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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
December 04 2019 01:57 GMT
#201
Wow, this was an amazing finals and was beyond my wildest expectations. To see Light actually play TvP quite competently was an unforgettable experience haha. But seriously, if anyone told me that Light would beat Rain 4-2 in a finals no less, I would've thought it was a joke. That eddy game felt like it was Flash playing with the way he expanded behind his pushes, but kept engaging and pulling back in time. Even his first game on MP wasn't too bad aside from the turret placement (think he had like 1 outside the range of the drop).

The FS game where he pounched on the opportunity presented to his by Rain's micro and that goon getting stuck briefly was as impressive and helped change the game dramatically. Has Light's TvP gotten that much better? In the last game, he was 2/2 to Rain's 1/0/0 then 3/2 to 2/0/0 and had such a nice strat too with the proxy fac. If it wasn't for that dt drop, he would've crushed Rain. Thankfully, Rain tried to plow his units at the third twice before he learned that he shouldn't haha, but Light's gameplay overall this series, aside from minor blunders, was superb and commendable.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
December 04 2019 03:34 GMT
#202
no article on front page. these are dark times
get rich or die mining
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27365 Posts
December 04 2019 14:02 GMT
#203
On December 04 2019 12:34 Alejandrisha wrote:
no article on front page. these are dark times

It did help me avoid getting spoiled as I’d forgotten this was on, which was nice of the site to do although I’m unsure how they knew this was the case.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
December 05 2019 03:58 GMT
#204
I thought they usually wait a bit to not spoil.
GANDHISAUCE
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
December 05 2019 06:26 GMT
#205
On December 05 2019 12:58 De4ngus wrote:
I thought they usually wait a bit to not spoil.


tis a good excuse

On December 04 2019 23:02 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2019 12:34 Alejandrisha wrote:
no article on front page. these are dark times

It did help me avoid getting spoiled as I’d forgotten this was on, which was nice of the site to do although I’m unsure how they knew this was the case.

tru tru
get rich or die mining
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51449 Posts
December 07 2019 04:18 GMT
#206
On December 05 2019 15:26 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2019 12:58 De4ngus wrote:
I thought they usually wait a bit to not spoil.


tis a good excuse

Show nested quote +
On December 04 2019 23:02 Wombat_NI wrote:
On December 04 2019 12:34 Alejandrisha wrote:
no article on front page. these are dark times

It did help me avoid getting spoiled as I’d forgotten this was on, which was nice of the site to do although I’m unsure how they knew this was the case.

tru tru


its coming.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Aminus
Profile Joined October 2018
Bulgaria35 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-07 01:36:45
January 07 2020 01:30 GMT
#207
Just watched the final. Apart from light playing amazing you have game 5 and thats how a bug can decide a finals in a game called itself remastered version... pfff what a joke. Didnt had any idea to comment or whine but seriously, what is this shit? its been 22 years since the game is on and its a "remastered" version they cannot fix bugs like this? how about reaver bug close to some ramps where it dont want to shoot? Remember a game by mini that was decided by this bug. Why these bugs are not fixed, and why all of them are on the weakest race, or should i say the least versatile and most punishing race when it comes to buildorder fails? does they dont know a reaver is cruicial, and goon in 1 on 1 situation like in game 5 is cruicial and no bugs are allowed? what a jerk devs.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 07 2020 09:46 GMT
#208
Just fix the bugs lol how hard can it be u lazy developers

Am I right, fellow game specialists???
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
JoinTheRain
Profile Blog Joined September 2018
Bulgaria409 Posts
January 07 2020 19:54 GMT
#209
On January 07 2020 10:30 Aminus wrote:
its been 22 years since the game is on and its a "remastered" version they cannot fix bugs like this?


Of course they can fix bugs like those of the dragoon and the reaver. But by now to the common viewer the things with how a unit behaves do not seem like bugs but more like parts of the gameplay that require mastering and skill, they add to the overall excitement. I think so at least.
Look at the flying units stacking - it is a bug, in was not intended but someone discovered it along the way and it is mastered and understood to unrivaled depths. Should they fix that as well? I guess you would say no, would you? Without it how are modern zergs supposed to win a ZvT? The developers claimed no gameplay related changes and so far they are true to their word.
Also, Rain himself has not (to my knowledge at least, tell me if I am wrong for I do not want to be willingly deprived of truth) stated he is mad about his loss due to this bug.
But why would you advocate changing the game on the grounds that it is 22 year old game, what does that age have to do with anything?
Are you the only one who is indignant of this bug? Hardly so, I am sure. But why are you so vocal about it, I dare not suppose. Can't you find the will to just enjoy the game as it is? If you can't - feel free to complain, see what good this will do to you.
The subject-matter of the art of living is each person's own life.
Aminus
Profile Joined October 2018
Bulgaria35 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-08 05:16:48
January 08 2020 04:38 GMT
#210
cant take this ^ post seriously, sorry.

Il just say some things about bugs for anyone interested. Bugs were appearing so the game got patched and these bugs removed. With new patches sometimes a new bug was appearing which was removed at the next patch. Thats why the game got patched after balance patches was no more. 1.16.1 version introduced dragoon stuck bug which wasnt fixed since blizzard sort of abandoned the game support by that time. By the way of logic that bug shouldve been gone in the so called "remastered" version. Blizzard didnt removed the bug because their policy is clearly not about quality. Remastered shouldve smoothen up the gameplay as much as possible. They decided to not touch game, because it will change the gameplay possibly leading to imbalance or something in pro level, which was not supported by any tests or facts and which is by my oppinion very debatable. Leaving bugs that shouldve been removed decide pro games seems like more solid decision by their logic. During that time there were many broodwar purists who were crying literally this - " do not touch our perfect game, we dont care what can be improved and we dont care for the new players" regarding to unit pathfinding and improved interface or anything that can be changed, reminded me of caveman refused to go out of their way of existence, but thats a different story. That gave blizzard green light for their unpolished work. Since no evedience or tests were made with improved unit ai or modernised interface about balance or imbalance, which wouldve bring more players to the game and definitely raise the quality of spectators experience i cannot believe a thing about pro level bullshit or anything. Put simply they told us the story of classic and perfect game and got a lazy reskin without removing the cruical dragoon bug from 1.16.1. What happened after remastered release? Ugly reskin that soon got replaced by which we now see as the standart skin for KSL and ASL. Lots of lag and ladder bug issues, on which they were working time after release.
So Blizzard released unfinished game and called it remastered version.
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