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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
January 03 2017 12:32 GMT
#341
that was definitely all-in, if he had gotten the third then best would have been starved to one base but luckily he had zealots on his third
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 03 2017 12:33 GMT
#342
On January 03 2017 21:27 Vuk_91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2017 21:24 classicyellow83 wrote:
On January 03 2017 21:22 Vuk_91 wrote:
Hero needed to kill the templar archives and then control the ramp with those hydras. The main was 95% mined out, I really don't understand what was the point of killing that nexus.

It really doesn't matter. Hero lost when hydraling all-in failed.

I'm not sure. Best also had a failed attack from a semi-all in... I mean if you go for 7-8 gateways from 2 bases, and you don't kill a zerg, you're not in the best shape.

I don't know if I'm the only one but it feels like zergs can learn to scout more. Like, the attack on hero's third, hero could've had much better positioning but he scouted late and had best control the bigger ramp etc...
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-03 13:32:27
January 03 2017 12:39 GMT
#343
On January 03 2017 21:12 [[Starlight]] wrote:
I wonder how big this ASL is in Korea right now? Is it getting coverage, now that the big boys are back?




League of Legends is the biggest e-Sport, and the current game Ongamenet is milking money off from. Afreeca, Korea's answer to Twitch, is quite a successful platform for ex-professional players who played Brood War. Terror[fOu] is basically biggest streaming personality in Korea (although his content is not that reliant on Brood War, he has his roots), and the Brood War is among the most watched games on Afreeca, and more importantly, Brood War streamers tend to have more success getting donations than League of Legends streamers due to the older age of the average Brood War fan. All this vibrant scene we see today are literally built off from the pockets of old school Brood War Korean fanbase.

Today's round of eight had around 100,000 viewers isn't that far off from the online viewership of around 300,000 viewers or so for the finals of LCK finals (if my research was correct, not sure), which is the biggest domestic League of Legends competition in Korea. For a scene that is existing almost solely due its presence on a Korean streaming site, it's doing okay.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
January 03 2017 12:52 GMT
#344
On January 03 2017 21:39 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2017 21:12 [[Starlight]] wrote:
I wonder how big this ASL is in Korea right now? Is it getting coverage, now that the big boys are back?




League of Legends is the biggest e-Sport, and the current game Ongamenet is milking money off from. Afreeca, Korea's answer to Twitch, is quite a successful platform for ex-professional players who played Brood War. Terror[fOu] is basically biggest streaming personality in Korea (although his content is not that reliant on Brood War, he has his roots), and the Brood War is among the most watched games on Afreeca, and more importantly, Brood War streamers tend to have more success getting donations than League of Legends streamers due to the older age of the average Brood War fan. All this vibrant scene we see today are literally built off from the pockets of old school Brood War Korean fanbase.

Today's round of eight had around 100,000 viewers isn't that far off from the online viewership of around 300,000 viewers or so for the finals of LCK finals (if my research was correct, not sure), which is the biggest domestic League of Legends competition in Korea. For a scene that is existing almost solely existing due its presence on a Korean streaming site, it's doing okay.

How likely is it that there will be a next step though? Another big tournament with sponsor support or something like that? If not now when the hype about TBLS is there probably never right?
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
January 03 2017 12:53 GMT
#345
On January 03 2017 21:39 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2017 21:12 [[Starlight]] wrote:
I wonder how big this ASL is in Korea right now? Is it getting coverage, now that the big boys are back?




League of Legends is the biggest e-Sport, and the current game Ongamenet is milking money off from. Afreeca, Korea's answer to Twitch, is quite a successful platform for ex-professional players who played Brood War. Terror[fOu] is basically biggest streaming personality in Korea (although his content is not that reliant on Brood War, he has his roots), and the Brood War is among the most watched games on Afreeca, and more importantly, Brood War streamers tend to have more success getting donations than League of Legends streamers due to the older age of the average Brood War fan. All this vibrant scene we see today are literally built off from the pockets of old school Brood War Korean fanbase.

