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[KSL3] Ro8 Day 2 - Soulkey vs Snow/Rain vs Sharp - Page 7

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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8176 Posts
May 25 2019 03:21 GMT
#121
On May 25 2019 12:08 Alpha-NP- wrote:
We should all root for Stork. It would be a crazy story if he won the whole thing. Like Bisu returning.


It'd actually be more fitting if he got 2nd though, no?
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superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3694 Posts
May 25 2019 10:01 GMT
#122
LOL only mirror matchups remaining?
Although I will say, I much prefer PvP over 7min ZvZ and 60min TvT.
MooPower92
Profile Joined March 2019
8 Posts
May 25 2019 20:27 GMT
#123
What a great time to be a Protoss player and fan! We need more Protoss honor and titles! During the Kespa days it was always Terran, then zerg and then Protoss having the least titles.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3479 Posts
May 25 2019 20:36 GMT
#124
At least nobody can blame the maps or the draw, They seem to really be the best four players reamining, maybe mini had it a little easier because of Amples inexperience.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
May 25 2019 21:06 GMT
#125
On May 26 2019 05:27 MooPower92 wrote:
What a great time to be a Protoss player and fan! We need more Protoss honor and titles! During the Kespa days it was always Terran, then zerg and then Protoss having the least titles.


And it hasn't been much different with Amateur tournaments. Protoss definitely are in need of more titles in Brood War!
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2553 Posts
May 25 2019 21:53 GMT
#126
It seems to me that Protosses are figuring out PvZ lately!
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fazek42
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Hungary438 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-25 22:06:40
May 25 2019 22:06 GMT
#127
Yo Jaeyun I'm a T player, but damn, was that analysis of Snow vs. Soulkey great to read! Thanks so much!

On May 25 2019 05:12 Jaeyun wrote:
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Thanks for the analysis! I get stormed to death anyway, but I definitely need something new—I've been running into a wall in B league as ZvP, along the same lines as we're seeing in this match. Protoss just seems to have all their bases covered. I'll have to check out your stream.


Np! At lower levels, I would recommend just trying to execute 5 hatch hydra and being aggressive around the 7:30-8:30 mark. After that, I'd just back up, drone, and block off the big Protoss push at around 12-13 minutes. Move into 4-5 bases with hive tech then play from there. You probably don't want to be out on the map fighting before then, in my opinion. Good luck!

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Did really nobody notice in the game Snow lost against Soulkey, that Snow had 1-1 upgrades? That was the single most important mistake Snow did. Don't know why he decided to upgrade armor instead of +2 attack (maybe lack of money), but zealots need one more upgrade than zerg carapace to fight effectively against lings. And here Soulkey didn't have just lings. Those were cracklings!


Snow was going for 2-1 upgrades with a double forge to counter SK's style. A good number of P's go 8 gate double forge in PvZ to go for a 2-1 timing rather than 2-0. This makes lings do 3 damage to goons, which is a big deal when Zerg reinforces with lings to pop goons once the zealots are gone. You may have looked at Snow's upgrades right before +2 weapons hit so he had 1-1 but he had 2-1 at the fight on the bridge.

KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
May 26 2019 06:25 GMT
#128
PvP is a great matchup when played skillfully. Am ecstatic for this t4. Snow played out of his mind.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7584 Posts
May 26 2019 06:37 GMT
#129
Even thou I am not a big fan of finals without zerg, I am satisfied with this league and excited for the finals.

Why aren't any terrans or zergs here, because they got smashed. All of the players remaining has earned this.

Snow would be the least exciting winner, Rain would be logical, Mini might be the best toss in the world right now or Stork, a throwback to before I had grey hairs or eye wrinkles, who happens to have played the most dominant wins in the last 3 rounds.

Protoss players are normally a dime a dozen - all four of these guys have commanded their forces in strong fashion.


Mini's fast 2-3 shuttle early midgame strategy is the bisu build of the new age, calling it now.

Also, someone is going to do a maelstorm+storm drop in a pvz soon. I can feel it.
Chronopolis
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1484 Posts
May 26 2019 08:05 GMT
#130
It was a blast seeing high-level PvX play throughout the quarterfinals. And we'll probably get to see the highest skill PvP matches in a while, with all the practice dedicated to one matchup.
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3459 Posts
May 26 2019 09:06 GMT
#131
I blame the map pool for this Protoss bowl. Even though it's not really but I got nothing else to blame on.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3479 Posts
May 26 2019 10:25 GMT
#132
On May 26 2019 15:37 AttackZerg wrote:
Even thou I am not a big fan of finals without zerg, I am satisfied with this league and excited for the finals.

Why aren't any terrans or zergs here, because they got smashed. All of the players remaining has earned this.

Snow would be the least exciting winner, Rain would be logical, Mini might be the best toss in the world right now or Stork, a throwback to before I had grey hairs or eye wrinkles, who happens to have played the most dominant wins in the last 3 rounds.

Protoss players are normally a dime a dozen - all four of these guys have commanded their forces in strong fashion.


Mini's fast 2-3 shuttle early midgame strategy is the bisu build of the new age, calling it now.

