As much as I am looking forward to it I can't help but feel slightly disappointed every time i see the map pool. Hopefully the games will be entertaining anyways. Even though he lets me down every single time I get my hopes up I can't help but like Anytime, I hope he puts in a good showing vs Bisu.
I wouldn't class myself as a Lecaf fan, but I certainly like to see Anytime win. Nevertheless, it's versus MBC so it's irrelevant. Crush them utterly MBC, and don't you dare lose Bisu/Sea :/.
god i hope anytime shows bisu how its done with toss. i would love to see sea the overrated popinjay lose and bisu lose in this coming up battles. GOGO LECAF!!
Two fairly standard openings here. It always takes TvT about 10 minutes to heat up (boxer excluded) so there's little point casting it. Sea is at 1 in blue i believe, ForGG is at 7 in teal. They're both mining and shit.
Sea tries to scout but vult kills it so 2 fact hidden. Lack of an expo probably gives it away anyway. ForGG moves in for the kill, Sea uses scvs, ForGG forgets to micro and dies horribly.
ForGG decides he doesn't need to make shit and just keeps up with the vults. Sea is now a base up with ForGG not even starting his nat, something Sea just scouted.
fogg attacks sea's nat with 4 vults when sea only has two vults there. sea pulls out his scvs to defend, forgg backs off b/c sea gets his goliaths out.
forgg mines up outside sea's nat and finally starts builindg a cc at his nat.
ForGG goes for another attack and then realises that vultures can't kill goliaths very easily. He loses the vultures anyway but at least he'll know for next time.
Sea is like "operation cwal" and lays down another 2 facts, like 3 depots and starts pumping goliaths. Ignoring the mines his goliaths just mow them down.
Sea just moves across the map with a fuckload of vults and goliaths and the tanks crumble. He probably lost that battle in terms of cost but it hardly matters.
ForGG tries to get an offensive going along the top but Sea shuts it down. Tanks are still there but cut off from reinforcements and they cannot advance anymore.
Sea upping it to 5 bases, none of which have seen any real pressure since the start of the game. At the same time he hits ForGG at 9. ForGG is on 3 base. Sea has 12, 1, 2, 3, 5.
Hmm I just voted for Casy to make it out of his ODT group, past sAviOr and Flash... I can't believe how much faith I still have in the kid :/ please come back!
On July 27 2007 22:46 thedeadhaji wrote: mmm, i should find that progamer draft thread and see which players OGN got, b/c they really need strong T and P players
pusan 10 gate in main, backho is going to 14 nexus, he scouts into pusan's main.... err wait, backho lets his pylon jump finish, he proxy double gates in pusan's main.
make that THREE gates.
pusan pulling 6 probes to fend off the proxy, pulls even more.
5 porbes mining.
pusan lets his pylon finish too i think? not sure.
Pusan goes for a triple proxy gate in plain vision. Most of the probes are pulled off to attack it. Lots of lost mining but the gates go down. Pusan is like "wtf i don't care 450 minerals = nothing".
Had Pusan sold the gates he'd probably have gotten 150 of lost income from Backho and therefore been fine. He's fucked now though. Totally fucked. New proxy attempt is scouted and neutralised.
both players getting core at aroudn the same time, backho having a tough time fending off pusan's zeal harass.
ho made double proxy gates in pusan's main as well, 2 zeals and 1 zeal out, he traps one zeal from pusan, OOOO kills another, 2 zeals die from pusan at his main, zeals attacking the gateway, pusan getting another cannon.
backho with a goon now, he still works on a gateway, pusan trying to save it, IT DIES
pusan down to 1 gate, warping anothe cannon, that will make 3 cannons. pusan rewarps a gateway, he puts his units in his mineral line, pulls 12 probes out to fight, backho backs off.
backho is in pusans base. 3 zealots vs 3. Pusan sends 1 of his in, loses it to 3. Undeterred he sends in another, loses it to the 3. Realising his mistake he sends all his zealots in (1), loses it to the 3.
