when he finally loses a big series. Your judgement is invalid. Bisu is not invincible, it is KwanRo that is overrated. Game 2 vs Light has clearly shown that his skill level is below what it takes. I might want to see someone worthy to take down Bisu (namely, either Free or Savior), but not KwanRo. He's just another Flash and there was no sane person that was satisfied with Bisu's loss to Flash last season. | ||
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On October 25 2007 19:07 BluzMan wrote: His game against sea told a different story though, just late swarming is all...Your judgement is invalid. Bisu is not invincible, it is KwanRo that is overrated. Game 2 vs Light has clearly shown that his skill level is below what it takes. I might want to see someone worthy to take down Bisu (namely, either Free or Savior), but not KwanRo. He's just another Flash and there was no sane person that was satisfied with Bisu's loss to Flash last season. however, the build savior used on python is very similar to the build kwanro used against soo - dont dismiss him due to a sloppy performance in a won game | ||
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On October 25 2007 19:07 rushz0rz wrote: Free will come back 3-2. You heard it here first. You heard it here second. BLIND FAITH FTW. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
i can't believe people are saying kwanro has a legit chance, he's had TWO games zvp, 1-1 (L Kal, W Soo), with one of them several months ago. how can you possibly say he's going to beat the best pvz? he a) looked horrible game 2 vs light and b) is unproven in anything but zvt. people totally overrate "being aggressive" as some sort of miracle solution to bisu because of one bad july game and one bad oversky game. every P will die to 3 hatch lings at some point, it's inevitable. bo5? no way. | ||
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On October 25 2007 19:10 phreekill wrote: yaoyuan works now i think.. worked for like 1 min, now its freezing like hell | ||
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Netherlands3029 Posts
On October 25 2007 19:09 kjk wrote: lag free stream needs at least 5megabits connection if u live outside of korea A connection is as good as its weakest link. It has nothing to do with my connection to the internet. Why would I need a 5mbit connection for a stream that takes up much much less bandwidth anyway? | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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On October 25 2007 19:07 BluzMan wrote: Your judgement is invalid. Bisu is not invincible, it is KwanRo that is overrated. Game 2 vs Light has clearly shown that his skill level is below what it takes. I might want to see someone worthy to take down Bisu (namely, either Free or Savior), but not KwanRo. He's just another Flash and there was no sane person that was satisfied with Bisu's loss to Flash last season. Really? So being a Flash fan automatically makes you insane? Interesting. I wonder if thats in the clinical textbooks. | ||
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GoogleIt
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Plexa
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On October 25 2007 19:13 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: keyword: SATISFIEDReally? So being a Flash fan automatically makes you insane? Interesting. I wonder if thats in the clinical textbooks. | ||
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BluzMan
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Now stop bleeding and start fighting. | ||
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On October 25 2007 19:11 Hot_Bid wrote: bisu is going to rape the shit out of kwanro i can't believe people are saying kwanro has a legit chance, he's had TWO games zvp, 1-1 (L Kal, W Soo), with one of them several months ago. how can you possibly say he's going to beat the best pvz? he a) looked horrible game 2 vs light and b) is unproven in anything but zvt. people totally overrate "being aggressive" as some sort of miracle solution to bisu because of one bad july game and one bad oversky game. every P will die to 3 hatch lings at some point, it's inevitable. bo5? no way. I agree, but I don't think his record should be used in an argument. I mean, 1-1 is only televised games. I'm sure he practices. :S | ||
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pangshai
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savior at 2 free at 8 | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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On October 25 2007 19:14 Plexa wrote: keyword: SATISFIED And a FLASH FAN would be SATISIFIED with a FLASH WIN. | ||
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BluzMan
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On October 25 2007 19:13 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Really? So being a Flash fan automatically makes you insane? Interesting. I wonder if thats in the clinical textbooks. Being a Flash fan, but taking down a strong player with two all-in builds in a row with a help of luck and maps only to die hopelessely in the next round is not something that is appreciated. Respect the audience, that's it. | ||
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just added forge.. neo pvz ftw!! | ||