Today's round of eight had around 100,000 viewers isn't that far off from the online viewership of around 300,000 viewers or so for the finals of LCK finals (if my research was correct, not sure), which is the biggest domestic League of Legends competition in Korea. For a scene that is existing almost solely existing due its presence on a Korean streaming site, it's doing okay.

glad to hear this
POGGERS
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
January 03 2017 13:05 GMT
#346
I'm not sure if anyone's already mentioned this, but the "full results" spoiler in the OP doesn't seem to be displaying correctly in the last 2 threads.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
January 03 2017 13:09 GMT
#347
Perhaps time to upgrade BeSt's nick to 'BeaSt'.

User was warned for being hilarious
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19299 Posts
January 03 2017 13:14 GMT
#348
On January 03 2017 21:39 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2017 21:12 [[Starlight]] wrote:
I wonder how big this ASL is in Korea right now? Is it getting coverage, now that the big boys are back?




League of Legends is the biggest e-Sport, and the current game Ongamenet is milking money off from. Afreeca, Korea's answer to Twitch, is quite a successful platform for ex-professional players who played Brood War. Terror[fOu] is basically biggest streaming personality in Korea (although his content is not that reliant on Brood War, he has his roots), and the Brood War is among the most watched games on Afreeca, and more importantly, Brood War streamers tend to have more success getting donations than League of Legends streamers due to the older age of the average Brood War fan. All this vibrant scene we see today are literally built off from the pockets of old school Brood War Korean fanbase.

Today's round of eight had around 100,000 viewers isn't that far off from the online viewership of around 300,000 viewers or so for the finals of LCK finals (if my research was correct, not sure), which is the biggest domestic League of Legends competition in Korea. For a scene that is existing almost solely existing due its presence on a Korean streaming site, it's doing okay.

Every other post on my facebook is showing coverage of Sea's win on a different media site. It's pretty awesome to see this.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 03 2017 13:17 GMT
#349
Better late than never
Poll: Recommend game 3?

yes (17)
 
100%

no (0)
 
0%

17 total votes

Your vote: Recommend game 3?

(Vote): yes
(Vote): no


Poll: Recommend game 4?

yes (15)
 
83%

no (3)
 
17%

18 total votes

Your vote: Recommend game 4?

(Vote): yes
(Vote): no



Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 03 2017 13:19 GMT
#350
On January 03 2017 22:05 sparklyresidue wrote:
I'm not sure if anyone's already mentioned this, but the "full results" spoiler in the OP doesn't seem to be displaying correctly in the last 2 threads.

fixed, thanks ^^
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-03 13:25:12
January 03 2017 13:23 GMT
#351
On January 03 2017 21:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2017 21:39 Letmelose wrote:
On January 03 2017 21:12 [[Starlight]] wrote:
I wonder how big this ASL is in Korea right now? Is it getting coverage, now that the big boys are back?




League of Legends is the biggest e-Sport, and the current game Ongamenet is milking money off from. Afreeca, Korea's answer to Twitch, is quite a successful platform for ex-professional players who played Brood War. Terror[fOu] is basically biggest streaming personality in Korea (although his content is not that reliant on Brood War, he has his roots), and the Brood War is among the most watched games on Afreeca, and more importantly, Brood War streamers tend to have more success getting donations than League of Legends streamers due to the older age of the average Brood War fan. All this vibrant scene we see today are literally built off from the pockets of old school Brood War Korean fanbase.

Today's round of eight had around 100,000 viewers isn't that far off from the online viewership of around 300,000 viewers or so for the finals of LCK finals (if my research was correct, not sure), which is the biggest domestic League of Legends competition in Korea. For a scene that is existing almost solely existing due its presence on a Korean streaming site, it's doing okay.

How likely is it that there will be a next step though? Another big tournament with sponsor support or something like that? If not now when the hype about TBLS is there probably never right?


There is no next step. Professional Brood War was built off the fact that BoxeR had just as much mainstream popularity and exposure as the celebrities during his prime, Brood War being the national pastime for years (not just the most played videogame like League of Legends is currently), and the right people, with the right ideas came together to build the scene from the ground up, until it could only make sense for the large sponsors such as Shinhan bank, and SK Telecom to join in the fun, and get some cheap exposure and good will from the enormous, passionate fan-base.

