EPTOn September 08 2022 22:38 namkraft wrote:
Tks for your enlightening comments. Although I believe anybody can a caster. Maybe your comment implies being a *professional* caster, one who is hired by the tournament organizers.
- Making a zealot doesn't slow the timing of the corsairs, that's if you go for normal gas timing. If you go for a bit faster gas timing (something I think may be experimented upon), it may carry some impact. But no, I have no first-hand experience on that, maybe you will prove me wrong. You have a better understanding of the game. On the other hand, making a dragoon does slow down your corsair.
- Scouting: I didn't say it's disadvantage to the zerg player. I mean it's not that big of an advantage. 1/3 > 0, true, but like I said if you didn't build your first pylon near the middle entrance, you make that small advantage go even smaller.
- Building a pylon at the front: I don't mean never build anything there EVER, I just mean don't build it that early.
* U don't need a pylon to watch the hp of the temple. Just send a probe there once in a while (not permanently cuz that triggers the overlord scouts). Plus, if the guy goes for lurker rush, you have 3 entrances to protect (like u said). Furthermore, only 1 base-lurker rush would pose the threat of which u speak. Again I don't know the exact timings but if the zerg doesn't know where you are located (without the forward pylon), he may be destroying the wrong artifacts and you will have more time).
- Robo: it doesn't seem to hold any significance because Mini didn't protect his canons. If his first 2 cannons came alive without issues, he would hold against the initial hydra push, then he will have a chance to bounce back with an earlier reaver. Plus without the cancellation he would have money to build a 4th cannon.
- Making cannons near your main. Yeah it's not a pretty sight, but the chance of coming back is not 0. It depends on how much the zerg has invested to put you in that situation in the first place. Under some circumstances it may be doable with cannons + reavers. And I'm not talking only about 1-base cannoning. There is a scenario whereby you go for 14 nexus then cannon up. Again, not a pretty sight with hydras separating your 2 bases, but I can't say that it's an auto-lose.
All in all, the actual stats tell us that it's possible for protoss to win on this map. And we have so few televised matches that I don't want to come to your conclusion. Maybe your wonderful insights will help you see the picture so clearly. That's fine for me. The future games on this map will test our conclusions.
Tks for your enlightening comments. Although I believe anybody can a caster. Maybe your comment implies being a *professional* caster, one who is hired by the tournament organizers.
- Making a zealot doesn't slow the timing of the corsairs, that's if you go for normal gas timing. If you go for a bit faster gas timing (something I think may be experimented upon), it may carry some impact. But no, I have no first-hand experience on that, maybe you will prove me wrong. You have a better understanding of the game. On the other hand, making a dragoon does slow down your corsair.
- Scouting: I didn't say it's disadvantage to the zerg player. I mean it's not that big of an advantage. 1/3 > 0, true, but like I said if you didn't build your first pylon near the middle entrance, you make that small advantage go even smaller.
- Building a pylon at the front: I don't mean never build anything there EVER, I just mean don't build it that early.
* U don't need a pylon to watch the hp of the temple. Just send a probe there once in a while (not permanently cuz that triggers the overlord scouts). Plus, if the guy goes for lurker rush, you have 3 entrances to protect (like u said). Furthermore, only 1 base-lurker rush would pose the threat of which u speak. Again I don't know the exact timings but if the zerg doesn't know where you are located (without the forward pylon), he may be destroying the wrong artifacts and you will have more time).
- Robo: it doesn't seem to hold any significance because Mini didn't protect his canons. If his first 2 cannons came alive without issues, he would hold against the initial hydra push, then he will have a chance to bounce back with an earlier reaver. Plus without the cancellation he would have money to build a 4th cannon.
- Making cannons near your main. Yeah it's not a pretty sight, but the chance of coming back is not 0. It depends on how much the zerg has invested to put you in that situation in the first place. Under some circumstances it may be doable with cannons + reavers. And I'm not talking only about 1-base cannoning. There is a scenario whereby you go for 14 nexus then cannon up. Again, not a pretty sight with hydras separating your 2 bases, but I can't say that it's an auto-lose.
All in all, the actual stats tell us that it's possible for protoss to win on this map. And we have so few televised matches that I don't want to come to your conclusion. Maybe your wonderful insights will help you see the picture so clearly. That's fine for me. The future games on this map will test our conclusions.
If protoss goes for fast gas core stargate while skipping zealot, zerg can just build evo, couple of colonies and million drones. And no, there is no way to prevent this kind of scout in araknoid. If its crossmap, protoss has sacked early economy and maybe killed additional overlord. Problem in this kind of maps is, that toss has no way to pressure zerg early, when instead zerg can just go for eco and then pull out knifesharp timing that is impossible to stop. And moreover, if you build +5 cannon around your main, its still a loss, zerg again drones, toss wont have minerals for zealots if not outhright dying to mass hydra because ammount of canons needed to cover all areas is just... Also, rushing to sairs is not going to help blocking zergs timing. And finally, that build that Zero and Hero used is not an all-in, since zerg can take offplaced hatches just fine and mine second and third base with 7 and 3 drones.
Basicly protoss needs to get crossmap if zerg goes for the timing, if they want have somehow even game. At least in top level.
