i actually think Pepe has pretty good TvT. anyone remember that game against iloveOOv on Blitz X during the MSL? they both went late game, building up BC's and vessels and tanks...and OOv barely won with like...one bc or two remaining, i forget.
Actually Sunny is right :-) pepe shouldn't be underestimated I suppose. NaDA > YellOw... other than that I hope Pantech will win another game, and that we'll indeed get to see Nal_Ra vs NaDa @ Ace, those two seriously need to battle!
It is on Tau Cross. Nada will mop the floor with Jinho. However, I honestly hope he wins. We laugh at him now, but if you remember what he used to be... Sigh...
Pantech has to be the luckiest gay team ever. Yellow vs Nada is just rofl first of all free win. then they get every perfect Mirror MU, Nal_ra can easily lose as well as Hery. only ones im confident in is the 2v2. could go 3-1 3-2 2-3 ez
Playing against Pepe or Pure and winning would boost his confidence nicely, just to win a Proleague game right now is big for him and his fans. But... he got matches against NaDa... I can't help but feel its hopeless. If he does somehow win it'll be amazing :-)
On June 12 2007 14:33 MYM.Testie wrote: What are the TvZ stats these days?
Discluding like, Savior and stuff.
Depends on the map, I think. Some are pretty even, while others coughgeometrycough are pretty awful. Tau is 5-1 tvz this season, for what it's worth (with just six games, probably not a whole lot, but still doesn't bode incredibly well for yellow, especially with the 1 z win being yesterday's trouncing of Hwasin).
On June 12 2007 14:33 MYM.Testie wrote: What are the TvZ stats these days?
Discluding like, Savior and stuff.
Depends on the map, I think. Some are pretty even, while others coughgeometrycough are pretty awful. Tau is 5-1 tvz this season, for what it's worth (with just six games, probably not a whole lot, but still doesn't bode incredibly well for yellow, especially with the 1 z win being yesterday's trouncing of Hwasin).
T's are totally owning Z's in PL. i think... im might be wrong. but from all the games i watched, seem like Ts are owning Zs.
On June 12 2007 15:03 GTR-2-Go wrote: Ace: Mantoss > Nada
I won't shit myself for this. Even though SF2(or 3??) was long time ago, but that was Manloss. Just send KangMin, so he can get MVP. They both need to play ace match, to make up the ace match that was supposed to be played instead of going to WWI.
On June 12 2007 14:33 MYM.Testie wrote: What are the TvZ stats these days?
Discluding like, Savior and stuff.
Depends on the map, I think. Some are pretty even, while others coughgeometrycough are pretty awful. Tau is 5-1 tvz this season, for what it's worth (with just six games, probably not a whole lot, but still doesn't bode incredibly well for yellow, especially with the 1 z win being yesterday's trouncing of Hwasin).
T's are totally owning Z's in PL. i think... im might be wrong. but from all the games i watched, seem like Ts are owning Zs.
When I said, "Some are pretty even," I had in mind Python in particular (the numbers for Peaks and Nemesis are also pretty even, but they both haven't had a whole lot of tvz played on them).
On June 12 2007 19:21 unknown.sam wrote: yellow should be a piece of cake for nada considering how lowly his performances have been for the past how many years...
But nada's performance lately is underwhelming. Being knocked out of both Osl and Msl must be no joy. I'd say yellow has a chance, but not more than Nada to take the win on this one. Either way, i think ktf magic ns would win against pantech this time.
On June 12 2007 19:26 bahhh wrote: But nada's performance lately is underwhelming. Being knocked out of both Osl and Msl must be no joy. I'd say yellow has a chance, but not more than Nada to take the win on this one. Either way, i think ktf magic ns would win against pantech this time.
yeah i guess, but nada has had so many more competitive (tournament) matches than yellow, so nada will still be the odds on favorite...but then again, shit happens from time to time
On June 12 2007 19:21 unknown.sam wrote: yellow should be a piece of cake for nada considering how lowly his performances have been for the past how many years...