Also, someone is going to do a maelstorm+storm drop in a pvz soon. I can feel it.

Hey slow down, my boy Action got Mini on the ropes, got caught out of position midgame with his hydra army and Mini capitalized but he hardly got smashed.

Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
May 26 2019 10:45 GMT
#133
Flash is not in the tournament. So, everything is left for the rest.
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1132 Posts
May 26 2019 11:27 GMT
#134
Well 4 protoss is anything but exciting for a finals, but at least Stork is a good guy to root for, Mini is playing a fun game to watch and seems to perform better under pressure lately, Rain is always nice to rail and SnOw deserve his spot as well.
Cant really complain about anything about poor showing by soulkey and best, but even then best would have won it would have been 4 protoss anyways
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
May 26 2019 11:32 GMT
#135
On May 26 2019 15:37 AttackZerg wrote:
Even thou I am not a big fan of finals without zerg, I am satisfied with this league and excited for the finals.

Why aren't any terrans or zergs here, because they got smashed. All of the players remaining has earned this.

Snow would be the least exciting winner, Rain would be logical, Mini might be the best toss in the world right now or Stork, a throwback to before I had grey hairs or eye wrinkles, who happens to have played the most dominant wins in the last 3 rounds.

Protoss players are normally a dime a dozen - all four of these guys have commanded their forces in strong fashion.


Mini's fast 2-3 shuttle early midgame strategy is the bisu build of the new age, calling it now.

Also, someone is going to do a maelstorm+storm drop in a pvz soon. I can feel it.


Snow would be the most exciting winner imho. He has style(Dark Archons!), he has never won before and PvP is his weakest matchup, taking down Rain and Mini/Stork would be a great feat.

Protoss players dominated every matchup, even the dreaded PvZ, so that they completely deserved to reach ro4.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
May 26 2019 12:39 GMT
#136
I've said from the last ASL/KSL the age of Protoss is here. They have improved so much in PvZ and are giving top Zergs such a hard time. And I would largely favour Rain, Snow and Mini against all Terrans except Flash. Will be interesting to see what happens in the next ASL.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1132 Posts
May 26 2019 15:06 GMT
#137
On May 26 2019 21:39 Dante08 wrote:
I've said from the last ASL/KSL the age of Protoss is here. They have improved so much in PvZ and are giving top Zergs such a hard time. And I would largely favour Rain, Snow and Mini against all Terrans except Flash. Will be interesting to see what happens in the next ASL.


Pretty sure it goes like Snow, then stork, then Best, then Rain, then Mini if were talking about pvt
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
May 26 2019 18:21 GMT
#138
I expect Stork to mix in some cheeze. I figure if Mini gets behind a game or two, then the series is pretty much over. Mini just falls apart when things go south.
Moopower
Profile Joined May 2017
128 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-27 01:44:05
May 27 2019 01:39 GMT
#139
About the 4 protosses.
Rain has been in good form since season 4 and has proven to be championship material taking sc2 and sc1 titles. Sure sc2 is different than bw but winning and seemingly mastering both games gives him a psychological edge. He has proven to not have final jitters and can perform under pressure.

Stork has really surprised me by dismantling Last with a calm and steady pace throughout the whole match. The way he destroys Last with Carriers all 3 games shows they weren't a fluke. He even humiliates Best by taking an expo while Best plays a safe build, playing the mind games and STILL outmacroes him in many occasions. I really hope to root for Stork if he continues this trend. He has been known as the King of Silvers and 2nd place finishes in the Kespa era, never truly establishing himself as the dominant toss, but he was mostly always top tier until KSL started again. Now Stork looks reborn a new Protoss!

Mini was a protoss I've found hard to root for. He was always emotional and seemed to crack under pressure. He definitely came a long way in dealing with that emotional turmoil. While most pros calmly accept defeat or even have a slight disappointed look, Mini slumps over with his head down that makes most people think he is weak mentally. That may explain some, but sometimes emotional players have that much more of a drive to succeed. I think in a previous ASL or KSL he managed to beat SK after a near reverse sweep. I thought he was going to get 2-3ed and toss the match but he managed to get a grip of himself. Now he seems to have mastered a lot of zealot pressure in PvZ early game and has cleaned up his plays a lot. He is like the underdog story similar to Stork that can hopefully rise to the occasion and become one of the greats!

Snow, most impressed me in ASL season 5 against Flash. The only protoss at the time that I truly believed gave Flash a run for his money. All the Protoss seemed to trash Terrans all except Flash. You might as well call it FvP instead of TvP. The same way Bisu dominates PvZ, Flash is always leagues ahead of the rest of the Terrans in this match up. Snow convincingly beat Flash, and I can't say the same for any Protoss recently. So hopefully Flash will participate next tournaments and a Protoss can prove themselves against a god.
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
May 27 2019 03:01 GMT
#140
Mini is the most exciting player to develop in a long time, maybe since Bogus or Stats. I always laughed at how his emotional outbursts caused casualfans to casual narrative all over the place. But his early game is legitimately innovative and aggressive in a meta game generally favoring defensive play, and he's by far the best 1gate FE-r, reminiscent of Jangbi's apex.
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