EPTCorrupted Cup 2019: WCG class tournament - Page 9
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1893 Posts
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npnl19
Russian Federation27 Posts
Boss Gecko told you that im not allowed to play it You still have no claim to a spot in the russian quals imo So in theory, if this Favorit was a "good guy" (which for some reason he isnt), which quali should he applied ? EU ? RUS? or none just because he's unlucky with location/passport or whatever | ||
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NeMu555
114 Posts
On July 03 2019 09:43 npnl19 wrote: So in theory, if this Favorit was a "good guy" (which for some reason he isnt), which quali should he applied ? EU ? RUS? or none just because he's unlucky with location/passport or whatever In theory he could have probably applied for any of them but in reality he obviously is shady and a liar so that should be enough to stop him from any tournament dont you think? I'm also not sure why this is an issue when he is a noob and will only have to pay travel expenses to be wrecked by higher tier players. Its not like he has been close to the top ever to make it a big deal..... Random no name who wants some fame isn't gonna help anyone! On the other hand Tresha is going to be intertaining to see as we are all fans of his :D | ||
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iRk-AGge
Sweden400 Posts
On July 03 2019 05:44 Q~Bert wrote: Dude, who cares? You aren't even good at this game and have zero chance of qualifying.. Also, you're a hacker and you lag. So players that arent top level shouldnt be able to at least try their chances? Tell me then why you Yaj was trying too qualify in the NA qualifiers? And please tell us how it went! On July 03 2019 06:05 GeckoXp wrote: There's a reason not many Germans like him. This guy already got too much attention. See qbert's post. Usiing Q~berts (aka Yaj) post as an example of a person who doesnt like Favorit. lmao, Yaj, the guy who flames everyone, gets banned everywhere and is a total douchebag in genaral. And isnt germany famous for letting hackers participate in qualifiers? Selector being the greatest example. On July 03 2019 12:42 NeMu555 wrote: In theory he could have probably applied for any of them but in reality he obviously is shady and a liar so that should be enough to stop him from any tournament dont you think? I'm also not sure why this is an issue when he is a noob and will only have to pay travel expenses to be wrecked by higher tier players. Its not like he has been close to the top ever to make it a big deal..... Random no name who wants some fame isn't gonna help anyone! On the other hand Tresha is going to be intertaining to see as we are all fans of his :D Once again if the skill level is the issue, why was there even open qualifiers? And to explain yet another cryptic answer from Mr Brain On July 03 2019 07:43 Rus_Brain wrote: I'm just trying to help him to keep his word, nothing more. This isnt WCG or WCG class tournament, WCG never restricted anyone from participating in their qualifiers or in the final event. This is an eSport.fund event and therefore admins can ban whoever they want, and that's fine. Just don't act like it's because of breaking rules Favorit cant play, it's because the organization don't want him anywhere near the tournament and that's partly Favorits fault. So just make a statement so people can end the speculations. Better up I'll make it for you... Favorit isnt allowed into the tournament because he said to Rus_Brain and I quote from their conversation with the whole BW Jeez situation: On February 24, 2019 "Favoritheute um 16:21 Uhr u want to make my real name public? i have russian and german citizenship, with different last names, which one do u need? anyway dont worry my friend i have never and i will never play any of your tours so i accept my ban and wish u, ur family, and ur tournament all the best in future davai" Since Favorit didnt want to provide his personal information, he accepted the ban. And therefore he's not allowed to play in this event. Matter is solved, case closed. Now let's all enjoy this event and stop with the flaming. There's enough hate in the world as it is. <3 | ||
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FavoritBW
Sweden52 Posts
On July 03 2019 07:43 Rus_Brain wrote: I'm just trying to help him to keep his word, nothing more. Ah so this is what its about  Fair enough. I can respect that, it was true at that point of time and the conversation in February was about jeez tours. When gory suggested that I ask you if the ban applies to CC or not, I followed that advice and you told me that it does not. Otherwise I obv wouldn't have bothered trying to qualify at all. gl hf to everyone who made it to the finals. | ||
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Hatchet_man
Russian Federation249 Posts
On July 03 2019 04:49 iRk-AGge wrote: And since Favorit last represented Germany as a sc player when he was 20 (early 2008), wich sports rules should be applied on him? During BSL6 I asked Favorit about which country he wants to represent in ladder. He chose Germany. And was counted German for the BSL6 Nation Wars rankings. | ||
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1893 Posts