With nobody in the scene quite managing to carry the torch from BoxeR, the game losing its popularity over the years, sAviOr making the national news for all the wrong reasons, and Blizzard wanting Korea to adopt Starcraft 2 in place of Brood War as its main e-Sports title, all work put in by millions came crashing down like a house of cards. League of Legends has now filled its void. Any kid dreaming of being a professional gamer now dreams of being the next Faker, not BoxeR.

Afreeca is the only place to go for ex-professionals, and fans of Brood War. It's quite sizeable, especially since a lot of us miss Brood War, and the generous Brood War fans who are helping these Brood War streamers become some of the most successful on Afreeca, are not the kids playing the game in PC bangs anymore. Everything is coming out of the pockets of these generous fans of Brood War, and it's mostly for nostalgia's sake. There are no big sponsors willing to put in all that blood, sweat, and tears needed to rejuvinate this scene to the position it once had. There are only those who see this as an opportunity to leech money off from since its viewerbase now has some purchasing prowess, or those who returned to the scene after turning their backs to it when it was literally being killed against the wills of the fans, who quietly have resuscitated it to its current level today purely for the love of the game. I don't think you can ask any more from those generous fans. They have already suffered so much, and offered nothing but love. Just enjoy what you can, do what you can do to help the scene if you care about its growth, and be wary of those sick fucks who try to make their pockets fuller at the cost of anything, even the death of the scene.
TL+ Member
CUTtheCBC
Profile Joined December 2016
Canada91 Posts
January 03 2017 13:33 GMT
#352
I think some Big Sponsors (tm) could come back when they see that the BW revival is real and TLBS are all back etc etc..

of course it will never be as big as before, but who cares?
Brood War's Back, YEA!
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6180 Posts
January 03 2017 13:59 GMT
#353
On January 03 2017 22:23 Letmelose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2017 21:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 03 2017 21:39 Letmelose wrote:
On January 03 2017 21:12 [[Starlight]] wrote:
I wonder how big this ASL is in Korea right now? Is it getting coverage, now that the big boys are back?




League of Legends is the biggest e-Sport, and the current game Ongamenet is milking money off from. Afreeca, Korea's answer to Twitch, is quite a successful platform for ex-professional players who played Brood War. Terror[fOu] is basically biggest streaming personality in Korea (although his content is not that reliant on Brood War, he has his roots), and the Brood War is among the most watched games on Afreeca, and more importantly, Brood War streamers tend to have more success getting donations than League of Legends streamers due to the older age of the average Brood War fan. All this vibrant scene we see today are literally built off from the pockets of old school Brood War Korean fanbase.

Today's round of eight had around 100,000 viewers isn't that far off from the online viewership of around 300,000 viewers or so for the finals of LCK finals (if my research was correct, not sure), which is the biggest domestic League of Legends competition in Korea. For a scene that is existing almost solely existing due its presence on a Korean streaming site, it's doing okay.

How likely is it that there will be a next step though? Another big tournament with sponsor support or something like that? If not now when the hype about TBLS is there probably never right?


There is no next step. Professional Brood War was built off the fact that BoxeR had just as much mainstream popularity and exposure as the celebrities during his prime, Brood War being the national pastime for years (not just the most played videogame like League of Legends is currently), and the right people, with the right ideas came together to build the scene from the ground up, until it could only make sense for the large sponsors such as Shinhan bank, and SK Telecom to join in the fun, and get some cheap exposure and good will from the enormous, passionate fan-base.

With nobody in the scene quite managing to carry the torch from BoxeR, the game losing its popularity over the years, sAviOr making the national news for all the wrong reasons, and Blizzard wanting Korea to adopt Starcraft 2 in place of Brood War as its main e-Sports title, all work put in by millions came crashing down like a house of cards. League of Legends has now filled its void. Any kid dreaming of being a professional gamer now dreams of being the next Faker, not BoxeR.

