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angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
327 Posts
September 07 2022 12:39 GMT
#41
How is this map not broken for zvp. It's not even a 50/50 strat -- zerg can just go 3 hatch hydra, attack both sets of temples, and then travel through the region that toss hasn't cannoned.
whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
September 07 2022 12:42 GMT
#42
lmao? herO even admits the build is a 100% win vs protoss on that map..
oEkY
Profile Joined August 2016
Germany649 Posts
September 07 2022 12:42 GMT
#43
As a TvT fan my dream scenario would be

Light vs Rush / Royal vs Shine on one side of the bracket
Bisu vs Soulkey / Snow vs Hero on the other side
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3073 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-07 12:47:06
September 07 2022 12:46 GMT
#44
Action is such a noble Zerg. He opted for macro play on Arkanoid lol.

I genuinely see no way for Protoss to deal with hydra bust on this map. Blindly put cannons at all 3 entrances to survive the early game, so that you have no econ, no tech and no army and will lose the late game?
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5188 Posts
September 07 2022 12:48 GMT
#45
Do you ever even want to open Stargate on that map? You get to scout that you will auto lose against any aggressive opener lmao
Mini not vetoing it and opening Stargate just means he never deserved to be this season's champ imo.

Not the players I initially wanted to advance, but happy the result is like this. And we didn't have to watch ZvZ ^^
FBH #1!
Zariel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1285 Posts
September 07 2022 12:51 GMT
#46
Can someone enlighten me on how protoss can beat zerg on neo arkanoid when zerg goes 2-3 hatch hydra/ling?

- P has no way of probe scouting outside his base
- If P goes stargate to scout, he sacrifices ground army
- P cannot expand effectively due to the 4x chrysalis blocking nat

The only build i can think that has a slither of chance in defending is blind 3gate or blind reaver.
sup
whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
September 07 2022 12:51 GMT
#47
On September 07 2022 21:42 oEkY wrote:
As a TvT fan my dream scenario would be

Light vs Rush / Royal vs Shine on one side of the bracket
Bisu vs Soulkey / Snow vs Hero on the other side


lol? you got every match up right, although not on the right side of the bracket. 2spooky
Ikirouta
Profile Blog Joined November 2017
Finland736 Posts
September 07 2022 12:52 GMT
#48
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Pusan fan #1, bad sair/reaver enthuisiast. twitch.tv/ikirouta
FunkyDragoon
Profile Joined January 2022
44 Posts
September 07 2022 12:59 GMT
#49
Isn't fast stargate into Reaver supposed to be the counter to such busts on Arkanoid?
Similar to what he did against Action earlier. Just maybe off of 1 base.
If he scouts early enough that it's an all-in, you probably need a few cannons and one well-positioned Reaver to hold easily.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3073 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-07 13:10:29
September 07 2022 13:09 GMT
#50
On September 07 2022 21:59 FunkyDragoon wrote:
Isn't fast stargate into Reaver supposed to be the counter to such busts on Arkanoid?
Similar to what he did against Action earlier. Just maybe off of 1 base.
If he scouts early enough that it's an all-in, you probably need a few cannons and one well-positioned Reaver to hold easily.

Lmao don't you see that Mini's opening is fastest corsair possible and by the time the sair gets to see Zerg's main (first scout also) the hydra/ling are already knocking on his door?

He couldn't even get cannons up in time at the main entrance (hence the makeshift shield battery), do you think he can get a reaver out fast enough?

And even if he somehow gets the cannons/reaver out in time, Zerg will be just like "oh I'm gonna use the other entrance then"
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 07 2022 13:13 GMT
#51
Snow's reward of topping a group of 3 killer Zergs is a QF match with another Zerg. Tough luck.
gg no re thx
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13293 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-07 13:21:26
September 07 2022 13:18 GMT
#52
Yeah unless you go reaver before stargate tech (which means the z auto wins if muta) that’s a super hard build for tosses to beat. I reckon Mini stuffed up a little by letting the lings kill two of his main cannons so easily. I reckon he could’ve held there if his probe defence was better.

