EPTCan't blame effort, if effort makes 3 sunkens every game - he would be unecessarily behind
[ASL6] Grand Finals - Flash vs EffOrt - Page 12
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chongu
Malaysia2600 Posts
Can't blame effort, if effort makes 3 sunkens every game - he would be unecessarily behind | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On October 28 2018 16:07 epi wrote: Not enough credit being given to the mind games being played here. Effort didn't build a third sunken because he just didn't believe that Flash, of all people, would just do a 2 rax no-expo attack. That was part of Flash's strategy. He saw that it was 2 rax no-expo | ||
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Levque
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elKa-ThE-FeArEd
Sweden177 Posts
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On October 28 2018 16:07 epi wrote: Not enough credit being given to the mind games being played here. Effort didn't build a third sunken because he just didn't believe that Flash, of all people, would just do a 2 rax no-expo attack. That was part of Flash's strategy. Effort knew about the 2nd rax I think when he saw the marine count early on in the game. I'll also have to check the video after, but Effort's overlord was very close to Flash's natural, it might have gotten a glimpse of no cc. | ||
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Miragee
8685 Posts
On October 28 2018 16:05 L_Master wrote: I dunno. 2 sunkens up a ramp you'd usually think of as being enough to hold a control group imo. I'm not sure you can fault EffOrt that hard...especially playing with a very fast 2h muta where drones are a premium. That engage also couldn't have gone more perfect for FlaSh. This is also possible. Without those firebats getting perfect shots no way FlaSh can break that. Yeah I think Effort miss-controlled that a bit when he pulled back his lings and the firebat killed like 4 in one shot. It's a situation with very little room for mistakes. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8976 Posts
CB is the map to do this ! | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4179 Posts
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DJONES
United States218 Posts
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
i dont watch the afreeca streams but the pros actually open with a 2 rax maybe 1 in 50 tvz games because the pro zergs will just slap that down with sunkens. Effort on a map where you can sunken your ramp, he was way overconfident in how the ramp helps him you play that on fighting spirit, you see marines move out with overlord, BAM you have 4 sunkens. | ||
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Miragee
8685 Posts
On October 28 2018 16:08 elKa-ThE-FeArEd wrote: Flash sent 4 marines that the lings missed, that probably killed him No, he wouldn't have build a second sunken if he thought this was only 4 marines coming. Effort knew exactly what was coming his way. Except for maybe the firebats. But he was at least aware of the possibility of those coming as well. | ||
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DJONES
United States218 Posts
On October 28 2018 16:09 Dante08 wrote: Well I think Effort underestimated the number of sunkens you need even on high ground. Add to the fact that he was doing a very fast 2 hatch spire build and didn't feel like spending the money on an additional sunken. I think if effort dropped down 1 more sunken he probably would have won. I feel like if you see a timing attack like that all you need to do is hold it off and you are in a commanding position as zerg. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On October 28 2018 16:06 L1ghtning wrote: Flash with the Sparks Terran build. So old school. That wasn't Sparks Terran. Sparks Terran is a 3 Rax build that hits pre-muta vs 3 hatch. Flash did 2 Rax and hit much faster (against 2 hatch). | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On October 28 2018 16:11 Miragee wrote: No, he wouldn't have build a second sunken if he thought this was only 4 marines coming. Effort knew exactly what was coming his way. Except for maybe the firebats. But he was at least aware of the possibility of those coming as well. He missed the first group of marines and saw only the 2nd group (firebats rolling one by one in the 3rd group)... It's possible he misread the build and thought that the army that he scouted was the 1st group and not 2nd. | ||
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TonDan
65 Posts
"the series is 1 -1, thank god it's not 2-0, Flash lost the first game, he won the second game, he's impressive, but nothing's more impressive than if effort beats flash...' yada yada yada. Holy shit. I'd rather just watch the game on mute if this is the kind of commentary that's provided. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8976 Posts
OK HERE WE GO ! | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On October 28 2018 16:07 epi wrote: Not enough credit being given to the mind games being played here. Effort didn't build a third sunken because he just didn't believe that Flash, of all people, would just do a 2 rax no-expo attack. That was part of Flash's strategy. Yes, people who are criticising Effort for not making a sunken probably don't play zerg, if you make sunkens unnecessarily you suffer a lot of econ damage (especially for a 2 hatch build) and will lose later anyway. | ||
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ERSJ
Sweden57 Posts
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Miragee
8685 Posts
On October 28 2018 16:10 N.geNuity wrote: i feel like effort just didnt register it was 2 rax right off the bat seeing his first ling die to 4 marines on the ramp i dont watch the afreeca streams but the pros actually open with a 2 rax maybe 1 in 50 tvz games because the pro zergs will just slap that down with sunkens. Effort on a map where you can sunken your ramp, he was way overconfident in how the ramp helps him you play that on fighting spirit, you see marines move out with overlord, BAM you have 4 sunkens. That's not true. You don't build 4 sunkens against this sort of an early push. | ||
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epi
Canada115 Posts
He saw it, but didn't react to it properly because in his head he just couldn't believe it. It's just like how Flash lost to Jaedong in the group stage. He saw what was happening, but he couldn't believe that Jaedong was just going for the all-in even though he was literally looking at it. To quote from his own self-analysis of his group stage game: "Here, what's going thru my head is that I see 12 lings but this has gotta be a fake that's gonna make me over defend." You can make people disbelieve things that they are looking directly at. That's the power of mind games. | ||
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