On July 03 2019 15:38 iRk-AGge wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I never granted you permission to disclose private correspondence.Favorit isnt allowed into the tournament because he said to Rus_Brain and I quote from their conversation with the whole BW Jeez situation: On February 24, 2019 "Favoritheute um 16:21 Uhr u want to make my real name public? i have russian and german citizenship, with different last names, which one do u need? anyway dont worry my friend i have never and i will never play any of your tours so i accept my ban and wish u, ur family, and ur tournament all the best in future davai" | ||
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iRk-AGge
Sweden400 Posts
On July 03 2019 18:20 Rus_Brain wrote: I never granted you permission to disclose private correspondence. Why would I need your permission to disclose Favorits answer to you? I have not posted any parts of your end in the correspondence. And I had Favorits permission to wrap things up, that's enough of permissions. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1166 Posts
And guess what - they are all not allowed to participate in gaming events in Korea forever and ever. I don't want to be in the middle of this but I can see a lot of miscommunication between you both with Brain and in the end, both can be right from their POV. The only thing that is sure is that Favorit is a hacker (in the past but who knows...), a shady person in general, and nobody likes such people around them. Especially when you put money on the table. You all are giving too much attention to issues with people who don't do a thing about the community and have no regrets for the things they've done. | ||
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iRk-AGge
Sweden400 Posts
On July 03 2019 21:11 BlueStar wrote: Agge - just one thing - when shit went down with the first match-fixing scandal (savior era) - They were not allowed to participate in any WCG qualies/tourneys and the 2008 championship was taken away from Luxury who won it all. And guess what - they are all not allowed to participate in gaming events in Korea forever and ever. I don't want to be in the middle of this but I can see a lot of miscommunication between you both with Brain and in the end, both can be right from their POV. The only thing that is sure is that Favorit is a hacker (in the past but who knows...), a shady person in general, and nobody likes such people around them. Especially when you put money on the table. You all are giving too much attention to issues with people who don't do a thing about the community and have no regrets for the things they've done. Well guess what, Testie, Trek, Selector, all known hackers, have participated in gaming events all over the world, even after getting caught hacking. Testie even got invited to Korea. I still have nothing against the ban of Favorit, I just think that if you ban someone you should put all cards on the table and tell the community why, so we don't have to see one of our friends being trashtalked in the forum threads because everyone makes up their owns shit version of why he was banned. How does keeping the reason of the ban secret, helping to bring the community together? As you clearly can see, since it's all speculations in here, the community is now devided into two parties over a petty thing that could have been avoided from the beginning. What do you know about what Favorit does for the community? He's been coaching noobs in CPL last season, he's helped out with coaching both iRk-B and C-team players ever since joining iRk. Just because he doesnt put up 5k dollar on the table and says "I arrange a corrupt tournament" doesnt mean he's not involved in the community. There are so many people doing so much for the community that you people dont know of. Take the whole CPL crew for example, take STPL crew for example, take BWCL crew for example, take LMD server people, take every clanleader of the active clans that survived since remastered came out.... None of them need to flash their cash, but still dedicate parts of their lives for the community. And when something goes wrong, when there is complications or whatever, the admins don't just write one line of cryptic shit as an answer, they take their time to resolve the issues and make sure the community know why they've made the decision. Just compare Jealous response to why he banned Ty2 from the NYC Lan with Rus_Brains response to why he banned Favorit. Both had the same scenario. The persons in question got banned, and questioned the decision in the forum thread respectively, Jealous wrote exactly why he had made the decision, while Rus_Brains response to Favorits ban was "Fifteen minutes of fame granted, and that's enough." Ofcourse us, the ones who likes Favorit and think he's a great guy, will react. And I guess this was my "fifteen minutes of fame". <3 | ||
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1893 Posts
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1166 Posts
I can see your point, but as well there is a counter point on the other side. If it depends on me - once a hacker is always a hacker. We have plenty of examples in front of us to continue giving chances to people who do bad things. And yet - I don't see any kind of remorse from Favorit's side - just him trying to be sneaky and "break the system". | ||
