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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 28 2018 06:54 GMT
#161
On October 28 2018 15:49 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2018 15:47 Musicus wrote:
Can someone explain a bit. Was that a bo loss or did Flash fuck up? Could better vulture micro save him?


Show nested quote +
[12:15 PM] Jaeyun: larva/brittany said that flash’s most hated build against 111 is efforts build bc even if you know lings are coming, there’s so many and the timing of the speed is hard to deal w


jaeyun knows his stuff

Very interesting, is that build map specific or could Effort do it again?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
gDPhantom
Profile Joined January 2015
New Zealand162 Posts
October 28 2018 06:54 GMT
#162
On October 28 2018 15:51 N.geNuity wrote:
the 1-1-1 has been getting vulture before machine shop right?

if we're going to call every 1 factory 1 starport build a 1-1-1 i would just spam everything to be "the fantasy build" even though that was an order that no one uses anymore either

a vulture opening is not anything new, it is the transitions and decision making off the vulture. but flash going machine shop first into speed and not going into starport immediately on factory completion (was starport after cc?) is not the 1-1-1

The original 1/1/1 was an early vulture then straight into a wraith to scout then from there it depends on what you scout. This build he's doing is a bit of a reaction to recent meta and his scouting.

He scouted the ridiculously early lair so knew it was 2 base muta, he chose to get vulture speed to fight any ling attacks, then he pulled off gas to pump his econ and fund mass turret/barracks.

1/1/1 is like the first couple of rungs of a ladder and then it branches off depending on scouting and what kind of game you wanna play.
YNWA
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
October 28 2018 06:55 GMT
#163
On October 28 2018 15:49 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2018 15:47 Musicus wrote:
Can someone explain a bit. Was that a bo loss or did Flash fuck up? Could better vulture micro save him?


Show nested quote +
[12:15 PM] Jaeyun: larva/brittany said that flash’s most hated build against 111 is efforts build bc even if you know lings are coming, there’s so many and the timing of the speed is hard to deal w


jaeyun knows his stuff


Thanks, please do post more analysis if possible
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Mirabel_
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1768 Posts
October 28 2018 06:55 GMT
#164
interview with snow in the audience!
bits of translation on english stream:
"i'm impressed by effort's momentum, it's victory of an unprecedented manner for the first game versus flash"
"if it goes smoothly it might be 3-0 for effort"
"your opponent is a great player, but don't be nervous. as long as you play as you prepared, you can win"

best in the audience
"i thought flash was going to win no matter what! i was watching his facial expressions..."
"i think he's going to do a reverse sweep"
"i hope he is the first player to win four starleague championships"
get stronger play longer
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
October 28 2018 06:56 GMT
#165
I just noticed, they are sitting in the wrong chairs!

It's been red for Z and blue for T this whole time hasn't it? Well at least in KSL
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N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
October 28 2018 06:56 GMT
#166
On October 28 2018 15:51 johanes wrote:
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On October 28 2018 15:50 Dante08 wrote:
On October 28 2018 15:48 johanes wrote:
On October 28 2018 15:47 Musicus wrote:
Can someone explain a bit. Was that a bo loss or did Flash fuck up? Could better vulture micro save him?

BO loss, cant micro vs speed lings without speed


Man did you miss the last few months of TvZ? How is that a BO loss please stop spreading misinformation.

Its clear BO loss, efforts build him gave him speed lings against slow vultures.


maybe shouldn't lose scv to slow lings (missed speed upgrade), he saw the lair start on pool finishing so he knew it was super quick gas (and could be early ling speed with the lair), maybe could have built cc to float over given he saw low eco 2 hatch and can always put a couple scvs at your choke

i agree that many zergs are afraid to go punish a terran, but flash's biggest weakness has always been to when people just man up versus him (terran in general). flash gets too cute for himself (used to go 14 cc like every game, used to do a lot of 1 fact into 3 cc until jangbi slapped him down, etc)
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8609 Posts
October 28 2018 06:56 GMT
#167
On October 28 2018 15:50 gDPhantom wrote:
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On October 28 2018 15:47 prosatan wrote:
maybe flash wanted a 2 port wraith , if u guys say it wasn't 1-1-1

he was not going 2 port wraith... he pulled off gas and was going a fast CC.


aaa , i see thank you !
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
October 28 2018 06:57 GMT
#168
flash bming!
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Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1966 Posts
October 28 2018 06:57 GMT
#169
Flash is shook, dropped the lid.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8609 Posts
October 28 2018 06:58 GMT
#170
Flash - purple terran
Effort - yellow zerg
This is good information guys !
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
October 28 2018 06:58 GMT
#171
no keyboard bm
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
Arvendilin
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany1878 Posts
October 28 2018 06:58 GMT
#172
On October 28 2018 15:57 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Flash is shook, dropped the lid.

After seeing this, easy 3-0 for Effort predicted now lol
My heroes: Jangbi, Bisu, Stork and BeSt for BW, Rain, Zest and Stats for SC2! Need a better Signature tbh...
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
October 28 2018 06:58 GMT
#173
HYPE FOR MY BOY EFFORT
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8609 Posts
October 28 2018 06:58 GMT
#174
9 pool and extractor for effort
flash with a fast scout
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2231 Posts
October 28 2018 06:59 GMT
#175
2racks
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
October 28 2018 06:59 GMT
#176
On October 28 2018 15:57 Just_a_Moth wrote:
Flash is shook, dropped the lid.


9-4 map for effort! Flash is quivering!
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
October 28 2018 07:01 GMT
#177
1 base terran??
Please send me a PM of any song you like that I most probably never heard of! I am looking for people to chat about writing and producing music | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noD-bsOcxuU |
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8609 Posts
October 28 2018 07:01 GMT
#178
pretty standard so far
spire for effort
2 rax for flash
effort has a sunken
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8609 Posts
October 28 2018 07:01 GMT
#179
moreeee sunkenssssss effort!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
gDPhantom
Profile Joined January 2015
New Zealand162 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-28 07:02:38
October 28 2018 07:01 GMT
#180
this game is like the most cookie cutter game ever and Rapid is losing his shit lol
YNWA
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