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IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
October 28 2018 07:03 GMT
#201
effort was supply blocked for like 1 minute and didn't make sunkens, interesting
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8685 Posts
October 28 2018 07:04 GMT
#202
I'm very amazed by these finals. Very entertaining. One guy rushes, the other one loses.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-28 07:11:12
October 28 2018 07:04 GMT
#203
It's not effort being dumb, he must have assumed there weren't 2 additional firebats coming.

If an additional sunken (if unnecessary), would have been very bad for his greedy 2hatch econ
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Lazare1969
Profile Joined September 2014
United States318 Posts
October 28 2018 07:04 GMT
#204
Exact same mistake Jaedong made versus Last when he thought 2 sunkens is enough against a marine medic control group.
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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
October 28 2018 07:04 GMT
#205
On October 28 2018 16:03 IshinShishi wrote:
effort was supply blocked for like 1 minute and didn't make sunkens, interesting

was propably saving up for the mutas while waiting the overlord to spawn.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-28 07:06:01
October 28 2018 07:05 GMT
#206
I dunno. 2 sunkens up a ramp you'd usually think of as being enough to hold a control group imo. I'm not sure you can fault EffOrt that hard...especially playing with a very fast 2h muta where drones are a premium.

That engage also couldn't have gone more perfect for FlaSh.

On October 28 2018 16:04 JieXian wrote:
He must have assumed there weren't 2 additional firebats coming.


This is also possible. Without those firebats getting perfect shots no way FlaSh can break that.
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ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3829 Posts
October 28 2018 07:05 GMT
#207
I wonder if effort was given a false sense of security from the ramp?
on a map with a low natural you'd never only build 2 sunkens to stop a 1 base bio push
: o )
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2246 Posts
October 28 2018 07:05 GMT
#208
Effort saw only part of the push and never saw the second rax, he wasnt expecting that many units
rand0MPrecisi0n
Profile Joined February 2017
313 Posts
October 28 2018 07:05 GMT
#209
On October 28 2018 16:03 sAw wrote:
Flash with the AI build (well, almost).


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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8976 Posts
October 28 2018 07:05 GMT
#210
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EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
October 28 2018 07:05 GMT
#211
I think effOrt thought FlaSh had expanded.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-28 07:07:53
October 28 2018 07:05 GMT
#212
On October 28 2018 16:03 IshinShishi wrote:
effort was supply blocked for like 1 minute and didn't make sunkens, interesting


An overlord builds in 25 seconds, so it's not really possible to be supply blocked for longer than that if none of your overlords are killed.

Effort went into those marines too early I think, but it's a tough situation, because it's hard to place the sunks in a good place. The ideal distance to attack the marines at would be at around the ramp, but because there's a ramp there with firebats you can't really engage there.

A third sunken would have been the ideal play, but alas.
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TonDan
Profile Joined May 2018
65 Posts
October 28 2018 07:05 GMT
#213
noregret and rapid don't seem to know anything about this game. No discussions about strategies or tactics.
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1262 Posts
October 28 2018 07:06 GMT
#214
Dude...make a sunken.

Did he underestimate the number of marines? Why didn't he target fire the firebats first? Those lings just committed suicide into them.
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
October 28 2018 07:06 GMT
#215
On October 28 2018 16:05 EsX_Raptor wrote:
I think effOrt thought FlaSh had expanded.


Doubt it. His overlord scouted there wasn't a CC there.
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
L1ghtning
Profile Joined July 2013
Sweden353 Posts
October 28 2018 07:06 GMT
#216
Flash with the Sparks Terran build. So old school.
epi
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada115 Posts
October 28 2018 07:07 GMT
#217
Not enough credit being given to the mind games being played here. Effort didn't build a third sunken because he just didn't believe that Flash, of all people, would just do a 2 rax no-expo attack. That was part of Flash's strategy.
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
October 28 2018 07:07 GMT
#218
well, its like effort and flash swaped spots from game one;

one player doing a timing push,
other player scouted it,
but instead of defending, they got to greedy...

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Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
October 28 2018 07:08 GMT
#219
Well effort lost his lings to the firebats and did not target with his sunkens propely, the defence micro could have gone better for him.
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
October 28 2018 07:08 GMT
#220
No surprise on the 2rax there. This was the most Z favored map in the set and Flash was already down a game.

Think Effort was trying to be cute and skimp by placing an evo chamber to block off his main, though at that point, once the lings were gone, Flash could have just shut down the natural hatchery before the mutas popped
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