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ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
April 12 2017 11:01 GMT
#61
Shine's only advantage is spores, he should try to counter
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51449 Posts
April 12 2017 11:03 GMT
#62
make queens nest someone.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51449 Posts
April 12 2017 11:03 GMT
#63
ITS ON BITCH
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
coolprogrammingstuff
Profile Joined December 2015
906 Posts
April 12 2017 11:03 GMT
#64
This is like their last game
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
April 12 2017 11:04 GMT
#65
Outsider might have been a good ZvP map but Outsider SE is a piece of garbage that should have never seen the light of day, much less been revived as an official ASL map.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51449 Posts
April 12 2017 11:05 GMT
#66
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
April 12 2017 11:05 GMT
#67
Ensnare coulda changed the outcome there
rand0MPrecisi0n
Profile Joined February 2017
313 Posts
April 12 2017 11:07 GMT
#68
On April 12 2017 19:49 tanngard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2017 19:43 Heartland wrote:
On April 12 2017 19:36 tanngard wrote:
On April 12 2017 19:28 Heartland wrote:
On April 12 2017 19:27 tanngard wrote:
Why do we NEVER see P building cannons in a defensive gamble? He could cancel them when he gets more information even (cannons take a long time to build). Am i wrong about this? Do P sometimes gamble? I feel that the gamble is always to skip cannons rather than to add them.


Investing that many minerals in the early game really hurts you, though. So you could lose the game from doing that.

But thats the point. If P follow that logic EVERY time and skip cannons (i'm talking about when P is playing in the blind ofc), Z can just hydra bust him because of it. And then you are dead, so no worries about your economy. Thats why a am asking why dont P do the opposite gamble sometimes? Is it just me who feels this?


I'm no expert but I'd probably say that it's better to die occasionally to hydra busts than to do a lot to your own defensive cannoning.

What i am saying is that i think we see these kinds of games too much. That is a consequense off Ps predictability following the logic that you described. But i cannot recall seeing a P just suddenly adding 4-5 cannons without information off what Z is doing. Z is hurting their economy too by building hydras, so why not do the defensive cannon gamble when your scout is denied?


I think the problem with that is that the z can just suicide a ling to see how many cannons you have. If they see you're gambling they just go back to droning and you're screwed. There's no way for P to deny scout early so they're stuck between a rock and a hard place
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
April 12 2017 11:09 GMT
#69
It's your time old papa free, please <3
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rand0MPrecisi0n
Profile Joined February 2017
313 Posts
April 12 2017 11:09 GMT
#70
It may be possible to make the cannons after hydras would normally be hatching though
rand0MPrecisi0n
Profile Joined February 2017
313 Posts
April 12 2017 11:10 GMT
#71
Theoretically it's correct to do defensive gambles once in a while to keep your opponent guessing
tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
April 12 2017 11:17 GMT
#72
On April 12 2017 20:07 rand0MPrecisi0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2017 19:49 tanngard wrote:
On April 12 2017 19:43 Heartland wrote:
On April 12 2017 19:36 tanngard wrote:
On April 12 2017 19:28 Heartland wrote:
On April 12 2017 19:27 tanngard wrote:
Why do we NEVER see P building cannons in a defensive gamble? He could cancel them when he gets more information even (cannons take a long time to build). Am i wrong about this? Do P sometimes gamble? I feel that the gamble is always to skip cannons rather than to add them.


Investing that many minerals in the early game really hurts you, though. So you could lose the game from doing that.

But thats the point. If P follow that logic EVERY time and skip cannons (i'm talking about when P is playing in the blind ofc), Z can just hydra bust him because of it. And then you are dead, so no worries about your economy. Thats why a am asking why dont P do the opposite gamble sometimes? Is it just me who feels this?


I'm no expert but I'd probably say that it's better to die occasionally to hydra busts than to do a lot to your own defensive cannoning.

What i am saying is that i think we see these kinds of games too much. That is a consequense off Ps predictability following the logic that you described. But i cannot recall seeing a P just suddenly adding 4-5 cannons without information off what Z is doing. Z is hurting their economy too by building hydras, so why not do the defensive cannon gamble when your scout is denied?


I think the problem with that is that the z can just suicide a ling to see how many cannons you have. If they see you're gambling they just go back to droning and you're screwed. There's no way for P to deny scout early so they're stuck between a rock and a hard place

That is a good point, but i still cannot accept that P should just concede every time they lose their scout. They just cannot be that predictable. I have to study this more closely to understand exactly what Snow could have done differently. But i dont play BW so its difficult for me. Could not P cancel their cannons when they get more information with the Corsair? Snow could have done that i think. But then again he has to sacrifice something to build all those cannons AND rush to corsair? Any P expert here that could illuminate us?
tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
April 12 2017 11:18 GMT
#73
On April 12 2017 20:10 rand0MPrecisi0n wrote:
Theoretically it's correct to do defensive gambles once in a while to keep your opponent guessing

Yes i agree very much on this. But i feel i never see it? I have to pay more attention to this in the future
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51693 Posts
April 12 2017 11:31 GMT
#74
not surprised by snow's reaver control - he was the guy who broke legionnaire's kill record
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Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2753 Posts
April 12 2017 11:31 GMT
#75
lol, free hasn't given up yet?
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
xccam
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Great Britain1154 Posts
April 12 2017 11:33 GMT
#76
On April 12 2017 20:31 Terrorbladder wrote:
lol, free hasn't given up yet?

Looking at his body language and reactions earlier he has given up, he just hasn't lost the game yet and doesn't want to go out in the first round.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10563 Posts
April 12 2017 11:36 GMT
#77
and the free fall (get it) continues.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
April 12 2017 11:38 GMT
#78
It sucks how much marketing from 2008-2009 has stuck in the minds of the audience (and Tastosis). It's lead to some crazy unrealistic standards about who's good and who isn't.
lamarine
Profile Joined January 2003
591 Posts
April 12 2017 11:38 GMT
#79
On April 12 2017 19:38 FlaShFTW wrote:
god free is so bad these days.

he's actually really good during streams. And he's still a PvZ god. But today was really disappointing=(
So... BW is back
coolprogrammingstuff
Profile Joined December 2015
906 Posts
April 12 2017 11:42 GMT
#80
On April 12 2017 20:31 GTR wrote:
not surprised by snow's reaver control - he was the guy who broke legionnaire's kill record


what game was that in again? I vaguely remember it. Was it vs Jaedong?
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