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FREEEEEE | ||
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thanks so much for live reports. | ||
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bahhh
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free added rebor bay while savior has den up already | ||
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bahhh
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i am assuming its to see the shuttle with reaver when it moves out savior also has 3 evolution chamber up!! | ||
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Two dts attacking an expo, splits the dts, Savior chases one pretty far away, and then attacks the expo with the other, the overlord comes back first, Free kills it with his sairs. | ||
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On October 25 2007 19:28 rushz0rz wrote: TAKE A SHOT ETTER DONE AND DONE. | ||
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mass templar > mass drone | ||
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BluzMan
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OMFG OMFG OMFG lots of shit dead, nexus still alive omg ETTER TAKE ANOTHER ONE | ||
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On October 25 2007 19:34 BluzMan wrote: ETTER TAKE ANOTHER ONE YES. FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE | ||
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jaesung
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saviour fucked now.. and free is coming back | ||
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BluzMan
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MANY LINGS VS MANY GOON WHO WINS?!!! | ||
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No way for Savior to win this... | ||
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Free has more bases at this point DOOM DROP AT 6!! NEXUS LIVES!!!! | ||
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YESYESYESYESYESYES | ||
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On October 25 2007 19:39 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: For the sport of it I will now start taking grey goose vodka shots every time savior kills a nexus I'd recommend against it. This is getting pretty rough already, ahahaha. | ||
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rushz0rz
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savior cant beat free straight up. | ||
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On October 25 2007 19:40 DJEtterStyle wrote: I'd recommend against it. This is getting pretty rough already, ahahaha. Ya I realized that, thought you might need some encouragement If it goes to a 5th game, we're in trouble. | ||
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On October 25 2007 19:40 rushz0rz wrote: gg 2-1. savior cant beat free straight up. lol yeah, if "straight up" means on a great pvz map then OK | ||
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red.venom
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On October 25 2007 19:40 Nyovne wrote: I seriously don't see what you can do as zerg on this map. Toss starts off with free 3 bases and from there it's a problem T_T. Lategame seems instant loss. There is always potential to end the game early but overall yeah its pretty tough I would say. If Z can control half the map with all tech its possible though of course. | ||
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pangshai
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On October 25 2007 19:41 NovaTheFeared wrote: Will our fellow TLers die of alcohol poisoning in a 3-2 series? Stay tuned to find out. Things could go "more" interesting if the games draw , draws in a row! | ||
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Spire for savior | ||
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red.venom
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sair out.. scourage chases it away | ||
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BluzMan
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NVM OVER JUST HATCHED IN TIME WTF savior has 5 bases omfg | ||
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they never showed the mid bottom expand coming | ||
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which is literally impossible with his condition | ||
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and here comes the GG | ||
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savior 3:1 Free | ||
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red.venom
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On October 25 2007 20:02 DJEtterStyle wrote: TRY THIS AGAINST BISU, SAVIOR. I DARE YOU. hahahahah we both know bisu would never allow this | ||
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Bisu will avenge you hopefully | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
We're well on our way to an excellent final. Savior should always go supergreedy zerg against that fe protoss style. Mutas/sunk seem like a good idea against the tech heavy low unit count harass that the "Bisu" style employs against mass expansions. Besides- I love Sauron style, it's the way Zerg is meant to be played. | ||
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NovaTheFeared