Afreeca is the only place to go for ex-professionals, and fans of Brood War. It's quite sizeable, especially since a lot of us miss Brood War, and the generous Brood War fans who are helping these Brood War streamers become some of the most successful on Afreeca, are not the kids playing the game in PC bangs anymore. Everything is coming out of the pockets of these generous fans of Brood War, and it's mostly for nostalgia's sake. There are no big sponsors willing to put in all that blood, sweat, and tears needed to rejuvinate this scene to the position it once had. There are only those who see this as an opportunity to leech money off from since its viewerbase now has some purchasing prowess, or those who returned to the scene after turning their backs to it when it was literally being killed against the wills of the fans, who quietly have resuscitated it to its current level today purely for the love of the game. I don't think you can ask any more from those generous fans. They have already suffered so much, and offered nothing but love. Just enjoy what you can, do what you can do to help the scene if you care about its growth, and be wary of those sick fucks who try to make their pockets fuller at the cost of anything, even the death of the scene.

So did you believe we would get back to this point when professional broodwar was forcekilled?
Malkiyah
Profile Joined April 2012
Russian Federation92 Posts
January 03 2017 14:11 GMT
#354
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Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-03 14:21:14
January 03 2017 14:14 GMT
#355
On January 03 2017 22:59 Piste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2017 22:23 Letmelose wrote:
On January 03 2017 21:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 03 2017 21:39 Letmelose wrote:
On January 03 2017 21:12 [[Starlight]] wrote:
I wonder how big this ASL is in Korea right now? Is it getting coverage, now that the big boys are back?




League of Legends is the biggest e-Sport, and the current game Ongamenet is milking money off from. Afreeca, Korea's answer to Twitch, is quite a successful platform for ex-professional players who played Brood War. Terror[fOu] is basically biggest streaming personality in Korea (although his content is not that reliant on Brood War, he has his roots), and the Brood War is among the most watched games on Afreeca, and more importantly, Brood War streamers tend to have more success getting donations than League of Legends streamers due to the older age of the average Brood War fan. All this vibrant scene we see today are literally built off from the pockets of old school Brood War Korean fanbase.

Today's round of eight had around 100,000 viewers isn't that far off from the online viewership of around 300,000 viewers or so for the finals of LCK finals (if my research was correct, not sure), which is the biggest domestic League of Legends competition in Korea. For a scene that is existing almost solely existing due its presence on a Korean streaming site, it's doing okay.

How likely is it that there will be a next step though? Another big tournament with sponsor support or something like that? If not now when the hype about TBLS is there probably never right?


There is no next step. Professional Brood War was built off the fact that BoxeR had just as much mainstream popularity and exposure as the celebrities during his prime, Brood War being the national pastime for years (not just the most played videogame like League of Legends is currently), and the right people, with the right ideas came together to build the scene from the ground up, until it could only make sense for the large sponsors such as Shinhan bank, and SK Telecom to join in the fun, and get some cheap exposure and good will from the enormous, passionate fan-base.

With nobody in the scene quite managing to carry the torch from BoxeR, the game losing its popularity over the years, sAviOr making the national news for all the wrong reasons, and Blizzard wanting Korea to adopt Starcraft 2 in place of Brood War as its main e-Sports title, all work put in by millions came crashing down like a house of cards. League of Legends has now filled its void. Any kid dreaming of being a professional gamer now dreams of being the next Faker, not BoxeR.

Afreeca is the only place to go for ex-professionals, and fans of Brood War. It's quite sizeable, especially since a lot of us miss Brood War, and the generous Brood War fans who are helping these Brood War streamers become some of the most successful on Afreeca, are not the kids playing the game in PC bangs anymore. Everything is coming out of the pockets of these generous fans of Brood War, and it's mostly for nostalgia's sake. There are no big sponsors willing to put in all that blood, sweat, and tears needed to rejuvinate this scene to the position it once had. There are only those who see this as an opportunity to leech money off from since its viewerbase now has some purchasing prowess, or those who returned to the scene after turning their backs to it when it was literally being killed against the wills of the fans, who quietly have resuscitated it to its current level today purely for the love of the game. I don't think you can ask any more from those generous fans. They have already suffered so much, and offered nothing but love. Just enjoy what you can, do what you can do to help the scene if you care about its growth, and be wary of those sick fucks who try to make their pockets fuller at the cost of anything, even the death of the scene.