YellOw beat NaDa in mid - 2006 Snickers finals ;;
so it's not that long ago. One year. That was a good series - the last game was kinda bad, I guess.
On June 12 2007 19:21 unknown.sam wrote: yellow should be a piece of cake for nada considering how lowly his performances have been for the past how many years...
YellOw beat NaDa in mid - 2006 Snickers finals ;;
so it's not that long ago. One year. That was a good series - the last game was kinda bad, I guess.
You're off by one year, it was mid 2005 :o
@Daveed: I can guarantee you that Garimto won't play a single match in this Proleague season. Not to mention that Flash and Garimto are both on the same team, so you're not making any sense anyway
YES YES SOCRGEEE OWN THE WRAITHS, shit Jin Hio is wonderful today. YES!!! Lurkerling incoming toward nada, lurks and guards in his base destroying rax. A HUGE force comes in to reinforced, Lings all over NADA, THIS GAME IS SEEEEEX.
On June 12 2007 22:27 WhatisProtoss wrote: hahahaha
NaDa lost to old Yellow?? Idiot.
qft
Please. Your stupid commentary on that game was ALL about Yellow. Next time, comment on the game with less bias... or just let LastRomantic do it, since he's much better at it.
Pepe is out for Pantech. It is his FIRST appearance this proleague season. He has not even played that much in 2006. He has only 6 TV appearances this year.
But apparently, he practices very diligently and has the confidence of his teammates.
On June 12 2007 22:27 WhatisProtoss wrote: hahahaha
NaDa lost to old Yellow?? Idiot.
qft
Please. Your stupid commentary on that game was all about Yellow. Next time, comment on the game with less bias... or just let LastRomantic do it, since he's much better at it.
YellOw is by far my favourite progamer, and these types of games from him are rare now. So I obviously was very excited and reported accordingly.
Sorry for the qft but in these types of games I am very biassed.
8 rine 1 bat med charge up Chojja's ramp! Chojja blocks med and bat and kills it, Chojja now finishes off teh 6 or so rines that made it through with his drones and a few lings. Now NaDa starts his nat CC while throwing down 2 raxes, total of 3. Chojja has 3 sunsk guarding his main ramp.
On June 13 2007 00:12 MuShu wrote: Ok, so it's Cholla at top left and NaDa at bottom right on Desperado. Chojja went pool first, got his lings and is now taking his expo and gas.
Oh my bad, it's Nemesis. Not too familiar with maps and names yet. >_>
Hatch starting at 6 for Chojja, surprising since it's so close to NaDa's main. Harassing with mutas, but not as eloquent as July's mutas. Chojja had lings blocking bottom left main, tricking NaDa to thinking there's a hatch and he sent his army. Of course, he found nada.
NaDa sieges outside of NaDa's main, but good muta micro picks off 2 tanks and NaDa retreats. Still pumping from 3 rax and has starport up plus a sci facility building. Gnome picks off another tank and has Greater Spire up plus ultra den. He also has 12 and 6 and is morphig guradians.
Vessel out, pumping from 2 starports. Also 3 guardians out for Chojja at his main. NaDa is oblivious to 6 hatch yet, which has a couple of drones plus a sunken. He is planning to expo at bottom left main. Also, dropships out, matrixed, but Chojja has 4 scourge and kill it!
Guardians going down to bottom left! there are 4 floating blobs, 3 ultras also out. Chojja looks to be in good position with 4 bases total. NaDa puming from 4 rax, cows gathering up, about 6 now. Chojja still has about 5 mutas, not many lings.
Dropship drops 6 main, about a dozen rines and more ds come. MAny scourge! 1 dropship falls and 6 looks to fall, but Chojja drops bottom left main with cows and lings, destroys the small defences and now killing scvs! NaDa now lifts, while lone cow is killing the small marines army at 6. Matrixed-ship now heading for 12, but Gnome has a cow defending.
