[41 SL4] Semifinals

On February 18 2016 22:09 feckless wrote:
Movie is just fascinating to watch, honestly. I can't even explain it. Unstoppably-brilliant and mindnumbingly-atrocious all in the same game. He can look so far ahead. Then look like he's lagged so far behind. And then he'll have the game in his pocket. Only to have it fall out.

On February 18 2016 22:14 tanngard wrote:

Excactly. His games are always entertaining. There is a reason why the chinese loves him. Dont know why he is not more popular in korea

On February 18 2016 22:19 feckless wrote:
LOL at the end. I think he just said fuck it.


Probably because he makes too many mistakes.

On February 18 2016 22:24 c3rberUs wrote:
Maybe Koreans are kinda biased to mistake-free gameplay.

Who won?

On February 18 2016 22:37 Me_ToKa wrote:
Brackets are wrong.. It says Movie is on final, while he is loosing with 1:3..

On February 18 2016 22:41 2Pacalypse- wrote:

Click 'edit' and fix it :d

On February 18 2016 22:28 tanngard wrote:

You do know that Movie has a very good record both from kespa and post-kespa? He makes mistakes because he takes chances. According to the afreeca stream numbers players like Shuttle and Best is like 15 times more popular than Movie. Do you think it is because Move has done so many mistakes through his career and Shuttle and Best is like hallmarks of Protoss?

On February 18 2016 23:00 feckless wrote:

No, I didn't know about Movie's records. I didn't know that the guy made it to an OSL finals only to lose to Flash. I wasn't aware that he is still a force to be reckoned with after the fall of the pro-scene.

Actually, yes, I was aware of all those things. I vehemently disagree that taking chances means more mistakes. In Movie's case, we're not talking about losses that come about due to very risky and unorthodox play. We're talking about him losing because of simple mechanical and general gameplay mistakes, and questionable decisions. Risk-taking (or taking chances) and making mistakes are two separate things. You can take many risks and still make many mistakes. You can also take risks and not. Unfortunately, the Movie of here and now is the first sort of player. Forget "through his career", I'm talking about now. There's also a difference between playing risky and playing stupid. Movie's style is amazing to watch. But so are his abundance of mistakes and general fuckups.

Recalls of dubious value. Attacks that look as if he is completely throwing away the game (such as his attempted attack across the bridge too far versus Sharp on Circuit Breaker). The stubborn refusal to expand. The frequency of lack of control and often abysmal micro. Very few of those things have to do with risk-taking and more to do with error-taking. Even Shuttle and Best have better control these days and seem to make way fewer general gameplay mistakes (although Best seems to have trouble keeping his probes alive).

So, yes, I think that the lack of mistake-making has something to do with their (current) popularity. He's been playing like this for a while now. Furthermore, Best also sported a good KeSPA-era record and has been playing decently since his return last year, steadily improving (from what I've seen), and Shuttle also has decent records. I don't know about "hallmarks of Protoss", but they are both, at very least, decent players. But to be fair, there are probably other factors that account for popularity, too. Shuttle has always been one of the most popular streamers, and Best has always been a pretty popular player. Shuttle is personable and engaging on stream and he's online all the time. Movie, on the other hand, is on far less. At least, I see him far less often than I do Shuttle, or even Best.