So did you believe we would get back to this point when professional broodwar was forcekilled?


Considering the initial success of streamers such as Terror[fOu], I thought it was indicative of the fact that Brood War fans still wanted Brood War content, but I didn't know if they could support the scene if it grew beyond a couple of players. I knew I wasn't able to, but was pleasantly surprised that Brood War streamers such as PuSan and Sea were making a decent living off streaming on Afreeca, and that success lured bigger names to try out streaming. I'm so greatful that while Brood War fans weren't strong enough to stop those bastards from killing the professional scene, they were successful in sustaining a streaming scene that is continuously growing. I was always aware of the passion Korean fans had for Brood War, but I wasn't aware of how deep their pockets were. I want to be one of those generous fans one day also, but I don't think the major sponsors have exactly the same idea in mind. The recourses they need to go through in order to make sufficient profit from this particular industry makes me incredibly suspicous whenever I see claims of interest in this growing scene that was almost entirely built off from fan support.
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classicyellow83
Profile Joined June 2016
United States2393 Posts
January 03 2017 14:18 GMT
#356
On January 03 2017 21:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2017 21:39 Letmelose wrote:
On January 03 2017 21:12 [[Starlight]] wrote:
I wonder how big this ASL is in Korea right now? Is it getting coverage, now that the big boys are back?




League of Legends is the biggest e-Sport, and the current game Ongamenet is milking money off from. Afreeca, Korea's answer to Twitch, is quite a successful platform for ex-professional players who played Brood War. Terror[fOu] is basically biggest streaming personality in Korea (although his content is not that reliant on Brood War, he has his roots), and the Brood War is among the most watched games on Afreeca, and more importantly, Brood War streamers tend to have more success getting donations than League of Legends streamers due to the older age of the average Brood War fan. All this vibrant scene we see today are literally built off from the pockets of old school Brood War Korean fanbase.

Today's round of eight had around 100,000 viewers isn't that far off from the online viewership of around 300,000 viewers or so for the finals of LCK finals (if my research was correct, not sure), which is the biggest domestic League of Legends competition in Korea. For a scene that is existing almost solely existing due its presence on a Korean streaming site, it's doing okay.

How likely is it that there will be a next step though? Another big tournament with sponsor support or something like that? If not now when the hype about TBLS is there probably never right?

They are gonna have [NeOx] vs Moo. Proleague style in pickup studio(where ASL is being held right now) soon. They haven't set a date yet but it will happen.
Reach!!! Come back to BW!!
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8594 Posts
January 03 2017 14:36 GMT
#357
On January 03 2017 20:13 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2017 20:12 sharkie wrote:
On January 03 2017 20:10 Miragee wrote:
Hm, BD just spoke about the most memorial 3-0 comback after being down 0-2. He said Effort vs Flash. For me it's probably Jaedong vs Fantasy. The games were much better and much more exciting for me.


Yeah but in JD vs fantasy people never stopped believing in JD.
No one in their right mind ever expected Effort to win three times in a row vs Flash, no matter what.


for me it was gorush vs nada from the iops osl semi-finals
how nada won the 3rd set on dream of balhae, i'll never figure out.
when i was talking to gorush at artosis' christmas party in 2015 i kept ribbing him about it and all he could say was 'nada is just god'