Small skirmish in the center, with few rine losses and 4 dead cows. Chojja does a mini 1overlord drop with 2 cows at NaDa's original Nat, killing scv and rines. Cow and ling army @ 3, raping NaDa's army and now his building CC! NaDa has 6 vessels but no army! Looks good for cowboy.
NaDa makes a puffy face, but drop wouldve been raped anyways, Chpjja's army already there in anticipation. Chojja is taking the map, he has a queen, probably looking to make a show!
Chojja's been very diligent with scourge today, doing well at killing dropships. NaDa has a mini-cheater army waltzking down the middle, about 5 vessels. He's attemtping to take back 3, but Chojja's army goes to attack, but the ramp is too secure and cows and lings die to about 20 rines and meds! Chojja allowed NaDa to retake 3, he should get swarm to break those ramps.
NaDa has 2 dropships, drops 6 again! only 2 cows defending and Chojja looks to lose that hatch!
C'mon Chojja, don't let this game slip away! NaDa is slowly creeping back into this game, but Chojja dropping 3! Overlords going going, queenm ensnares the army and Chojjas cows ramping the rines! 3 is going to fall!
NaDa has 2 dropships heading somewhere, MANY SCOURGE! ATTACKS CC and queen ensnares! NaDa drops Chojja's bottom left, but it's no use, cows raping his small drop!
NaDa has no income while Chojja has almost the whole map. Ok, NaDa has 1 mineral patch, but Chojja has bases at all the other mains as well as 12. NaDa making a last stand with SCV and his 24 rines, but 12 cows attacking! This could be it. about 20 rines and all of NaDa's scv plus vessels charging into bottom left main, raping it, but that won't matter as Chojja still has a million bases.
Vessel clouds raping drones!!, Cows head to NaDAs main and pillages, raxes float!
Buildings floating all over the place, and Infested CC making infested terrans! NaDa holding bottom right main with scvs and marines, even though he has nothing to defend there. Raxes, Factory, and CC now Floating to bottom right main safeguarded by NaDa. Chojja, don't let NaDa back in the game! He already has a CC and scv there, while a drop stops top right from functioning for Chojja. Another dropship patrollingm could drop another expo of Chojja. Chojja must end this soon, he has the army, all he needs to do is drop it.
Alright, here's the overlords, there are about 10 heading for NaDa's main! They drop, ling/cow also fly up the ramp! Infesteds attack the CC and NADA GGS!
I think it's a bit unfair that all the pressure falls on NaDa. When he loses, Pantech pretty much can't win. Poor NaDa, I like him but I also like KTF.
wtf, nada losing twice against opponents who arent exactly on fire atm...i guess that's how competitive sc is now, everyone has a chance...damnit NADA!!!
I really love NaDa, but I can't cheer him over KTF when they send out YellOw and ChoJJa, I mean Pantech really need to build something better than sending NaDa all the time, imo they might as well breakup the team and let NaDa go to a better place for him.
On June 13 2007 00:45 Polemarch wrote: did he cry? damn... he certainly looked really down, ouch. losing two games that you're favoured in when you're considered the ace of the team.
yeah but nada for pantech is like boxer for AirForce ... these two can win two games per CW everytime.. they are the leaders they are granted with the credit ... and this is tough responsibility - sometimes you just lose that's it move on... i'm more than surprised yellow and chojja beated nada today
I'm so happy for YellOw! :-) A bit sad for NaDa, but he'll get over it very fast, he is NaDa after all :-) Pantech used NaDa for 2 wins in each of the previous matchups, and now for 2 loss, thats what you get for putting all the weight on one player.
chojja didn't just win, he humiliated nada, opting to infest a CC when he could have just killed it, and then trying to stretch the game out a little longer to use infested terrans
blagh i feel so bad for nada, but honestly, pantech is the worst fucking team on the planet.
none of thier players ever win anything in individual leagues, and rarely is anyone a consistent PL performer. pantech team strategy: nada wins a 1v1 in one of the first 4 games, and then another player or the 2v2 team needs to win 1 game. then, magically, nada wins the ace match.