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iRk-AGge
Sweden400 Posts
On July 03 2019 21:54 BlueStar wrote: Yeah, you missed hackpro as well, who even hacked twice at big events (e.g. I remember WGTCL finals)... the 2nd time even after being caught... And he was popular in SC2 as well. I can see your point, but as well there is a counter point on the other side. If it depends on me - once a hacker is always a hacker. We have plenty of examples in front of us to continue giving chances to people who do bad things. And yet - I don't see any kind of remorse from Favorit's side - just him trying to be sneaky and "break the system". He wrote this... and it's not easy to show remorse when you have no clue why you got banned in the first place. On July 03 2019 16:14 FavoritBW wrote: Ah so this is what its about Fair enough. I can respect that, it was true at that point of time and the conversation in February was about jeez tours. When gory suggested that I ask you if the ban applies to CC or not, I followed that advice and you told me that it does not. Otherwise I obv wouldn't have bothered trying to qualify at all. gl hf to everyone who made it to the finals. Well I guess we're just more forgiving in the northern parts of europe. We don't call out kids that once stole a candy bar THIEVES for the rest of their lives, or a person who commited a crime in their youth CRIMINAL for the rest of their lives. People grow up, people change. people can become better persons and learn from their mistakes, and that's my belief. Faith instead of Hate! <3 | ||
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Q~Bert
United States663 Posts
[QUOTE]On July 03 2019 05:44 Q~Bert wrote: Dude, who cares? You aren't even good at this game and have zero chance of qualifying.. Also, you're a hacker and you lag.[/QUOTE] So players that arent top level shouldnt be able to at least try their chances? Tell me then why you Yaj was trying too qualify in the NA qualifiers? And please tell us how it went! [QUOTE]On July 03 2019 06:05 GeckoXp wrote: There's a reason not many Germans like him. This guy already got too much attention. See qbert's post.[/QUOTE] Usiing Q~berts (aka Yaj) post as an example of a person who doesnt like Favorit. lmao, Yaj, the guy who flames everyone, gets banned everywhere and is a total douchebag in genaral. Players that aren't top level shouldn't post their grievances day after day considering no one else cares, they aren't missed, and ultimately their effort will be in vain when they will not progress to the next round. I played in the NA qualifers because I am not a shady hacker with a terrible past and do not have residency issues? What was your point lol? And I lost the first week to back to back ZvZs and I lost the second week to back to back ZvZs. I had only one MU in the bracket outside of ZvZ and that was a ZvP vs your boy iRk-Tim whom I slaughtered. Thanks for asking! And I don't flame everyone. You're a nice fella - I have never flamed you. I have never said how pathetic it is that a man in his 30s takes such pride in being an unpaid manager of a team of a video game. I have never said how cringeworthy and douchey it may come off that a dude in man bun would stream their trash 1500 mmr game play with their shirt off. I have never said how creepy it is that you type hearts to every other dude in chat on a daily basis. See? I have my boundaries. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
To be honest, bringing several inconsistent reasons why you won't allow X to participate when you have a solid one you won't mention except when pressed is not something you should do often. Agge made his point clear on this. The event is still a great idea. Keep it up! | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On July 03 2019 16:56 Hatchet_man wrote: During BSL6 I asked Favorit about which country he wants to represent in ladder. He chose Germany. And was counted German for the BSL6 Nation Wars rankings. LOL. OH NO YOU DIDN'T @ Agge @ Favorit. @Taardiel:i don't know how you interpreted this whole scenario here, but the point i tried to stress is that I think favorite is not eligible for rus qualifiers because he belongs in the rus qualifier. In my pov, thats the main argument. Now, for clarification: i am on staff for the eu region only. Decision was made by Brain and Yoda. That means i gave my personal opinion on the matter [if favorite] is eligible to play in the rus qualifiers. I didn't talk at all about the question if he could play with regards to the hacking history in the first place. It's not important either. Question of why favorite can't play in rus qualifiers is a question of nationality/which region fits for him. He can't because his region is europe. Question if he can play in europe is a question of: do we allow an ex-hacker into the tour. Answer is no. Thats my view on it. | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On July 03 2019 23:54 Cele wrote: LOL. OH NO YOU DIDN'T @ Agge @ Favorit. @Taardiel:i don't know how you interpreted this whole scenario here, but the point i tried to stress is that I think favorite is not eligible for rus qualifiers because he belongs in the rus qualifier. In my pov, thats the main argument. Now, for clarification: i am on staff for the eu region only. Decision was made