So backho is in his base killing his shit. Lots of probes pulled off min line to defend and cannons warping. Backho changes his goon target too much and his goons don't fire for like 5 seconds, instead doing that stupid misfire thing. He adds another gateway inside pusans base.
Pusan is attacking goons with zee and outmicroed. Gateways are going down but darks are being built. The zees bought enough time. Dark now chasing goons, Pusans base is mostly rubble. Pusan has no way to get darks into Backhos base so tries another proxy. Backho scouts and kills it.
I think Pusan has lost 10-11 gateways so far this game. It's been pretty crazy. Backho takes his left nat and pusan goes for it with darks. Goons and obs push them back though.
Pusan has the nat below his main and is defending it nicely with storms. Meanwhile he has slipped darks behind Backhos army and is killing shit while the main battle distracts him.
Pusan tries to take his right nat but a timely dark drop kills the warping cannons and prevents it. No ob tech for pusan yet I believe so Bangho will secure a 3 base to 2 advantage.
PUSAN MOVES in with ht leading, 4 goons just get creamed by storm, pusan kills 2 cannons, pusan with a TON of goons firing away, ho uses probes to fight but he doesnt have enough units, ho with 3 hts but cant cast storm, ho loses 1 of them as he gets stormed
Ob tech out, Pusan knows he's a base behind and launches a huge attack on the left lane. Trying to take his right nat as a security at the same time but a dark prevents it. He goes ahead with the attack and storms mow down loads of shit. Probes fighting and it's a very close fight. This is for the game. Pusan breaks through. Fighting the next wave of reinforcements for Bangho, not even killed the left nat yet. Retreats from Bangho main, left nat goes down.
backhoblockign the center mineral wall opening with a dt!!!! he kill 3 ht, forces pusan to cancel a cannon there, forces pusan to call back his attack on backho's center nat.
Bangho is waiting with a smaller but still significant army and Pusan backs off. No stormers, instead goonzeechon which is a good counter to Pusans very zee heavy force.
pusan now attacks backoho's center nat with his army, both players throwing storms all over, it looks like pusan just has much better army positioning and space, as backho just gets clobbered by pusan's storms!
backho throws a few decent storms of his own, managest o repel pusan's army temporarily, but another 6 zeals come rushing down, backho just doesnt have enough untis now.
Bangho uses a dark to wall in the centre lane to stop Pusan reinforcements while massing himself. The battle at the centre lane commences in a crazy flurry of storms. Pusan his the right nat of Bangho at the same time. Bangho crumbles and ggs out.
backho played much more impressively than he did last season's playoffs, but his inexperience really showed, as he didn't know how to capitalize on his advantage. well played from pusan~
On July 27 2007 23:10 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote: GG Pusan wins!
Edit: my bad i guess my stream is faster TT_TT
haha thanks for being considerate
On July 27 2007 23:11 OrderlyChaos wrote: Excellent game
Pusan's storms.... wow
well i think it was more about backho's crappy unit positioning than pusan's stormign abilities. Backho repeatedly engaged pusan when his own army was choked down by his own nexus, his units were clumped and immobile, making them easy targets for pusan's storms.
Plus, he was really slow in moving his units out of said storms.
On July 27 2007 23:17 thedeadhaji wrote: well i think it was more about backho's crappy unit positioning than pusan's stormign abilities. Backho repeatedly engaged pusan when his own army was choked down by his own nexus, his units were clumped and immobile, making them easy targets for pusan's storms.
Yes that was very obvious, all credit for Pusan's storm damage in this game goes to Ho. In the first big battle, Ho had an Archon in the back of the army, terrible position all over, and no HTs ready... Pusan had like 3 HTs, one with an almost double charge ready.. Ho's goons melted in 3 seconds, it was so bad.
