[ASL6] Ro16 Group A

On September 18 2018 18:44 radadaundandan wrote:
Ribuuuuu

On September 18 2018 18:59 Kaolla wrote:
This will be such an easy group for Rain. Three terrans that are all... either way past their prime or just plain bad. Hope Mind somehow manages to make it through, but I fear Sharp will take him down. Sea is just lucky he got this far and he will most certainly be eliminated 0-2.

On September 18 2018 19:20 TornadoSteve wrote:
Song: take my hand - simple hand

I would snap send my 4 first scvs to the same patch right away

On September 18 2018 19:14 Ikirouta wrote:
Can we get a 4th BW caster into korea so they don't have to bring this sc2 guy in?

Qikz or Vincent to Korea pls.

EDIT: maybe CadenZie casting too or smth.

On September 18 2018 19:26 Motivate wrote:
Cheesy Sharp

On September 18 2018 19:28 Turbovolver wrote:

Excuse me?

On September 18 2018 19:27 Ziggy wrote:
hang on, has the map been changed again? I thought neo transistor had wider ramps at the nat / main

On September 18 2018 19:32 nojok wrote:
Just tuning in, what did sharp do?

On September 18 2018 19:33 Turbovolver wrote:

Rain went straight into Nexus, Sharp punished by pulling a ton of SCVs, ~4 marines and a vulture. Rain had a shield battery up and another on the way, but his dragoon got trapped on the ramp and taken out, and that was the game.

On September 18 2018 19:44 byj wrote:
This is annoying:
Mind is blue ingame and on a red chair, Sea is red ingame and on a blue chair =\

On September 18 2018 19:44 byj wrote:
This is annoying:
Mind is blue ingame and on a red chair, Sea is red ingame and on a blue chair =\

On September 18 2018 19:50 Zariel wrote:
Finally. A decent TvT

Or maybe I'm feeling this way because i havent seen a good lengthy macro, tactical decision making game in a while

On September 18 2018 19:56 leublix wrote:
Is non-korean viewership dying or is everyone on yt?

On September 18 2018 20:02 Turbovolver wrote:

1500 on youtube.

On September 18 2018 20:25 TaardadAiel wrote:
Sharp had MUCH better positional sense, that sickle-cut maneuver in the bottom 1/3 of the center was so gratifying. He must've read Guderian's books. The moment he had a semi-solid position so as to close access to the third main and was not facing a dropship fleet, he had the game in his favor. Great job, he's an amazing TvT player.

On September 18 2018 20:28 nojok wrote:

Imo it was mostly because of the map lay out. Sharp's third was easy to defend as the tanks on highground still provided some coverage of the centre of the map, then the 4th was further away in a rather hard spot ro acess for a group of vultures. Meanwhile sea's 3rd would have required dead units to defend it and his 4th and 5th bases were much harder to defend.

On September 18 2018 20:34 oEkY wrote:


Are those 3rd bases really on highground? i thought that i read somewhere in another thread that it is some kind of fake-highground with no advantage?!

On September 18 2018 20:36 nojok wrote:

I don't know so you're probably right but the tanks at sharp's 3rd still defended the base while having a presence on the centre.

On September 18 2018 20:27 Timebon3s wrote:
Ok now for the best game of the day!! This is gonna be a long ass PvT macro game ffs. Nice interview, Sharp seems like a cool dood

On September 18 2018 20:59 TaardadAiel wrote:
That was a very entertaining game, if scrappy. And now I have to cheer for Sea!

On September 18 2018 21:01 M2 wrote:

I also like sea, but its better for the tournament if rain advances

On September 18 2018 21:27 Timebon3s wrote:
Hes throwing away units to keep terran at bay while expanding...seems like a good strat to me

On September 18 2018 21:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:
what an odd game from rain, like everything seemed off, took him forever to get zealot speed, suicide attacks and that ridiculous offensive recall

On September 18 2018 21:33 leublix wrote:
I don't get that decision to counterattack.

On September 18 2018 21:36 TaardadAiel wrote:

I think the whole point was to have inefficient trades behind a strong economy and starve Terran out while simultaneously never allowing a critical mass with upgrades to push out. Sea never got to push, really. Rain threw his whole army to whittle down the mech and kill the armories, then he threw himself on the 3rd, then the offensive recall, then he counterattacked the 6 o'clock at the only point in the game where Sea had a big mech ball. He even held him in the middle of the map. Interesting style, but REALLY ugly, lacks finesse.

On September 18 2018 21:45 BlackJack wrote:
Absolutely love Rain's strategy. When you have unlimited economy vs Terran the way you lose isn't by losing your army, it's by losing your buildings/bases. The way Terran wants to kill you is by reaching a critical mass, destroying your entire army in one big fight, and then marching onto your bases before you can re-max. Rain did 2 things very well, 1) make sure he attacked any time he was maxed out and 2) make sure the fighting occurred as far away from his bases as possible. He can trade inefficiently all day as long as Terran doesn't kill his bases.

On September 18 2018 21:51 Timebon3s wrote:
I'm sure if we watched Rain play in first person, we wouldn't see to much army controll either, he was most likely focusing on macro. He was expanding, building gates, setting rally points, producing units and so on, all over the map.
Might as well focus your attention on that, and just send your units into sea and wear him down with all that shit you end up producing.

On September 18 2018 21:33 Timebon3s wrote:
Yeah thats what I was saying, it wasnt close like they say. He was building shit all over the place while throwing shit at sea so he couldt do anything.

On September 18 2018 22:00 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
i agree that some of the trades could have been more efficient, on the other hand the decision to constantly trade preventing terran to max is the right call. Rain's production was close to perfect and he never really lost a base.