by Brain and Yoda. That means i gave my personal opinion on the matter [if favorite] is eligible to play in the rus qualifiers. I didn't talk at all about the question if he could play with regards to the hacking history in the first place. It's not important either. Question of why favorite can't play in rus qualifiers is a question of nationality/which region fits for him. He can't because his region is europe. Question if he can play in europe is a question of: do we allow an ex-hacker into the tour. Answer is no. Thats my view on it. This is even more confusing. Assuming he's "clear" now and could apply, is Russia his region or EU? You seem to contradict yourself, or that's what I see at least. First you said he belongs in the Russian qualifier, then you say his region is Europe. My point is that this whole nationality debate is preface for him having a poor reputation for whatever reason. Which I'm fine with, plus I know nothing of the guy. He's being fairly mannered in this particular thread, so props to him I'd say. It just leaves a sour taste - say he does not belong in the tournament because he has bad history and be done with it. Other arguments don't hold too well under scrutiny so far. That's the impression I got. Picture could be completely different with more information. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On July 04 2019 00:21 TaardadAiel wrote: This is even more confusing. Assuming he's "clear" now and could apply, is Russia his region or EU? You seem to contradict yourself, or that's what I see at least. First you said he belongs in the Russian qualifier, then you say his region is Europe. My point is that this whole nationality debate is preface for him having a poor reputation for whatever reason. Which I'm fine with, plus I know nothing of the guy. He's being fairly mannered in this particular thread, so props to him I'd say. It just leaves a sour taste - say he does not belong in the tournament because he has bad history and be done with it. Other arguments don't hold too well under scrutiny so far. That's the impression I got. Picture could be completely different with more information. Nope, i said in my first post here on the subject that i consider favorite/zarrr as a player who is -technically- eligible to play in the EU region. By exclusion he is therefore not eligible to play in the RUS region. My points tl:dr: -he was always considered a german player in the past, playing for german clans, writing in german forums (secondary argument if you will) - he played for the German National Broodwar Team in the past. - he was counted as German in BSL 6. The wiki lists him as german player. As we learned from hatchet_man above, he himself did choose so. (primary argument) - additionaly he currently resides in Sweden, he owns a dual german and russian citizenship and did not [statement by Rus_Brain] participate in a Moscow Lan yet. + Show Spoiler + Basically all the big Lans are held in Moscow, so thats the same as saying he never attended a russian offline event. Based on that i see no reason at all to even consider him eligible for the russian qualifier. And that was the initial point asked here to which i responded. The question why he was banned from the EU qualifier is a different question to me and was raised only afterwards: On July 03 2019 04:49 iRk-AGge wrote: Let's use German Athletics Federation as an example when it comes to cheating in sports. A german athlete that tests positive with a banned substance in his/her body is banned from all competition for 2 years, then he/she can start competing again. In sweden we have a 4 year ban and the person can never compete professional again. In USA there are f.e american football players, sprinters and baseball players who get caught with steroids in their body and still only get 6-18 months ban before they can start competeting on pro level again. In Russia the government deny deny deny eventho 43 athletes are sanctioned from the winter olympics 2018, and an ongoing investigation of proclaimed forged documents of drugtests of athletes for the summer olympics in 2020. (Thanks Germany for the investigation) Favorit on the other hand is banned for life if caught hacking 2008? There are numerous former players who got caught hacking in their early ages and still got to keep competing for years and years without the community organizers having anything against it, for example, Testie [relevant part marked by me] And that hackers, even if well in the past would not be allowed into the EU qualifier was said very clearly communicated in the OP for the EU qualifier Quote from the rule section: "2.Right of Admission (II): The administration will not accept the entry of any known hacker or cheater, regardless of when he/she/it was caught breaking the rules. The same logic is applied to known abusers and trolls." | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On July 04 2019 00:47 TaardadAiel wrote: So my point stands: regardless of the region he's not to be allowed to participate because of some stupid stuff he did at some point. Say as much and be done with it without all the national fuss. That was Agge's point and I support this position. dunno, if you consider hacking "some stupid fuss" thats your cuppa tea. | ||
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