910 lands his cc agian in his main, 3 scvs make it back to his main, the rest being chased by shinhwa, shinhwa realizes 910 has landed the cc, fighting saint's lings
On July 27 2007 23:32 thedeadhaji wrote: both zergs are at the bottom, both terrans are on top, and the are on opposite side as their teammate.
shinhwa gets his lints 1 second before saint, mbc team is aware that shinhwa has done 5pool
both zergs running lings to the terrans.
DONGRAE fails to put up a proper wall, lets lings in but BUNKER IS UP
may be he wasn't trying to wallin like 910 did...BU near his CC seemed to be the right decision
ya at that time I didnt have time to really assess teh situation fully, just reporting as it was happening at rapid fire.
I remember Hotbid (i think) saying once, and I paraphrase quite loosely here: -- 910 does whatever the fuck he wants and saint covers his ass magnificently. 910 sucks but saint more than compensates most of the time --
drones are in the rines' face righ taway, 2 drones dead so far, lings are out, light cancelled the bunker, he built a depot at the narrow choke to delay the lings, lings running to light's nat now.
another 5 rines die in light's main, jaedong gets into an area no tprotected by turets in light's minline at main, kills 4 scvs, a turret and runs out.
evo and hydra den are up, light scans the spire and evo.
jaedong kill 3 rines that must came out of the raxes and were separate form teh main mnm group, they die, no jaedong goes back to the main minline as light moves his mnm towards the nat, 1 turret down, several scv and 2-3 rines die
jaedong making queen's nest, rallying lings down, he has the 3 gas expo up and running, some hydars out as well.
light with bunker at nat, 3 tanks sieged.
JAedong contines to murder shit in light's main, kills 5 rines that were trailing from the main mnm group, kills another scv and a turret, flies out again
light picks off an ol floating int he middle waters.
light moves his ball towarsd the 5 mi only, jaedong moves his army across the bridge and into the middle, as light comes back with his army, he unborrows his lurkers and backs up.
Jaedong gettign ready for a massive flank now though, SANDWITHCCCHHHHH
On July 28 2007 00:10 PoP wrote: If Jaedong can improve his ZvP he'll be really, really scary.
Agreed. Then we'll have a major league champion.
Jaedong's game is scary in that he can end games quickly with zerg against terran. Instead of going to late game and using defilers to beat terran, he uses pure control and aggression to win, using classic mutal/ling/lurker.
Jaedong's macro is amazing; how can he do that while controlling mutas like that???
if that one gamer on MBC's team twirling the other guys hair just now, and was caught on camera, if that isn't the gayest shit I've seen all year, then I dunno....
On July 28 2007 00:26 PuertoRican wrote: if that one gamer on MBC's team twirling the other guys hair just now, and was caught on camera, if that isn't the gayest shit I've seen all year, then I dunno....
anytiem is forced up his main ramp, and bisu comes in with zeal goon adn 1 reaver. anytime with 1 reaver as well, bisu kills 1 goon wtih the reaver, both players back off a bit.
anytime moving to the 12 island with his shuttle, going for a drop!
dropped in teh main ohhh i cant read shit but that is THREE very good shots from the reaver, dropped AGSIN at the nat, 2 more scarabs go off, I THINK THAT IS 12 RPOBES
BISU COMING TO ANYTIME"S NAT WITH 2 shuttles, probes escape righ taway, STORMMMMMMMMMM reaver dies,
ANYTIME DROPS 2 reaver 2 goon in bisu's nat, reavers in the very corner of the nat, destroying bius's goons, anytim microing reavers, ONE REAVER REDROPPED AT BISU"S MAIN TWO SHOTS GO OFF A TON OF PROBES DIE
anytime making archons at his main, bisu with 9 goons at the 9 expo, anytime sees with obs there.
anytime moves to the middl eo the map with his speedshuttle, drop sunits there, but bisu sees now, and flanking from three sides, anytime moves down his main ramp at the same time though!
anytime throwing stomrs on goon and reaver, but bisu has a tonnn of goons, pushes anytiem back up his ramp, bisu with a ton of goons clustered but anytime doesnt have quite enough storm.