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That's right. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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On October 25 2007 20:12 ItchReliever wrote: free\'s good at making units though damn. htink he might be better than bisu in that department he isnt | ||
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Brutalisk
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Nyovne
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On October 25 2007 20:14 MYM.Testie wrote: Bisu Savior and Hwasin push the envelope of human potential and ability. They absolutely embody the pinacle of their respective races and human potential. It's awsome, respect. | ||
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GoogleIt
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On October 25 2007 20:33 puLs.ReADy wrote: Guys lets not forget that Free best mu is pvz... He has nice record vs July and Gorush but Savior is just too much i guess only protoss that can beat savior in BO's is Bisu. and bisu is the only one that has right?? oh yeah.. nvm. he also lost to that chinese guy. forgot his name | ||
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Hittegods
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SickTighT
United States337 Posts
makes me question why PJ isn't playing for a pro team (i know he WAS in SKT1, but why isn't he still there) | ||
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Braavos36374 Posts
On October 25 2007 21:01 SickTighT wrote: lol @ PJ's 2-1 vs savior then savior rolls over stork and 3-1's free makes me question why PJ isn't playing for a pro team (i know he WAS in SKT1, but why isn't he still there) Players have good days and bad days, add Savior underestimating PJ and PJ playing really well for 3 games, add unpracticed maps, etc. Not taking any credit from PJ, was a great and deserved win. But I don't think the WCG series showed any latent potential in PJ to become a superstar, if he had an ability to contribute in Korea, it would have been discovered at SKT1. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
Well i heard pj when he was in skt his pvz was pretty bad. | ||
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Germany698 Posts
On October 25 2007 21:17 kigga wrote: please update the results in the OP this is the 4-5th time he makes a thread > 6hours before the games and updates the results >12 hours after the games. | ||
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Honk2000
Germany698 Posts
On October 25 2007 21:17 AcquiescE wrote: nice, vods already up:D where? | ||
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L!MP
Australia2067 Posts
http://teamliquid.net/tracker/ of course | ||
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Brutalisk
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A shame that YY and SC2.org didn't work. | ||
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United States200 Posts
On October 25 2007 22:17 Hot_Bid wrote: I updated the OP. Everyone, if you're not going to watch live and update the original post with results, do not create the thread. Thank you very much HB. Yeah theres a reason I don't make these threads, because on the east coast the games start at like 3 in the morning | ||
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cravy
United States525 Posts
On October 25 2007 22:13 bellsprout wrote: no discredit to free but savior not a snowball chance of hell beating bisu with play like that I doubt Savior would open up against Bisu with a 5 hatch... if he did, he deserves the loss | ||
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United States8519 Posts
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DJEtterStyle
United States2766 Posts
Knowledge relentless, belongs in a hearse. Free? Freely? Freedom? A freedom from what? There's no doubt that Savior put it in your butt. | ||
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United States37500 Posts
I voted sAviOr btw. | ||
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AcquiescE
Australia76 Posts
uh' bisu will be raped and savior may even crack a smile | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
Last game was great + Show Spoiler + where savior just toys around with mutas. Free would do better if he get storms instead of archons. | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On October 26 2007 03:18 anch wrote: watching this is so rofl, Free sucks compare to Bisu, rA, and Stork. Last game was great + Show Spoiler + where savior just toys around with mutas. Free would do better if he get storms instead of archons. Wrong. It's better to get archons against mutalisks instead of storm. Free just never could get a sizable group of corsairs since he kept losing them one at a time. | ||
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Sadness
Brazil552 Posts
You just can´t compare them | ||
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NonY
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On October 26 2007 02:38 AcquiescE wrote: bisu is not savior. Bisu was a reaction to saviors dominance. Yes, the reaction was strong and emphatic....but now that savior knows whats to expect... uh' bisu will be raped and savior may even crack a smile Bisu's win rate vs savior is close to 90% and it'd be ridiculous to expect him to maintain that, but it's even harder to imagine that savior could tip it to his side anytime soon. i think bisu will have a 70%+ chance of winning a bo5 against savior if he has to face him in this MSL. and bisu will always maintain a winning record against savior, similar to iloveoov vs nada and nal_ra vs boxer. anyway, bisu is well on his way to his own dominance. if he wins this MSL and wins an OSL, along with some key victories over S-class terrans, he'll have proven himself in every way possible. then it'll just be a matter of how long he can keep it up | ||
