Guys, I heard that there have been some kind of `continent battles` between some of you. I didn't have enough time to follow it and I will not get into that now, but let's take a step back and be grateful for a second that we have such a big event in 2021, with a possibility to extend it for 2022 (!!). Looking from the TOP players perspective it's very important that there are enough tournaments with a big enough prize pool, that they can consider dedicating more time into improving their skills in StarCraft. That's what a tournament like RCG does the best and that's the main reason it's so important. Noone is perfect, but let's put our hard feelings aside and all appreciate this great event!
I think the donations should be capped to correlate with the applicable spots for each continent. So essentially only 1/8th of the $10,000 can be contributed from the North and South Americas. And then the rest will have to pull their weight.
In fact, why can't that be the new format going forward? Each continent/country buys how many spots they get to compete for in the next tournament.
Please let's not continue this nonsense discussion over here guys, I am aware of the disagreement on this topic. I get the arguments from both sides and I understand some of them.
I will not get into this topic, but I will say something to you from my perspective on how preparing tournament work: I plan every season of BSL monthss ahead, everything needs to be prepared before the announcement of the season. When I do "announcement event" and after the games I present to you when next season starts and how it's going to look like, I have everything ready: - TL.net guys are waiting to post the article with all the info: format, intro, rules, qualifications methods, groups format, maps, how to sign up etc. The work starts way earlier than you think, that's the time when I decide how I want the graphics to look like, how many scenes I need to prepare, what exact format should be implemented in the bracket assets, how every single graphics should look like in the smallest detail etc. I will not mention re-scheduling players (that's the moment where I get most of the feedback). When this stage happens, no changes are possible in the whole tournament. (Some ideas of the players are really good, and I will take them into consideration for future, it's just TOO LATE to implement them this season).
That's why, not jumping into who is right, let's assume that we are all dumb-nolargerview-asses.
I will open a new topic, when my health will get better and I will have time to plan BSL13 in details, then we will talk about my thoughts and arguments in this area. But from now on, please, can we all be in one "SC:R is the best game" team, not "there are 50 of us, let's divide this small chunk of people even more" team ?
I apologize, I wasn't trying to incite a debate of any sort. When I first read all of the whining my first instinct was to just point out that it's Rus Brain's tournament and money and he can do whatever he pleases but then remembering that half of the prize pool is provided by the community would prove that point unfair and disrespectful. My thought was instead of whining, people can put their money where their mouth is and institute some control via finances. By allowing countries to 'buy' their potential slots it would also provide accountability and commitment.
On June 24 2021 01:08 Ikirouta wrote: Its still amusing to me that salty NA people are trying to control a thing that they have 0 business controlling.
Host your own tourneys for NA people only and make a bigger prizepool if you are a salty about RCG.
Rus_brain can do whatever he wants with his tourney, just be grateful that he is hosting a tourney at all.
They do host tours only for NA.. Only way they can actually win..
Starting time question: in the post the text says 16:30 CET. Currently we use CEST (the remaining time in the post is set to 1630CEST), so what would be the starting time exactly? On liquipedia page and in tl.net calendar it says 15 CEST btw. Thanks for the answer in advance!
On June 23 2021 23:38 Q~Bert wrote: I think the donations should be capped to correlate with the applicable spots for each continent. So essentially only 1/8th of the $10,000 can be contributed from the North and South Americas. And then the rest will have to pull their weight.
In fact, why can't that be the new format going forward? Each continent/country buys how many spots they get to compete for in the next tournament.
This argument would have made sense if the actual potential qualifying spots for the Americas wasn't 10 in reality. You got 2 spots from the Americas qualifier, 6 potential spots from the top 3 of the past two BSL's which are open to everyone outside Korea, 1 spot from the World qualifier and 1 spot for the previous champion. This is more than the 1/8 you've stated above and it's also evident by the fact that a total of 6 players from the Americas qualified to the ro16 this year. All of this is well documented on liquipedia, from where I stand this is more than enough for any player to showcase their skill in case they can successfully compete with the best.
On June 23 2021 23:38 Q~Bert wrote: I think the donations should be capped to correlate with the applicable spots for each continent. So essentially only 1/8th of the $10,000 can be contributed from the North and South Americas. And then the rest will have to pull their weight.
In fact, why can't that be the new format going forward? Each continent/country buys how many spots they get to compete for in the next tournament.
This argument would have made sense if the actual potential qualifying spots for the Americas wasn't 10 in reality. You got 2 spots from the Americas qualifier, 6 potential spots from the top 3 of the past two BSL's which are open to everyone outside Korea, 1 spot from the World qualifier and 1 spot for the previous champion. This is more than the 1/8 you've stated above and it's also evident by the fact that a total of 6 players from the Americas qualified to the ro16 this year. All of this is well documented on liquipedia, from where I stand this is more than enough for any player to showcase their skill in case they can successfully compete with the best.