anytiem moving shuttles, almost loses some to goons.
anytiem gathers his shuttles, checks 9 expo with obs and drops unist there.
anytime moves down teh main ramp and bit and casts 2 stroms on goons, bisu avoids well, anytiem drops a few units behind bisu's army and throws a storm, then brings some units from 9 expo, but bisu again with just a TON of units.
anytime manages to bring 2 reavers to the 9 expo, starts cannons and nexus there.
anytime starts comign down the 9 expo with units which pulls bisu over there, which buys time for him to get his army down from his main ramp. 2 reavers dropped behidn bisu's army, 2 storms on 2 reavers, omgs storms everywhere, the armies pretty mcuh kill eachother .
OMG that attack buys enough space for anytime to maynard his probes to 9 expo via ground!!
shuttle coming from anytime to the 7 nat, 2 ht dropped, some probes die from that, BISU WITH STORPM DROP BUT ANYTIME RESPONDS BEAUTIFIUALLY AND LOSES ONLY 1 PROBE
Damn anytime barely pulled that one out... what the fuck was his ceremony? god ceremonies are so gay especially during a proleague series. SAVE IT UNTIL YOUR TEAM WINS BOYS
haha carnac, i remember those but i am an avid anytime fan so yes, this was better haha. >_< i hope to god lecaf pulls this off, would serve mbc right for taking that series from stx (my bad) and beating lecaf previous proleague heh
How important this game is (rock vs chalrenge is pretty insubstantial in imporance don't you think?), coupled with the content of the game, the level of play, just how close it was all game and the turn arounds, the ups and downs, and the fact that bisu had destroyed anytime last season in the playoffs elevate this game even more than what it is on the surface.
amazing game. Anytime I love you even more than I did before------
Anytime responded better to Bisu's drops in that game, so I'd hope that if there was a re Bisu wouldn't lose as many probes. It's what sunk him this time.
What amazes me is Bisu's early-mid game ability to create units. He was totally dominating Anytime in terms of unit count early on even after the amazing reaver drops by Anytime.
On July 28 2007 01:06 WhatisProtoss wrote: What amazes me is Bisu's early-mid game ability to create units. He was totally dominating Anytime in terms of unit count early on even after the amazing reaver drops by Anytime.
anytime went templar tech really damn early off of 2 gates, and was generally behind in build all early game i thought.
I'd give Jaedong the odds to beat anyone on ace match @ Python right now, he's so fu'ing scarry! Once mutas are out, even Sea grabs his head in dispair, as we've seen a couple weeks ago.
1st sair out for ever, muta sair battle in middle of map, bright kills scourge with scourge, saves the siar, oh mansair firing at thezerg's mutas, bright's mutas kill scourge and a spore, spore dies, bright with more scourge, now 2 sairs, mutas killing drones in thezerg's main,
4 goons dropped in thezerg's nat, mutas come to save it, sunk goes up, scourge die to the muta micro, goons chased back by mutas, goons in thezerg's main are dying now too, new scourge come, being attacked by scourge, scourge die!!!!
once scourge die they leave, leaving goons for the mutas.
mutas come to jaehonn's main again, killing goons and cannons, the scourge come for thezerg, sairs come to try to save mutas but cant catch up? some mutas die to the scourge, goons beign called back to jaehoon's main to fight, now the airs leaves, mutas go to bright's nat, but 2 spores are up.
oh by the way, its mbc's own fault they donth ave a competent zerg.. stupid greedy bastards not agreeing to keep july under generous contract deals.. shame on em.
On July 28 2007 01:24 oshibori_probe wrote: MBC needs a fucking competent zerg. -_____-;; props to anytime for giving bisu what he deserves
what? you seriously cant find many zergs for 2v2 that are better than saint and thezerg. MBC didn't need a zerg in 1v1 with the maps that were handed to them. If they played the zerg on tau, he would have lost to Jaedong, who has a 70+% zvz winrate. Monty, Nemesis and Geometry, you're asking the zerg to die.