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
In game 2 Free stopped scouting after the first probe died. Bisu never stops scouting. In GomTV1 Finals Bisu was always aware of savior's moves. I'm not sayin Savior hasn't evolved. Instead of trying to going head to head and using the same openings he's mixed it up every game. All 4 games he's used a different unit mix, a different theme. Hydra rush, 3 hatch zerglings rush, dbl expo, and mass expo to mass muta style, one we haven't seen in a while. Unfortunately these are strategies that have a limit. They don't work all the time, and now that Savior's used it on Free he'll have to come up with something different if he wants to take down Bisu. | ||
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amorpheus
Bulgaria2144 Posts
[B]On October 26 2007 03:51 WhatisProtoss wrote:It's better to get archons against mutalisks instead of storm. Free just never could get a sizable group of corsairs since he kept losing them one at a time. It was at least kind of strange that Free didn't cast a single storm in the last game. With that many mutalisks from Savior, not to mention the guardians it could've been better than the scattered archons that died as easily as the few corsairs. Maybe just Savior is regaining form and Free's pvz sucks hard (the second statement is more probable) ... | ||
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Korea (South)5757 Posts
On October 26 2007 05:54 amorpheus wrote: It was at least kind of strange that Free didn't cast a single storm in the last game. With that many mutalisks from Savior, not to mention the guardians it could've been better than the scattered archons that died as easily as the few corsairs. Maybe just Savior is regaining form and Free's pvz sucks hard (the second statement is more probable) ... I don't think Savior is out of his slump. Free's pvz is just sloppy. I really like Free's agressive play style in other mu's though. His PvP is just as good as the current Stork's. | ||
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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amorpheus
Bulgaria2144 Posts
[B]On October 26 2007 05:58 EpiK wrote: I don't think Savior is out of his slump. Free's pvz is just sloppy. I really like Free's agressive play style in other mu's though. His PvP is just as good as the current Stork's. Well Savior still is very strong player and will probably make it to the final; pure logic says Bisu will smash everyone in the way to third consecutive MSL Neither any of the two terrans can stop Savior or ra or xellos can stop bisu but still it's a game and everything happens. P.S. I would gladly watch Kwanro vs Savior at the final, haven't seen much of Savior's zvz lately ... | ||
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
United States2869 Posts
On October 25 2007 20:02 DJEtterStyle wrote: TRY THIS AGAINST BISU, SAVIOR. I DARE YOU. This game is just more proof sAviOr can do WHATEVER THE FUCK HE WANTS and still win. Just like the good ol' days. (game 4) | ||
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
United States2869 Posts
On October 26 2007 04:21 Sadness wrote: Free is a good player, but Bisu and Stork are soooooooo in another level You just can´t compare them Actually, we have the wonderful TLPD to compair them with, and oh look, Free's PvP is better then storks, and almost as good as bisu's. Free 57.14% PvZ Bisu 67.57% PvZ Stork 50% PvZ Looks like Stork isn't really out of free's league, eh? and like 10 of free's losses are to savior. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
Furthermore, I could argue Stork's weakness against Zerg is somewhat forgivable (especially compared to Free's inconsistency against terrans) given that most zergs not named Savior (and July... but July has been hit or miss lately) suck at the matchup. If Free can't beat Savior either, he's not in much better shape than Stork is. | ||
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decafchicken
United States20010 Posts
On October 26 2007 05:58 EpiK wrote: I don't think Savior is out of his slump. Free's pvz is just sloppy. I really like Free's agressive play style in other mu's though. His PvP is just as good as the current Stork's. Free has extremely good pvz. Excluding savior, he is 23-10. Bisu is 22-12 in comparison. Doesnt matter, savior will win both starleagues regardless. | ||
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Nyovne
Netherlands19133 Posts
On October 26 2007 07:39 decafchicken wrote: Free has extremely good pvz. Excluding savior, he is 23-10. Bisu is 22-12 in comparison. Doesnt matter, savior will win both starleagues regardless. Preach on brother, preach on. | ||
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NonY
