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I like how Legend calls Larva "mentally ill", that's more offensive than anything larva did tbh.
Larva surely went a bit overboard with his bm i would agree with that. The problem i have is that zotac didn't do anything about it in the moment, it would have been easy to just pause the game and tell him to stop.
No they apparently were fine with larva's action until all the offended people in the world went onto the internet and started crying. Instant reaction after that. That's really bad in my eyes, i don't want to see people operating that way :/
So yes Larva was disrespectful, i still enjoyed it though. People like to get mad and organisations actually act on this outrage. That's the actual horrible thing here.
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maybe china will rise again and bw gets another billion government sanctioned pros.
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larva is absolutely mentally ill. there are no doubts about it.
Lx thank you for participating in this very low mentally event. thank you for being the real man unlike others. you did the great job. congratulations!
very soon if SCR is on WCG 2018 no one from the Republic of Korea will be in top3 or atleast on the first place. this is for sure. they will answer for this action and for their low level in the game. i really hope WCG 2018 will really be, including SCR and Flash can qualify to be won as many others known as "progamers" cause they are "so strong" ...
good luck to all of you
time will tell. it is waiting ...
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On December 05 2017 07:29 robotninzya wrote:
larva is absolutely mentally ill. there are no doubts about it.
Lx thank you for participating in this very low mentally event. thank you for being the real man unlike others. you did the great job. congratulations!
very soon if SCR is on WCG 2018 no one from the Republic of Korea will be in top3 or atleast on the first place. this is for sure. they will answer for this action and for their low level in the game. i really hope WCG 2018 will really be, including SCR and Flash can qualify to be won as many others known as "progamers" cause they are "so strong" ...
good luck to all of you
time will tell. it is waiting ...
Lol this is too funny. Imagine if larva BM actually does lead to huge Chinese broodwar investment to reclaim honor. Honestly that would be fucking awesome to see actual competition to Korea.
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I hope these chinese spam with 1 post will never stop.
Its a gold mine
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So did Larva win any money, or was the prize pool distributed only to the american players?
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I understand why some of you are mad about Larva but why are you so mad about him playing with foot but not mad about him offracing or doing fast nuke. Isn't this the same ? (looking down on opponent)
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On December 05 2017 09:55 KenZy wrote:
I understand why some of you are mad about Larva but why are you so mad about him playing with foot but not mad about him offracing or doing fast nuke. Isn't this the same ? (looking down on opponent)
I don't think there is any concrete definition (what constitutes as an insult) but I guess it's the difference between in-game trolling VS real life trolling. Foreigners have been trolled forever since forever really, it is kind of accepted as a norm these days (especially in the post-KESPA era). What happens in the game stays in the game... What larva did was kind of like taking the insult from the game itself to a more personal level...
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I want to come out and say my piece, I also met Larva and he was a nice guy he would actually come out looking for UltrA and talked to him and made a video for him to send to the SouL Gaming Zerg players. He was legitimately interested in making connections and friendships with the players he met at the event. He took the initiative to seek UltrA out to talk to him about his games and give him some small tips with his limited English and I agree if it was offensive it should have been stopped right then and there, not after the fact. Larva pretty much was culmination of the event the viewership has gone through the roof and Zotac has received way more exposure had larva not done what he did. Publicity is Publicity.
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Nice event. Although I'm still sad that when Nyoken couldn't make it they didn't wait for me to get off of work before they decided to invite Jaeyun. I could have went, just wasn't able to reply to a PM at 8 am.
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I understand both sides.
Larva just wants to be a showman and from his history we know he has quite the antics. Apparently he had asked too and even if it was lost in translation, its looking very probable that he wasn't doing it to humiliate his opponent but just to entertain.
However for lx, it must be soul crushing to be dominated that hard. I think given some time to think about it he won't be very angry at Lava, pretty sure it was just pure frustration since no one wants to get beaten in such a fashion. Happens when theres such a wide skill gap.
Pretty sure the first time a 6 foot 10 kid dunked on me I went from despair -> anger -> acceptance
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People in general are too easily offended these days.
If you invite a top korean pro in a tournament where you also invite foreigners who haven't been playing in 7 or so years, what do you expect the games will look like?
Sure, Larva could have played straight up and completely stomped Lx that way too. Either way, no one in their right mind could have thought that this would be an exciting tournament (as far as who the winner will be).
If anything, the organizers are to blame. If you're looking for an exciting tournament, don't do invites and don't mix top korean pros with foreigners. You can't have it both ways.
I agree with Hawk's post:
On December 05 2017 04:35 Hawk2 wrote:
Larva did nothing wrong.
The skill gap is so large between Korea and the rest of the world that if you want competitive and close games you shouldn't put Koreans vs. Foreigners. This has been demonstrated many times throughout brood war history. Winning against Koreans is so rare that when a foreigner does win against a Korean in tournament the feat makes history and often becomes the crowning achievement of the foreign player.
I was under the impression that this is well understood and that Zotac invited a Korean for the purpose of creating entertaining, but not necessarily competitive matches.
I was wrong, the Zotac guys seemed really convinced before and after the tournament that the games were close and that there is only a small difference in skill between Larva/Korea and everyone else. Combine this with the naming convention of "Showmatch Event" which implies that the primary purpose was entertainment and we get what happened.
Larva, myself and other players were under the impression that the invite showmatch was primarily for entertainment. Larva especially had difficulty talking with much of the staff and players at Zotac due to the language barrier. And as shown on the stream the translator had a tendency to translate what was said more nicely and made it milder. Given all of this I'm not surprised that Larva thinks he asked for permission and was okay to mess around and Zotac thinks he didn't.