Still, arkanoid is not making for very good games. There’s a reason these maps should be left in the past.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
FunkyDragoon
Profile Joined January 2022
44 Posts
September 07 2022 13:20 GMT
#53
On September 07 2022 22:09 TMNT wrote:
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On September 07 2022 21:59 FunkyDragoon wrote:
Isn't fast stargate into Reaver supposed to be the counter to such busts on Arkanoid?
Similar to what he did against Action earlier. Just maybe off of 1 base.
If he scouts early enough that it's an all-in, you probably need a few cannons and one well-positioned Reaver to hold easily.

Lmao don't you see that Mini's opening is fastest corsair possible and by the time the sair gets to see Zerg's main (first scout also) the hydra/ling are already knocking on his door?

He couldn't even get cannons up in time at the main entrance (hence the makeshift shield battery), do you think he can get a reaver out fast enough?

And even if he somehow gets the cannons/reaver out in time, Zerg will be just like "oh I'm gonna use the other entrance then"


Calm down bro. I was just asking
Save your internet anger for something meaningful
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
September 07 2022 13:22 GMT
#54
On September 07 2022 22:18 RowdierBob wrote:
Yeah unless you go reaver before stargate tech that’s a super hard build for tosses to beat. I reckon Mini stuffed up a little by letting the lings kill two of his main cannons so easily. I reckon he could’ve held there if his probe defence was better.

Still, arkanoid is not making for very good games. There’s a reason these maps should be left in the past.


Well the they were saying that Zerg needs to win this season so...

it's not just a music it's something else
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3073 Posts
September 07 2022 13:24 GMT
#55
On September 07 2022 22:20 FunkyDragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2022 22:09 TMNT wrote:
On September 07 2022 21:59 FunkyDragoon wrote:
Isn't fast stargate into Reaver supposed to be the counter to such busts on Arkanoid?
Similar to what he did against Action earlier. Just maybe off of 1 base.
If he scouts early enough that it's an all-in, you probably need a few cannons and one well-positioned Reaver to hold easily.

Lmao don't you see that Mini's opening is fastest corsair possible and by the time the sair gets to see Zerg's main (first scout also) the hydra/ling are already knocking on his door?

He couldn't even get cannons up in time at the main entrance (hence the makeshift shield battery), do you think he can get a reaver out fast enough?

And even if he somehow gets the cannons/reaver out in time, Zerg will be just like "oh I'm gonna use the other entrance then"


Calm down bro. I was just asking
Save your internet anger for something meaningful

I'm just laughing at how ridiculous the map is, not being angry or offensive with you or anyone. Maybe you misinterpret the lmao but it's okay.
FunkyDragoon
Profile Joined January 2022
44 Posts
September 07 2022 13:26 GMT
#56
You're right, I forgot that starting the sentence with "Lmao don't you see" is a standard and friendly way of talking to people online. I stand corrected
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3073 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-09-07 13:50:27
September 07 2022 13:50 GMT
#57
On September 07 2022 22:18 RowdierBob wrote:
I reckon Mini stuffed up a little by letting the lings kill two of his main cannons so easily. I reckon he could’ve held there if his probe defence was better.

He knew the game was already over at that point and judging by his body language he pretty much left both hands off the keyboard at that point. The defend after that was just him slowly processing his gg timing.

I don't know what's more shocking: Snow and Mini on 3 occasions chose to ban Allegro instead of Arkanoid, or Action decided to play macro when granted the chance for an auto win.


Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia422 Posts
September 07 2022 14:31 GMT
#58
On September 07 2022 21:48 Peeano wrote:
Do you ever even want to open Stargate on that map? You get to scout that you will auto lose against any aggressive opener lmao
Mini not vetoing it and opening Stargate just means he never deserved to be this season's champ imo.

Not the players I initially wanted to advance, but happy the result is like this. And we didn't have to watch ZvZ ^^


If you don't open stargate, you are dead against one base muta.
j.r.r.
Rainalcar
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia422 Posts
September 07 2022 14:34 GMT
#59
I love unorthodox maps. I support them all the way. But Arkanoid in its current state is too imbalanced against P and should be left out.
j.r.r.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19299 Posts
September 07 2022 15:03 GMT
#60
Awesome. This group went just as expected
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