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On October 26 2007 07:39 decafchicken wrote: Free has extremely good pvz. Excluding savior, he is 23-10. Bisu is 22-12 in comparison. Doesnt matter, savior will win both starleagues regardless. why would you exclude savior? he's the most important opponent. free is a top A-class PvZ player and it takes an S-Class zerg like savior to show his weaknesses in PvZ. sloppy is a good description the only comparison to make between Bisu and Free is that they get similarly good results against A-class and worse opponents, but Bisu continues with those results against S-Class whereas Free does not. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On October 26 2007 08:01 NonY[rC] wrote: why would you exclude savior? he's the most important opponent. free is a top A-class PvZ player and it takes an S-Class zerg like savior to show his weaknesses in PvZ. sloppy is a good description the only comparison to make between Bisu and Free is that they get similarly good results against A-class and worse opponents, but Bisu continues with those results against S-Class whereas Free does not. Well it could also just be that Bisu's pvz style works better vs savior than Free's does... | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
That just shows how good Savior is lol | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On October 26 2007 03:51 WhatisProtoss wrote: Wrong. It's better to get archons against mutalisks instead of storm. Free just never could get a sizable group of corsairs since he kept losing them one at a time. If you watched game 4, you'd know that it was way better for Free to get storm than archons. When there's like 30 mutas, they can easily kill mineral line cannons and 1 or 2 archons with proper spreading. Your archons get run around the map too much, because you have to keep 3+ archons together or they will die too fast separately to so many mutas. You can protect your expos much better with one or two templars with cannons. On October 26 2007 04:37 Monsen wrote: Well to me game 4 was like game 3 with the necessary adjustments. In game 3 Savior stayed at 3 bases very long, waiting for the push that only came after Free had 3 bases of his own. This multi-teching from 2 bases that this protoss style includes does very little pressure before that (in the hands of Free at least). While Bisu makes up for that with tough Corsair/Dt (or pure Corsair speed Zeals) harass, I already felt in game 3 that you could take 1 or 2 extra expansions against Free in that time. Game 4 and game 3 are highly different, and it wasn't just a decision by Savior to take more bases. In game 3 he thought Free was going Reaver-Sair but free fooled him. Loki allows for an easily defended 3rd gas by Protoss and nice, tight clumped areas to attack. It's just a good PvZ map. Zodiac, on the other hand, has wide open spaces and it's much much easier to mass expo there. | ||
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Hot_Bid
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On October 26 2007 08:21 OneOther wrote: Well it could also just be that Bisu's pvz style works better vs savior than Free's does... Bisu is the only Protoss capable of doing his style. Honestly, I don't think Bisu can be "stylistically" countered. If he's going to be beaten, he'll be beaten by someone who simply plays better or is better, not someone with simply a different style. Bisu is not a product of his build, he's just really, really good. The reason some Zergs can beat him and some can't isn't because of style--Bisu is just better. He creates situations where his superior multitask slowly wears them down. A few seconds here, a few there, and they steadily lose ground (see the most recent OSL game against GGPlay). A lot of people here seem to think July or some aggressive Zerg can "solve" Bisu, but I really doubt it, not in a Bo5. Bisu will adjust defense according to what his probes see, it's not simply a matter of the Zerg's decision to attack. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
On October 26 2007 08:40 bine wrote: Sounds like what people said about Savior pre-Bisu, though, right? Anything can happen; even if someone looks unbeatable in a matchup, something can always change that. And what people said about Savior then was correct. Savior wasn't stylistically countered. He was outplayed. Its not like Bisu's build sucks ass if you anticipate it. This is proven by Savior not able to beat him even when switching styles in subsequent matches. The same applies for Bisu. There is no easy way to beat a player of his caliber, else everyone would be doing it. To beat him in a Bo5 series, you have to play better than him. There is no other way. | ||
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bine
United States2352 Posts
Personally, I don't think the reason Bisu owns Savior so much is that he's a better multitasker or anything like that. I think he won that first series because he found a weakness in Savior's play (stylistic or otherwise) and exploited it (in Chess you call it out-preparing your opponent), and the ensuing shock and psychological shit has enabled him to keep an edge on Savior. I think Bisu is the best PvZ, I think he's super good blah blah, but I don't think he's like another level above Savior in terms of skill in general. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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Canada12499 Posts
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Korea (South)1448 Posts