On June 12 2007 22:27 WhatisProtoss wrote: hahahaha
NaDa lost to old Yellow?? Idiot.
qft
Please. Your stupid commentary on that game was ALL about Yellow. Next time, comment on the game with less bias... or just let LastRomantic do it, since he's much better at it.
i guess you wouldn't mind commenting next time then? i appreciated TheTyranid's enthusiasm for YellOw.
somebody has to make a gif of nal_ra after yellow's win, i mean COME ON? he looked like the hugest nerd in the face of the world, huge retarded grin, boggled eyes. It was a masterpiece!
On June 13 2007 01:04 Organ wrote: OMG! Who's next to beat Nada? Mumyung?
you probably dont know that yell0w is the most known zerg and still very powerfull and chojja was n°1 KESPA about one year ago. Your comment is the stupidest of all the thread. gj
edit: yea chojja is my favorite player since 2001, it seems like just me and tfein (where is he?) see in him the most brillant player of all time, almost always providing amazing games (even if he loses), amazing skill and very creative play (+ gm attitude. ChOJJa is a legend, that's all.
it makes me really want to reconsider my opinion of yellow and cheer for him, maybe he really is coming back
him in addition to the reach revival would be sick
edit: come on gds you can't say that yellow is "still very powerful" he's been sucking for years, and this is probably the first sign of him returning to form... he was a HUGE underdog in this match
On June 13 2007 01:04 Organ wrote: OMG! Who's next to beat Nada? Mumyung?
you probably dont know that yell0w is the most known zerg and still very powerfull and chojja was n°1 KESPA about one year ago. Your comment is the stupidest of all the thread. gj
edit: yea chojja is my favorite player since 2001, it seems like just me and tfein (where is he?) see in him the most brillant player of all time, almost always providing amazing games (even if he loses), amazing skill and very creative play (+ gm attitude. ChOJJa is a legend, that's all.
Yeah and boxer is the most known terran and still somewhat powerful, but many of us were shocked when bisu lost to him. Yellow and Chojja were good, but now they are obviously can't play at the highest level (still playing rather good). It's a pity that Nada is maybe joining them now and they can play equal games. I still rate nada extremely high and losing to these age-of-dinosaurs zergs has surprised me so much.
poor nada. he HAS to play every single game bc no one in his team is even near his level of play. so much pressure. i remeber Pantech Coach mentioning biggest problem for NaDa isnt the fact that hes under a lot of pressure, or having crazy schedule. the biggest proble right now is that he doesnt have ne decent sparing parter who can play on the same level as NaDa on the team.
As much as i agree that Yellow and Chojja aren't exactly the top zergs right now, they were still in shape last year during shinhan 1 osl. Of course, they weren't as good as Savior was, but Savior wasn't in osl at that time. They started slumping (and slumped pretty badly, especially Yellow) only during Shinhan 2. So calling them "dinosaurs who can't play at the highest level" is a bit too much imo. They were able to compete with the best players last year, the level didn't increase so dramatically since then.
Anyway, Yellow's win makes me really happy I need to dl the vod as soon as i get home
On June 13 2007 01:04 Organ wrote: OMG! Who's next to beat Nada? Mumyung?
you probably dont know that yell0w is the most known zerg and still very powerfull and chojja was n°1 KESPA about one year ago. Your comment is the stupidest of all the thread. gj
edit: yea chojja is my favorite player since 2001, it seems like just me and tfein (where is he?) see in him the most brillant player of all time, almost always providing amazing games (even if he loses), amazing skill and very creative play (+ gm attitude. ChOJJa is a legend, that's all.