How would another "competent" zerg have helped in this situation?
On July 28 2007 01:24 oshibori_probe wrote: MBC needs a fucking competent zerg. -_____-;; props to anytime for giving bisu what he deserves
what? you seriously cant find many zergs for 2v2 that are better than saint and thezerg. MBC didn't need a zerg in 1v1 with the maps that were handed to them. If they played the zerg on tau, he would have lost to Jaedong, who has a 70+% zvz winrate. Monty, Nemesis and Geometry, you're asking the zerg to die.
How would another "competent" zerg have helped in this situation?
One thing that comes to mind now, Lecaf vs Khan, there will be a PvP that could go two ways, either Stork vs Anytime.. or Stork vs Ho? :-) Then they can let Anytime take down another player with a higher % for a win, and get a sure loss with Ho. They have to count a hell of a lot on their 2vs2, and Khan's 2vs2 is better than MBC's. Anyway lets see which coach wins the lineup game :-)
On July 28 2007 01:24 oshibori_probe wrote: MBC needs a fucking competent zerg. -_____-;; props to anytime for giving bisu what he deserves
what? you seriously cant find many zergs for 2v2 that are better than saint and thezerg. MBC didn't need a zerg in 1v1 with the maps that were handed to them. If they played the zerg on tau, he would have lost to Jaedong, who has a 70+% zvz winrate. Monty, Nemesis and Geometry, you're asking the zerg to die.
How would another "competent" zerg have helped in this situation?
Silver on Monty, 100% so far
if you saw Child vs Mania on Monty earlier this week, you can see that terrans are now wary of the center proxy hatch and prepare builds / scout appropriately to minimize the risk. It was extremely clear that Mania wasn't going to allow a silver build be used on him that game, which will be a trend from now on, just like checking all 3 mineral walls for proxies on the other side have become common practice against a toss or even a terran.
the solo's where not really surprising but i feel that a lot of people overestimated mbc's 2v2. sure, they win once in a while and all but really, they're quite average, no? this combined with lecaf's 2v2 not getting enough credits (overshadowed by jaedong/anytime) produced this "upset".
On July 28 2007 01:26 koryano321 wrote: omg... JUSTICE I TELL YOU!! JUSTICE!!! LECAF I HAVE ALWAYZ BELIEVED HAHA
ok we get you shut up now
fuck you man. you cant even cheer for your favorite team? people do it all the time in football,basketball and etc. no YOU shut the fuck up. id love to see you try to tell some fan watchin playoffs in football to stfu when they are cheering for their underdog team.
On July 28 2007 01:26 koryano321 wrote: omg... JUSTICE I TELL YOU!! JUSTICE!!! LECAF I HAVE ALWAYZ BELIEVED HAHA
ok we get you shut up now
fuck you man. you cant even cheer for your favorite team? people do it all the time in football,basketball and etc. no YOU shut the fuck up. id love to see you try to tell some fan watchin playoffs in football to stfu when they are cheering for their underdog team.
i was rooting for lecaf, even voted them although i was sure they were going to lose, and i want them to beat samsung for their title, but please cut the crap with lame performed ceremonies... last one was the only really cool and emotional one.
and btw, FUCK YEAH ANYTIME!! god i already knew he had won and got excited watching the game.
On July 28 2007 01:26 koryano321 wrote: omg... JUSTICE I TELL YOU!! JUSTICE!!! LECAF I HAVE ALWAYZ BELIEVED HAHA
ok we get you shut up now
fuck you man. you cant even cheer for your favorite team? people do it all the time in football,basketball and etc. no YOU shut the fuck up. id love to see you try to tell some fan watchin playoffs in football to stfu when they are cheering for their underdog team.
calm the fuck down, no one's oppressing you
I have to agree with koryano rather than GTR here -____-. Especially after all the Chalrenge ridiculousness was tolerated, there's no way two posts by one guy should warrant a "shut up".