Larva did his best to show exactly what he thought he was supposed to show at the event. The tournament had ambiguous expectations and it's reasonable to think that a showmatch will or should have showmanship, which is Larva's specialty.
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I completely agree with Hawk, as that is first-hand perspective of what happened and most likely how the disparity was seen between both parties.
My thoughts on the event:
It was awesome seeing all the participants play, and also Fujikara showing up to translate for Ultra. Ultra played way better than I anticipated. Hawk & Dragon played well, but I think they would agree that they didn't play as well as they could have played. Cool to see Jaeyun play at a LAN event! Loved the zvz build against Michael and mentioning in the post-series interview that it was Larva's build he used vs Hero. I'm kinda disappointed that neither Terror or Dandy got to play in this, since either of them would have been favored to win, imo. Who knows, it's possible that they could have taken a game or two off of Larva, if Draco could.
Production was pretty bad tbh. It was most definitely grueling for the casters to be live for 12 hours both days and with all the prep work. It really didn't need to be. Plus all the downtime/production issues... but I do hope that this wasn't the only big Zotac event we will see in SC:R. There needs to be more events like this one, especially as I'm sure the production kinks will be sorted out going forward.
Overall, it was a great event and was awesome to see some local ("foreign") players show their skills on the big screen!
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if you dont train like the koreans do you wont see the results that the koreans do simple as that. There is a reason that they have always surpassed the foreigners. Also, from experience you can get games w/ koreans of high skill level if you are good yourself and become practice partners with them.
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Since everyone forgot about who won, congratulations to Michael. The CHEESEKING prevails!
Any chance at a Michael interview after the tournament?
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Hello Everyone,
Heads up, I will not be able to comment on the Larva/Legend situation. It’s a pretty delicate situation and, at present, is completely out of my hands.
I just wanted to clear up any confusion, as well give my take, on some things that were mentioned by Hawk and Demurity.
The goal of the North American/ South American tournament, was to answer one basic question: Currently and arguably, who is the best player in the NA/SA region? The champion Michael “CheeseKing”, was able to answer this for us. Thank you and congratulations to Michael, you are an amazing Zerg player.
The “Invitational Show Match”, was introduced with the goal and intent to answer another specific question: “At present, how well would the winner of the NA/SA, and other “foreigners” fare against a top Korean Pro Gamer?” If entertainment was the primary goal and focus of this event, then I could have easily organized this event to have the casters play against each other for an entertaining “show” match; however, this was not the case, skill and competitiveness was definitely what this “show” match was aiming for when setting this portion up.
Now, I’ am a bit confused when you mention “ZOTAC guys”, besides talking to me, who else gave you the impression that “ … there is only a small difference in skill between Larva/Korea and everyone else…”? I don’t think anyone from my team, besides myself, would be able to knowledgably talk to you about StarCraft and can give you this impression.
Now if it was me, which you mention as “ZOTAC guys”, then I guarantee you that I knew this well ahead of time, that Korean Pro Gamers are a cut above everyone else. Now I apologize, if the confusion stemmed from me attempting to reinforce other players by telling them “they can do it, they can beat larva, etc…” Would it have been better, if I told them they were going to lose? That they had no chance against Larva? I felt that encouraging all our players to do their best, regardless of their skill gap was the best course of action, as both a Esports manager and as a fellow gamer.
When I mentioned, that it was close, it was only referring to the matches Draco had vs Larva. Draco took 1 game from Larva on Troy and the 3rd match they played was actually pretty close. Was this not the case?
Again, I just wanted to clear up any confusion regarding what Hawk mentioned. It was my pleasure meeting everyone and seeing them compete at the event. Everyone did a great job and performed very well. I will be posting my personal thoughts and comments later, since I’ve got tons of things to handle post-event. Thanks for everything guys, in my 16 years of competitive gaming, I’ve never seen such a passionate and committed community as I have seen with the StarCraft Broodwars community. You guys are the best.
Congrats Michael and Dragon!
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You clearly don't understand! It was a showmatch, which requires one player to juggle beer bottles while blindfolded and playing with his feet so that the audience be entertained and saved from a 3-0 snorefest at the hands of another faceless Korean /s
Thanks for setting the whole thing up, it was a blast to watch!
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On December 01 2017 17:19 FlaShFTW wrote:
Jaeyun is taking the place of Nyoken. Jaeyun is a UCSD graduate who carried his team to a CSL win in 2009 and a runner up in 2010. GO JAEYUN!
Were you one of the tournament organizers or in charge of updates?
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On December 06 2017 04:30 EndingLife wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2017 17:19 FlaShFTW wrote:
Jaeyun is taking the place of Nyoken. Jaeyun is a UCSD graduate who carried his team to a CSL win in 2009 and a runner up in 2010. GO JAEYUN! Were you one of the tournament organizers or in charge of updates?
No. I am jaeyuns irl friend and he posted this stuff in our ucsd starcraft fb group
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On December 06 2017 06:24 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2017 04:30 EndingLife wrote:On December 01 2017 17:19 FlaShFTW wrote:
Jaeyun is taking the place of Nyoken. Jaeyun is a UCSD graduate who carried his team to a CSL win in 2009 and a runner up in 2010. GO JAEYUN! Were you one of the tournament organizers or in charge of updates? No. I am jaeyuns irl friend and he posted this stuff in our ucsd starcraft fb group
Okay, just wondering. Thank you!
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