Yeah and boxer is the most known terran and still somewhat powerful, but many of us were shocked when bisu lost to him. Yellow and Chojja were good, but now they are obviously can't play at the highest level (still playing rather good). It's a pity that Nada is maybe joining them now and they can play equal games. I still rate nada extremely high and losing to these age-of-dinosaurs zergs has surprised me so much.
how can you say that nada is joining yellow and chojja as dinosaurs who cant play at the highest level?
he was an unstoppable killing machine two months ago and even now hes still a force in the proleague
I love that Reach/YellOw two finger thing in the team picture. They're so gay for each other -_-;
Also I didn't know YellOw was ahead in their all time rec O_oi I would have expected him to be behind; he had this seven loss streak against naDa at one point.
On June 13 2007 01:04 Organ wrote: OMG! Who's next to beat Nada? Mumyung?
you probably dont know that yell0w is the most known zerg and still very powerfull and chojja was n°1 KESPA about one year ago. Your comment is the stupidest of all the thread. gj
edit: yea chojja is my favorite player since 2001, it seems like just me and tfein (where is he?) see in him the most brillant player of all time, almost always providing amazing games (even if he loses), amazing skill and very creative play (+ gm attitude. ChOJJa is a legend, that's all.
Yeah and boxer is the most known terran and still somewhat powerful, but many of us were shocked when bisu lost to him. Yellow and Chojja were good, but now they are obviously can't play at the highest level (still playing rather good). It's a pity that Nada is maybe joining them now and they can play equal games. I still rate nada extremely high and losing to these age-of-dinosaurs zergs has surprised me so much.
Chrh beating Bisu was a shock. Boxer beating Bisu was not
Chojja can/is still playing at the highest level if you have been watching any part of his games. This was the biggest rape I've ever seen any zerg pound on Nada.
ChoJJa's strat was genius. Because he had such a bad start, (7 pool failed, then allowing marines in his base...) he knew he wasn't going to get any gas expos on land. His muta micro was fairly bad this game (twice I saw him fly over mnm on accident) and NaDa had all expos checked. I was sure ChoJJa was going to lose.
But instead of a straight-up battle, ChoJJa opted for the island expos at 6 and 12... 6 was a balsy yet brilliant move because it was right next to NaDa. And when NaDa finally found the expos, he scourged the dropships (I think he killed 3 or 4 dropships the entire game... when they counted the most). He also skipped lurker tech, which was genius, since he was playing harrass + expo instead of head-to-head battles. Using guardians/sunken to defend in main base (which wasn't needed thanks to NaDa messing up and allowing 3 tanks to die to sunken/muta) and making PLENTY of scourges to prevent his islands from dying, He was able to gather a shitload of gas from 4 expos.
Then came the cows. With lurker tech skipped, his 2 island expos fairly secured and teched to Hive, once the ultralisk caver went up I knew NaDa played right into his hands. He didn't even make that many mutalisks, and only made about 5/6 guardians for defense... the only gas he really used was the scourges. And as predicted by end of the game the map was overrun by cows and lings.
From then on he used the combination of ultra/ling drops and scourges to prevent any type of comeback from NaDa.
I liked how Chojja played, he skipped lurker tech for drop and grabbed island expos. Considering the nature of the map, I really like this play. I also like Guardians for choke defending since this map's choke is notoriously stupid. This game was very Chojja-like in management and style and I totally appreciated it.
However, the Yellow game, I am torn. I am so happy Jinho won, I said I expect him to get raped but would be happy if he won, and I am. However, I wonder about Nada. His proxy 3rd rax was cheeky and arrogant and I thought he really could have taken out 6 at many points earlier but he stayed very safe as Yellow flashed like 3 units in Nada's vision to keep him in base all game -_-;; Then with 3 gas from the start, wtf is Nada gonna do? Even Yellow will rape you then, all day, everyday. He's not a 2 fingered handicapped newbie, he's still fuckn Jinho man.
I am really happy for KTF zergs today, they deserve it, they are some of the best in History. However, as much as I dislike Nada, I thought his play was sub-par compared to most days. Not cuz he lost, but his game was so passive and weak.
EDIT - Chojja's Thumb's Up Picture is Frame Worthy.