All of those routes (BSL, former champion, etc.) are available to every other country as well so it's irrelevant. In the end the Americas still receive only two additional potential spots. Thus, 1/8th.
Regardless, that part of my message was actually more of a joke but it spawned an actual idea that I feel is potentially justifiable being we buy our potential slots for the next tournament.
On June 23 2021 23:38 Q~Bert wrote: I think the donations should be capped to correlate with the applicable spots for each continent. So essentially only 1/8th of the $10,000 can be contributed from the North and South Americas. And then the rest will have to pull their weight.
In fact, why can't that be the new format going forward? Each continent/country buys how many spots they get to compete for in the next tournament.
This argument would have made sense if the actual potential qualifying spots for the Americas wasn't 10 in reality. You got 2 spots from the Americas qualifier, 6 potential spots from the top 3 of the past two BSL's which are open to everyone outside Korea, 1 spot from the World qualifier and 1 spot for the previous champion. This is more than the 1/8 you've stated above and it's also evident by the fact that a total of 6 players from the Americas qualified to the ro16 this year. All of this is well documented on liquipedia, from where I stand this is more than enough for any player to showcase their skill in case they can successfully compete with the best.
All of those routes (BSL, former champion, etc.) are available to every other country as well so it's irrelevant. In the end the Americas still receive only two additional potential spots. Thus, 1/8th.
Regardless, that part of my message was actually more of a joke but it spawned an actual idea that I feel is potentially justifiable being we buy our potential slots for the next tournament.
You'd be suprised how expensive 1 slot might be. We're not talking just % points of the prize pool, there are costs for housing, air travel, the venue etc etc. It's also poor sportmanship kind of? Imagine europeans outbid you massively and it's 1/8 th again, how would that feel. I can't help myself, that does not seem a healthy route for the tournament to develop into. If brain would share that idea, it's 5/8th FSU only by his money alone.
My point is: as spiritual sucessor of WCG RCG aims to bring the best [non korean] players, not those with the best paying fanbase.
Edit: your math is wrong. The quote for the americas is actually 2/8th of all regional bound spots. The others are open to everybody and shouldn't be counted for or against the quota of any region.
On June 29 2021 23:31 Q~Bert wrote: Regardless, that part of my message was actually more of a joke but it spawned an actual idea that I feel is potentially justifiable being we buy our potential slots for the next tournament.
On June 23 2021 23:38 Q~Bert wrote: I think the donations should be capped to correlate with the applicable spots for each continent. So essentially only 1/8th of the $10,000 can be contributed from the North and South Americas. And then the rest will have to pull their weight.
In fact, why can't that be the new format going forward? Each continent/country buys how many spots they get to compete for in the next tournament.
This argument would have made sense if the actual potential qualifying spots for the Americas wasn't 10 in reality. You got 2 spots from the Americas qualifier, 6 potential spots from the top 3 of the past two BSL's which are open to everyone outside Korea, 1 spot from the World qualifier and 1 spot for the previous champion. This is more than the 1/8 you've stated above and it's also evident by the fact that a total of 6 players from the Americas qualified to the ro16 this year. All of this is well documented on liquipedia, from where I stand this is more than enough for any player to showcase their skill in case they can successfully compete with the best.
All of those routes (BSL, former champion, etc.) are available to every other country as well so it's irrelevant. In the end the Americas still receive only two additional potential spots. Thus, 1/8th.
Regardless, that part of my message was actually more of a joke but it spawned an actual idea that I feel is potentially justifiable being we buy our potential slots for the next tournament.
You'd be suprised how expensive 1 slot might be. We're not talking just % points of the prize pool, there are costs for housing, air travel, the venue etc etc. It's also poor sportmanship kind of? Imagine europeans outbid you massively and it's 1/8 th again, how would that feel. I can't help myself, that does not seem a healthy route for the tournament to develop into. If brain would share that idea, it's 5/8th FSU only by his money alone.
My point is: as spiritual sucessor of WCG RCG aims to bring the best [non korean] players, not those with the best paying fanbase.
Edit: your math is wrong. The quote for the americas is actually 2/8th of all regional bound spots. The others are open to everybody and shouldn't be counted for or against the quota of any region.
Very silly of you to bring up costs of travel, housing when those are all provided separately by Rus regardless of who qualifies..
If the Euros outbid and it's 1/8th again then we are no better and no worse than we are now - what is your point? Any money that is raised to buy a spot would be added to whatever prizepool already is provided by Rus, obviously Rus would not be eligible to buy spots (that is exactly what the format is now - his money and his decision, hence the Americas only get 2 spots). But since he is obviously keen on incorporating Russian pride into this event (and that is completely understandable) he can reserve a number of spots for his comrades at no cost to them. We fight for the rest.
On June 23 2021 23:38 Q~Bert wrote: I think the donations should be capped to correlate with the applicable spots for each continent. So essentially only 1/8th of the $10,000 can be contributed from the North and South Americas. And then the rest will have to pull their weight.
