On January 22 2017 19:04 sharkie wrote: My biggest problem with ZvT has always been: I see terran screw up early to mid game and still win in the end (because of tanks). But I rarely ever saw zergs screw up early to mid game and win in the late game. If that doesn't say something about the matchup then I don't know what does.
On January 19 2017 18:47 Jae Zedong wrote: It's hilarous how a top Zerg literally cannot win a standard game against a top Terran unless the Terran misplays. Every game that was standard, Flash won handily. Only games JD won were a cheesy hydra all-in and a highly non-standard lurker drop into Flash going full dropship. Jaedong has been handicapped by the ZvT matchup his entire career. His talent is on par with Flash, but because the game works against him in ZvT Flash has won far more.
I'm not much for tinkering with balance, but if I had to make one change it would be to lower the HP of medics to 40. It would allow for more more effective medic sniping (akin to thrilling templar sniping) while not affecting the TvP matchup at all.
These are small changes that should go into the alarmingly one-sided matchup and should help, and look for bigger changes later down the road if need be. To summarize:
0. Medics 40 health (your suggestion) 1. Tank damage decreased to 55 and splash also reduced 2. Hydras gain new passive that reduces regeneration / healing 3. Vulture gains more armored damage, but costs 100 minerals 4. Terran buildings require 100/100 investment tech to lift. 5. Ultralisks can stand over small obstacles 6. SCV health reduced to 45
ZvT does lean T ever so slightly, but many of those suggestions would cause problems in other places, such as TvP, where 55 damage, reduced-splash Siege Tanks would be a disaster for T vs massed goons, massed zels, or both.
I'd agree that the Medic heal rate is a little too high, and maybe Irradiate could be de-buffed a tiny bit around the edges, but much beyond that, you're screwing things up, not helping.
And of course, it's highly unlikely that there are going to be balance changes in the new patch in any case. But, they are fun to talk about.
You may have a point on the tanks. I want to be able to change up ZvT without affecting TvP too much. TvP is in a fairly good state
On January 22 2017 19:04 sharkie wrote: My biggest problem with ZvT has always been: I see terran screw up early to mid game and still win in the end (because of tanks). But I rarely ever saw zergs screw up early to mid game and win in the late game. If that doesn't say something about the matchup then I don't know what does.
Isnt it the same for PvT?
no, PvT is fairly balanced matchup. Actually the most balanced non-mirror matchup. If T does 2 fact opening and fails, he'll most likely lose the game. Same for a P with a failed DT cheese.
On January 21 2017 19:45 Pleasuremann wrote: Do you see Esports as different? Perhaps that the prominent and exceptional figures within it should not be subject to the same inherent rigors and scrutinies of their professional athlete contemporaries? If so, why?
First, Flash isn't even a professional gamer anymore. These guys are more entertainers than anything now.
Second, Flash makes his money directly from his fans, and from interacting with his fans. He doesn't really get to choose to "tune out" the noise because he has to read through the same chatbox the trolls are spamming him in to interact with his real fans to maximize his earnings. This is completely different than professional athletes who make their money through contracts and sponsorships, and almost never directly make a dime off of their fans. It's like if LeBron had to physically wade through the crowd of haters at every away game in order to talk to the Cavs fans who would then pay him his salary.
Third, most people on this thread are making way too big a deal out of something Flash said once. We have no idea how serious he is, or if he was simply letting off steam because he was emotionally wrought after a very stressful series.
Overall, the equivalence you're drawing here doesn't make sense once you peel beyond the superficial "top gamer <==> top professional athlete".
And honestly, if LeBron could make equally as much money as he did now without having to put up with what he does, I bet he at least seriously considers it. He's also said stupid stuff he didn't mean when he wasn't feeling well, like after the Heat lost to the Mavs and he said that all the people rooting for him to fail would still have to go back to their lives tomorrow, in a way that implied their lives suck.
You're basically taking the most generous interpretation of pro athletes, and the least generous interpretation of a thing Flash said literally once, and building your case around those starting points, which feels pretty flawed.
Good points all around, and thank you for your thoughtful response.
First, it IS false equivalency to equate athletes with entertainers in this instance. I won't deny it-I was aggrandizing to make a point. Second, it IS just one little comment Flash made which has contextual elements we can't be fully aware of. I didn't have any issue with the comment he made beyond feeling a little sympathy. I had an issue with what followed - a seemingly hyper-vigilant trove of commentors whom immediately pointed at the apparent inequality of the dynamic in which he is making his living.