On September 18 2018 22:47 Kaolla wrote:


Not quite true, Sea was actually maxed a few times I think, like when he crossed the bridges. I think by no means Rain played that great here, it's just that Sea is pretty poor these days unfortunately.

On September 18 2018 22:55 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:


Sea was maxed with empty bank and at least 2 times slower production than Rain. I mean even trading evenly but on the Terran's side of the map means advantage for protoss who can remax by the time Terran moves out.

On September 19 2018 00:50 Tchado wrote:


Yeah man , this is the 2nd time this happened, im starting to see what youtubers have been complaining about for years , you can still watch the vod on afreeca w/ english comments

On September 19 2018 01:45 O.P. wrote:

Is there a link? The app only let's me watch the Korean vids.

On September 19 2018 02:17 Brainojack wrote:


The first page of this thread has the English Afreeca link

also here

On September 19 2018 05:43 Odoakar wrote:
What player did shady stuff?

On September 19 2018 07:28 sM.Zik wrote:


In my opinion, no one did.

On September 19 2018 04:41 nurle wrote:
This noregret guy tho is awesome.

On September 18 2018 22:46 Kaolla wrote:


Yep, this is so true. That game was over for a loooooong time, but the commentators didn't really realize that and thought Sea was still in it and even thought he had a good chance to win it despite being down to like 100 supply. Rain was never in danger there unless he fucked up in much much bigger ways. And Sea was gonna run out of money pretty soon too.

On September 19 2018 18:00 A.Alm wrote:
---SPOILERS---

Wow, Sharp is looking very strong, while Rain is looking surprisingly week. Sharp has been doing a lot of meditation lately, and it seems to work. I know a lot of other people who have become just better people due to meditation. Really interesting.

I have a hard time seeing Rain doing well in upcoming tournaments tbh, esp since he went 0-4 vs JD too in KSL.

On September 19 2018 19:49 Dante08 wrote:
That last game was so weird. If Rain saturated his bottom right bases he would have run Sea over ages ago. Instead there were only a handful of probes there and he kept throwing his units away. The worst engagement was the recall at the nat right next to the Terran army.That did not make any sense whatsoever, if he recalls the main it deals so much more damage. Maybe he was afraid the Arbiter would get emp'ed but it's way better than losing your whole army.

On September 19 2018 10:04 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
Had to drop off before Rain vs Sea, but was really unimpressed with Rain vs Mind. His suicide of units that evened out supplies was pretty atrocious.
He had the advantage so he could afford the mistake. And I dont buy that it wasnt a mistake. Even if you are looking to trade inefficiently, there are plenty of opportunities to do so when the T moves out. In the meantime you can expand further and build up a bank.
Well, it wasnt that bad.. its always tricky assessing when an attack will work or not; which is what separates those with good game sense from those who dont.
I should probably give Rain a break but its hard to give him the benefit of the doubt when he does it so many times vs Zerg. And it sounds like he sort of did it again vs Sea too. Would have to watch it though.

On September 19 2018 04:41 nurle wrote:
Im sorry, but Rapid shouldn't cast sc1. He might be a great sc2 caster. But he doesn't know what hes talking about. Contradicting his cocasters and even himself all the time. And tiny details is missed every time. This noregret guy tho is awesome.

On September 19 2018 19:49 Dante08 wrote:
That last game was so weird. If Rain saturated his bottom right bases he would have run Sea over ages ago. Instead there were only a handful of probes there and he kept throwing his units away. The worst engagement was the recall at the nat right next to the Terran army.That did not make any sense whatsoever, if he recalls the main it deals so much more damage. Maybe he was afraid the Arbiter would get emp'ed but it's way better than losing your whole army.

On September 19 2018 21:51 BlackJack wrote:


Waiting for the Terran to move out to trade inefficiently sounds like a good way to get steamrolled. Having a bank isn't going to save you then.

On September 20 2018 05:21 TaardadAiel wrote:

In my opinion, Rain should have for no reason whatsoever done anything with bottom right. He had two gates there and was semi-saturated, this base was bait.

Remember when he desperately counterpushed at the 6 o'clocked after the botched offensive recall (decent idea in keeping with his overall strategy, bad execution - he got flustered because his arbiters were under fire and recalled terribly), so Sea had to backtrack to save his 4th? Right then Rain had the 12 and adjacent mineral only, and they were a big part of his income.

Think about Sea pushing after a bad recall or particularly inefficient trade, defending his 4th and then destroying the bottom right? This is a Terran dream, you can mine pretty well to stall reinforcements from top right and push into bottom right. He didn't need that base and Sea knew it, he never pushed in that direction.

Rain is a smart guy.

On September 20 2018 12:06 RKC wrote:
So what's the alternative to attacking when Protoss is maxed out besides expanding and teching (which Rain did) whilst the Terran is not actively expanding, pushing out or even fighting for map control (which Sea wasn't doing)?

On September 20 2018 12:47 Dante08 wrote:
Recall

On September 21 2018 05:22 Starecat wrote:
Do we have to wait until the finals to watch?

There is anyway to download and avoid the afreeca player that for no reason wants the video to always be on max something my internet can't do.

On September 19 2018 15:51 reincremate wrote:
Rain stupidly suiciding his armies is nothing new. He's blessed with strong mechanics but has comparatively poor decision-making that is sometimes hilariously bad, which is probably the result of too much time spent looking at titties and not enough time spent practicing. Here's a prime example of very Rain-esque play (ASL4 Ro8 Rain vs Larva Game 4): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9eCGElQJIM&t=5842
Not hating on the dude or anything, as I find his play entertaining to watch, but if he runs into Flash this time around, he's going to get stomped by superior preparation and overall gamesense.