Just watched the first 3 games and I must say the level of play is just laughable compared to modern age (not talking about strategies here). No offense intended, the games were probably insane for that day and age. It's also hard to figure out how GoRush lost set 3. Nada was basicall on 1 base for 30 minutes of the game. Everytime he got a second one he lost the other. If anything GoRush lost because of 2 things. First, he didn't defend his bases at all. Losing a base to 4 marines without reacting, losing 7 drones and half of a hatches life to ONE marine and a medic... He didn't react at all to all those attacks. Secondly, hydras suck ass against marines. They may have killed a billion CCs but in fights they were so damn ineffecient. In one of the earlier fights for example he lost more than 20 hydras vs a control group of marines+ a few medics when he had like 4 control groups of hydras. That's how bad hydras are against marines. If you waste so many minerals then yeah, you can be 5 bases ahead and still lose the game.
Broodwar4lyf
Profile Blog Joined February 2016
304 Posts
January 03 2017 15:12 GMT
#358
Sponsors will eventually pick up on the viewership and how most people who watch BW have jobs and purchasing power which affect sales of their products. It won't probably be the younger crowd of LoL, but there's something there that can be attractive for sponsors, the community and pro scene just needs to be creative
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Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
January 03 2017 15:29 GMT
#359
On January 03 2017 23:36 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2017 20:13 GTR wrote:
On January 03 2017 20:12 sharkie wrote:
On January 03 2017 20:10 Miragee wrote:
Hm, BD just spoke about the most memorial 3-0 comback after being down 0-2. He said Effort vs Flash. For me it's probably Jaedong vs Fantasy. The games were much better and much more exciting for me.


Yeah but in JD vs fantasy people never stopped believing in JD.
No one in their right mind ever expected Effort to win three times in a row vs Flash, no matter what.


for me it was gorush vs nada from the iops osl semi-finals
how nada won the 3rd set on dream of balhae, i'll never figure out.
when i was talking to gorush at artosis' christmas party in 2015 i kept ribbing him about it and all he could say was 'nada is just god'


Just watched the first 3 games and I must say the level of play is just laughable compared to modern age (not talking about strategies here). No offense intended, the games were probably insane for that day and age. It's also hard to figure out how GoRush lost set 3. Nada was basicall on 1 base for 30 minutes of the game. Everytime he got a second one he lost the other. If anything GoRush lost because of 2 things. First, he didn't defend his bases at all. Losing a base to 4 marines without reacting, losing 7 drones and half of a hatches life to ONE marine and a medic... He didn't react at all to all those attacks. Secondly, hydras suck ass against marines. They may have killed a billion CCs but in fights they were so damn ineffecient. In one of the earlier fights for example he lost more than 20 hydras vs a control group of marines+ a few medics when he had like 4 control groups of hydras. That's how bad hydras are against marines. If you waste so many minerals then yeah, you can be 5 bases ahead and still lose the game.


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You can't judge these games with a modern context. Watch the above clip. With a modern context in mind, you'll probably blame the zerg for not doing the appropriate building placements to stop the vulture run-by, and realize that the game is mostly over once two vultures went inside the base.

However, it wasn't the case when you watched it live. This is was when the vulture micro-management we take for granted today wasn't even in the minds of the viewers as being possible. If you can understand Korean, you'll notice how instead of realizing that the zerg player is in deep shit, the commentator (one of the greatest around) proceeds to tell us how merely two vultures won't be able to do that much damage versus that many zerglings (because he wasn't aware of the level of micro-management that was possible), then is audibly surprised by the level of NaDa displays here (the level of which you probably won't even blink an eye after watching).

This is the commentary of an ex-professional who was actively playing the terran race at the top level (his last appearance in the top 16 was in 2002) only a few years before. Imagine how mind blowing it was for me (a casual viewer) when I first watched it. I didn't even comprehend why NaDa made vultures in the first place, and was blown away by what he could do with it, as was his opponent GoRush, by how hard he got whooped by it. All past games suck ass if you just try to view it from a modern perspective without knowing how many years of advancements it took for the game to reach the current level. I literally thought that the plays I was witnessing being executed at the hands of NaDa would never be surpassed by any player ever, that's how clean his play seemed to be at the time.

Otherwise every iconic moment in history becomes a piece of shit. Oh that BoxeR micro-management was so shit, what the hell was the zerg thinking. What's so amazing about iloveoov taking the natural off two barracks? It's called a natural for god's sake, it's the obvious thing to do. Bisu build? What is that newb sAviOr doing building mutalisks against corsair dark templar combination? Is he retarded?
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