The best part of the Chojja game was the first D matrix drop dying to 4 scourge. There were 2, then Chojja sees Nada's scan and makes 2 more scourges where Nada scanned-ished. When the D-matrx drop falls, the original 2 scourge nail the SOB then the 2 scourge sitting around where the scan was nail the bitch and OMG I was really really happy. SKOJIII >>>> D MATRIXXX
On June 13 2007 01:04 Organ wrote: OMG! Who's next to beat Nada? Mumyung?
you probably dont know that yell0w is the most known zerg and still very powerfull and chojja was n°1 KESPA about one year ago. Your comment is the stupidest of all the thread. gj
edit: yea chojja is my favorite player since 2001, it seems like just me and tfein (where is he?) see in him the most brillant player of all time, almost always providing amazing games (even if he loses), amazing skill and very creative play (+ gm attitude. ChOJJa is a legend, that's all.
Yeah and boxer is the most known terran and still somewhat powerful, but many of us were shocked when bisu lost to him. Yellow and Chojja were good, but now they are obviously can't play at the highest level (still playing rather good). It's a pity that Nada is maybe joining them now and they can play equal games. I still rate nada extremely high and losing to these age-of-dinosaurs zergs has surprised me so much.
Chrh beating Bisu was a shock. Boxer beating Bisu was not
Chojja can/is still playing at the highest level if you have been watching any part of his games. This was the biggest rape I've ever seen any zerg pound on Nada.
no it isn't savior gave him a scenic tour of failureville in Shinhan 3
don't try to say this game was more impressive than that
On June 13 2007 15:10 GTR-2-Go wrote: I remember how YellOw was with Nada on Toona, then switched back to KTF after a short period of time. Any idea why (I suppose $)?
I reckon that if YellOw stayed in Toona/Pantech, they would actually be alright of a team.
It was $$
They tossed 'round so much money then, KTF..
the vast majority of their Proleague lineup is purchased off other teams.
When Nada ran his rines up Chojja's ramp it was actually good for Cho. 0-1 drone losses, little mining time. After a line of marines avoided sunks, he caught firebat and medic and took down weak rines soon after.
During midgame (eh, was there one? after 7 pool, failed mm attack), upgrade gap got really noticable in ultra vs infantry fights. Besides many dropships, Nada massed a decent number of vassels. Another thing to give Chojja credit for disallowing terran to use these two aces in his favor. It worked, but there were no irrad fests or ugly slaughters. He started dictating playstyle soon after failed 3 tank attack on main. Which was really, really messy by the way: 1 tank lost to sunken, one to mutas and one later, it was lone reinforcement tank.
btw, chojja's muta control sucked early game, didn't it?
NaDa's beaten GGPlay a few times, GoRush, etc. These two losses don't signify a "slump" per se - lack of dominance TvZ, perhaps, but by no means a slump.
wow, ktf zergs becoming pretty scary as far as zvts go. anyone else notice that chojja played the exact opposite of yellow in terms of units? hats off to him for beating nada without lurkers / defilers - not something you see every day; almost looked as though he was avoiding that build on purpose. together, yellow and chojja used every single zerg unit, except devourers.
i feel sorry for nada though. losing both games the day he gets his weekly mvp award...
Chojja beating Nada is like Yellow beating Boxer or July beating Oov From Live2Wins post it seems like the game had similarities to their game on River of Flames in KPGA 4th tour final. Cant wait to see the VOD!
i play zerg i hate NaDa i love ChoJJa and I still think that this was a vulgar display of humiliation. I mean cmon, ignoring the vessels, insisting on infesting a commandcenter, repeated attempts to use infested terran drops, it was all a bit over the top.
On June 18 2007 12:19 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: i play zerg i hate NaDa i love ChoJJa and I still think that this was a vulgar display of humiliation. I mean cmon, ignoring the vessels, insisting on infesting a commandcenter, repeated attempts to use infested terran drops, it was all a bit over the top.
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