It is fine to come rushing to your hero's side as a fan; but the responses just seemed a little like a mother coddling their child.
I understand better now that the streamers must virtually come in contact with their fans to make their money. I also understand that there are intrinsic and inalienable hardships that come with being in the public eye, regardless of one's profession. You can say it's not a profession if you like, but these people are still exchanging their time and services for a purpose which yields revenue.
There was also an assumption about Lebron in there that we can't ever verify.
It could be said that atheletes never directly make a dime off their fans. But they implicitly make millions off of them. Wthout viewership, there would be no league; at least not what it is now. Without ad revenue and gear sales, there would similarly be no sponsorships as we know them. Fans drive the machinery upon which professional sports are built. In streaming, the money comes explicitly from the fans. In sports, it comes implicitly. But the money still comes from the fans and ends up in the player's pocket. It just changes hands a few times.
With respect to having a buffer between athletes and fans which is not afforded to streamers and fans - give me a break. The hate coming from the internet and not real life IS the buffer. In our theoretical experiment here, there's a difference between Flash having to look at a wall of text and Lebron physically maneuvering himself through hating, spiteful fans to get his money. It's nothing like that. That is also false equivalency.
In the end I agree it is ridiculous to even be talking about this as it is ultimately pointless.
This is ridiculous argument. ZvT may be a bit favored towards terran but flash has said that right before his ro4 with jaedong he practiced with effort and other zergs and they were killing him everytime he went 5 barrack +1. The most reasonable solution to this imbalance is to END the usage of fighting spirit. This map is so garbage for zergs. its so easy for terrans to defend 4 bases when they are mech switching. The rush distance is also ridiculously short which enables terran to effectively execute timing attacks. Circuit breaker needs to be the new most popular map
On January 25 2017 05:24 Shinokuki wrote: This is ridiculous argument. ZvT may be a bit favored towards terran but flash has said that right before his ro4 with jaedong he practiced with effort and other zergs and they were killing him everytime he went 5 barrack +1. The most reasonable solution to this imbalance is to END the usage of fighting spirit. This map is so garbage for zergs. its so easy for terrans to defend 4 bases when they are mech switching. The rush distance is also ridiculously short which enables terran to effectively execute timing attacks. Circuit breaker needs to be the new most popular map
Im fine with CB as long as they remake in the jungle tileset with narrow ramps
Woah. I cannot believe how poorly many of you evaluate this series. This series highlighted ZERO of the T>Z dynamics. Literally zero.
This series was decided by strategic decisions and micro. Flash, at this point in time, is clearly playing more solid then Jaedong, and even still mistakes cost Jaedong the series.
In one game, Jaedong made a horrible decision to start his lurker upgrade after his hive (or he just plain forgot it). His Muta micro was subpar for him and for a korean live event - his match strategy was interesting and almost paid off. He did show some of the one of a kind decisive actions that like Tasteless said, propelled him to the top in his first few starleagues.
Terran does have some very clear areas of dominance T>Z but so many of you have tears on your keyboards for all of the wrong reasons. This wasn't mech abuse, this wasn't map splitting mass ira - this was an MMA fight where the figher who fought better won.
In ladder games, we see more abusive play by both terrans and zerg but very rarely do the top level zergs lose because of the game is broken.
P.S - My fellow brothers and sisters of the brood, if you only do 1 build every game and expect to break even against equal opposition .... then you deserve the loses you get.
+1, I reached s2 semis about 2 months ago but couldn't find english vod anywhere, so couldn't watch it. If anyone can provide it, it would be greatly appreciated!
I searched around for some time for a better VOD but unfortunately it looks there is no other English VOD for this. Usually when the youtube video is choppy, you can just watch the Afreeca VODs instead, they never have these lags you occasionally see on the Youtube VODs but the videos on http://bj.afreecatv.com/aslenglish only go back to ASL4. I think it was around that time that they merged their Afreeca global site with the normal one and deleted the channels they used for the English broadcasts up to that point in time. So you probably have to watch the Korean version, if you want to watch the games: http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/17379689
Here is a link I found that is plagued with ads but has no lag. It's also possible you could sync the laggy Youtube sound in English with the smooth running Afreeca vods.
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