In fact, why can't that be the new format going forward? Each continent/country buys how many spots they get to compete for in the next tournament.
This argument would have made sense if the actual potential qualifying spots for the Americas wasn't 10 in reality. You got 2 spots from the Americas qualifier, 6 potential spots from the top 3 of the past two BSL's which are open to everyone outside Korea, 1 spot from the World qualifier and 1 spot for the previous champion. This is more than the 1/8 you've stated above and it's also evident by the fact that a total of 6 players from the Americas qualified to the ro16 this year. All of this is well documented on liquipedia, from where I stand this is more than enough for any player to showcase their skill in case they can successfully compete with the best.
All of those routes (BSL, former champion, etc.) are available to every other country as well so it's irrelevant. In the end the Americas still receive only two additional potential spots. Thus, 1/8th.
Regardless, that part of my message was actually more of a joke but it spawned an actual idea that I feel is potentially justifiable being we buy our potential slots for the next tournament.
You'd be suprised how expensive 1 slot might be. We're not talking just % points of the prize pool, there are costs for housing, air travel, the venue etc etc. It's also poor sportmanship kind of? Imagine europeans outbid you massively and it's 1/8 th again, how would that feel. I can't help myself, that does not seem a healthy route for the tournament to develop into. If brain would share that idea, it's 5/8th FSU only by his money alone.
My point is: as spiritual sucessor of WCG RCG aims to bring the best [non korean] players, not those with the best paying fanbase.
Edit: your math is wrong. The quote for the americas is actually 2/8th of all regional bound spots. The others are open to everybody and shouldn't be counted for or against the quota of any region.
Very silly of you to bring up costs of travel, housing when those are all provided separately by Rus regardless of who qualifies..
If the Euros outbid and it's 1/8th again then we are no better and no worse than we are now - what is your point? Any money that is raised to buy a spot would be added to whatever prizepool already is provided by Rus, obviously Rus would not be eligible to buy spots (that is exactly what the format is now - his money and his decision, hence the Americas only get 2 spots). But since he is obviously keen on incorporating Russian pride into this event (and that is completely understandable) he can reserve a number of spots for his comrades at no cost to them. We fight for the rest.
First let me make clear im just writing from my perosnal POV, im not a Esport.fund commitee guy or anything.
I don't think it's a silly argument at all. in the given framework, Brain is hosting this tournament on the framework he choses with the quota's he and the commitee decide upon. He is kindly asking us for donations to support an awesome event.
Further related costs (travel costs, visa etc) are higher for US or EU players then for FSU players. Now if your aim truly is to by a slot for a player, sure okay you guys can ask Brain if he is interested in that but i imagine in that case it would be fair if you cover the costs of the whole thing. Donating to a good cause doesn't entitle anybody to spots allotted, that's nonsense i'm sorry.
If the Euros outbid and it's 1/8th again then we are no better and no worse than we are now - what is your point?
My point is, your suggestion is not helpful to the integrity of the tournament. RCG aims to field the best players, not the ones with the best financial backup. I don't think any of us would enjoy it as much as we did if it boils down to each region basically "buying" slots for their favoriate players, that's not something i'd be into, i think we can agree on that?
But since he is obviously keen on incorporating Russian pride into this event (and that is completely understandable) he can reserve a number of spots for his comrades at no cost to them. We fight for the rest.
Brain has made numerous attempts since 2019 and now to explain his thought process on this. Yes, in part there is a small favor to the russian community. Which is btw the community who helps him organize these events too.
Second, as i said above secondary costs for NA SA EU players are considerably higher then for russian players. So it's kind of logical that you can effort more slots for russian players, where you don't need to pay for Visa arrangements, very expensive airflights etc etc.
Third: i think it's giving a small favor to give 2 spots to FSU players, not really as big as you make it. i can easily name three players in Dewalt, gorynich, spx who absolutely belong into that tournament. Not just my "i feel so" opinion, but if you look at past RCG/BSL Top 8's that makes sense to me.
On June 23 2021 23:38 Q~Bert wrote: I think the donations should be capped to correlate with the applicable spots for each continent. So essentially only 1/8th of the $10,000 can be contributed from the North and South Americas. And then the rest will have to pull their weight.
In fact, why can't that be the new format going forward? Each continent/country buys how many spots they get to compete for in the next tournament.
Yaj, $1,000,000 and you will be entitled rcg 2022 champion.
Haha, I agree RCG should weight its slots based on giving the best players from different regions the best chance to qualify (for instance offering Poland more slots than North America) and not just from financial backing.
I feel I have adamantly countered opposition to my suggestion more than was necessary. In reality it was just a fun thought that I believed would offer accountability and commitment from my region since ultimately North America is being punished (already admitted by Rus) for previous commitments not being fulfilled from our players.
I want to be clear that in no way am I trying to create any more opportunity for myself. I've barely competed in any major international tournaments because I am well aware even reaching the Ro16 is an unlikely scenario much less surpassing that stage.
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