[Savior vs. Free] - GomTV3 MSL Ro8 2007-10-25 (Thursday), 18:30 Game 1 - < Python > + Show Spoiler + Game 2 - < Blue Storm > + Show Spoiler + Game 3 - < Loki II > + Show Spoiler + Game 4 - < Zodiac > + Show Spoiler + Game 5 - < Python > + Show Spoiler + nope | ||
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
[edit]Because I don't want to create any harsh arguments I just want to say that one of the reasons I like Savior over Bisu is because personally I just like to watch Zergs more than Protoss. Plus when I first started getting into the proscene sAviOr was the dominant one. So add my love for zerg and sAviOr being the best and it becomes obvious why I hope he smashes Bisu in the finals. | ||
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
On October 26 2007 11:13 boghat wrote: I'm so sick of Bisu, if sAviOr beats Bisu in this MSL final my StarCraft fandom will be complete. [edit]Because I don't want to create any harsh arguments I just want to say that one of the reasons I like Savior over Bisu is because personally I just like to watch Zergs more than Protoss. Plus when I first started getting into the proscene sAviOr was the dominant one. So add my love for zerg and sAviOr being the best and it becomes obvious why I hope he smashes Bisu in the finals. What an excellent reason to hate on Bisu! | ||
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
On October 26 2007 11:42 Liquid_Turbo wrote: What an excellent reason to hate on Bisu! I don't hate him, I just like Savior more that's all. And when I say I'm sick of him I just mean I wish Savior was #1 again. I like Bisu as a Protoss though, I have nothing against him, he's obviously unbelievably good. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On October 26 2007 11:42 Liquid_Turbo wrote: I think it is. That's how being a fan works.What an excellent reason to hate on Bisu! | ||
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tKd_
United States2916 Posts
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tiffany
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On October 26 2007 13:30 Mortality wrote: HAHAHA, called it EXACTLY! nicely done, props. | ||
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United States813 Posts
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On October 26 2007 13:40 teamsolid wrote: Poor Free... he deserves to make it to Ro4 at least once, unlike Mind/Mania. Oh well, good luck to him next season. Why doesnt Mind/Mania deserve to make it to the Ro4? Oh course they deserve it. They won their games. | ||
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Desade
Germany50 Posts
After all I'm sure noone can prevent these two from meeting in the finals and if Loki will be played twice I'm betting on Bisu. | ||
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United States813 Posts
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Desade
Germany50 Posts
Actually blue strom is p>z too, i think. | ||
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yunicyarblejellythou
United States77 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Game Over Everyone. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On October 26 2007 17:19 ahole-surprise wrote: Wouldn't Savior just thumbs down Loki? I thought thumbs down only meant that they wouldn't play that map twice? | ||
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NonY
8748 Posts
On October 27 2007 05:29 Hot_Bid wrote: I thought thumbs down only meant that they wouldn't play that map twice? Yes, that's right. But he wasn't implying anything different, just responding to the post before him: On October 26 2007 17:16 Desade wrote: After all I'm sure noone can prevent these two from meeting in the finals and if Loki will be played twice I'm betting on Bisu. But interestingly, both Bisu and Savior thumbed down Zodiac for their Ro8 matches. It'd be funny if they both expect the other to thumb down Zodiac again, so they thumb down their 2nd worst, and then Zodiac gets picked for the 1st and 5th. PS: I don't know if it's been mentioned, but Free thumbed down Loki II. I would've expected him to thumb down Python before Loki II for sure. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
Honestly, 5Base Zerg, 6 hatching, etc that crap will just dash itself to pieces on Bisu. | ||
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IaniAniaN
Canada555 Posts
Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On October 27 2007 06:48 Jyvblamo wrote: Ah, finally got around to watching these games and I'd just like to add that when comparing Free's PvZ to Bisu's, it's really amazing how vastly different their skill levels are, even though many people rank Free was the no.2 PvZ player. Honestly, 5Base Zerg, 6 hatching, etc that crap will just dash itself to pieces on Bisu. The map was good for that strat.... I don't think Bisu would have had it easy. | ||
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France15446 Posts
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United States1974 Posts
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Blind
United States2528 Posts
On October 29 2007 07:53 Scorpion wrote: Bisu?I had hope for Free. No other Protoss has been able to just downright own the crap out of sAviOr. StOrk, Free, and Nal_Ra should have saint[z-zone] as their practice partner too :/ | ||
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