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Peeano
Netherlands5150 Posts
Personally I already lost interest in discussing this and with how things have been going, I pretty much lost interest in following TLC as a whole. I don't like how it's being handled, but it's outside my power anyway. I'm hoping the TLS will be diverse and will manage to attract and please a broad audience. To me, as a viewer, the mappool will be an important factor. For now I'll be patiently awaiting TLS. Good luck to all the organizers! | ||
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Freakling
Germany1529 Posts
I'd like to reiterate my argument for using (3)Demian. Yeah, it's kind of standardish - but: if you are going for standard anyway (like the plain bland Tau/CB/FS/Destination map pool from the first few TLCs) and if you insist on a three player map (which is to be encouraged, three player maps have some great dynamic by default!) then you are spot on, especially considering the alternatives. On November 17 2015 01:25 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: imo just add overwatch from foreigner maps,rest should me actually good maps from the progamer days like groundzero outlier longinus ^^ also add f*cking fighting spirit ,is the map all of us train on fish server and the one we can actually show our best games -.- Probably too late to throw in something completely new... Overwatch seems alright. Rest of the suggestions are a bit meh... Longinus is just ancient. I guess it's mostly still popular(ish) because of the overall lack of three player maps. Outlier: I really like this one - as a mapper. Seeing the stats and having seen the games on it though, it is clear that this is an absolute TvZ graveyard. Side note: I basically consider Moon Glaive to be one of the worse balance fiascos out there, as well... Ground Zero: I guess it's okay, if you want something that is just really <i>really</i> standard. As a mapper I detest it for being basically the most unispired 30 minute job of a map ever to see the light of professional play... I guess the argument for FS is a sound one, but please mix it up with some new or more non-standard maps (ideally one of each)... I mean, originally the TLC staff picked PA of all maps, so they are definitely not adamantly against non-standard and even kind of wacko maps. It just seems like that the complaints about that map (which were basically about its being badly made and terribly balanced, not about its being non-standard!) kind of discouraged them though. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On November 18 2015 02:43 GeckoXp wrote: tlc isnt over yet? well. would be easier to keep track if there were write ups. You should probably start writing then. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On November 18 2015 04:15 GeckoXp wrote: if you pay me, sure. You're the one requesting a write up... Who were you planning to pay? If you're not interested in doing it, then why are you assuming someone else should be responsible for doing it? | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On November 18 2015 04:52 Eywa- wrote: You're the one requesting a write up... Who were you planning to pay? If you're not interested in doing it, then why are you assuming someone else should be responsible for doing it? well, normally the Tour staff does the writeup and im sure they are gonna have one, once the final TLC has been played. Roughy 20 TLC's were announced, so we can expect 3 to 8 more i guess. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On November 18 2015 04:52 Eywa- wrote: You're the one requesting a write up... Who were you planning to pay? If you're not interested in doing it, then why are you assuming someone else should be responsible for doing it? Because I'm one of their visitors, because they have "writers" and "casters" running around. It's a little like for your leagues - people see them, they see someone as "organizer" so they expect "organization". Guess what, in both cases you should have thought otherwise. Then again, it's a lot more disappointing in the case of TL, because they usually have standards, unlike you homunculus. User was warned for this post | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On November 18 2015 05:19 GeckoXp wrote: Because I'm one of their visitors, because they have "writers" and "casters" running around. It's a little like for your leagues - people see them, they see someone as "organizer" so they expect "organization". Guess what, in both cases you should have thought otherwise. Then again, it's a lot more disappointing in the case of TL, because they usually have standards, unlike you homunculus. I'm not sure you understand my point - everyone who writes for this is doing so voluntarily... Thus, in principle... Anyone can do it. You should probably try doing something for once rather than bitching about what everyone else does and why it's not to your liking. I'm just saying, this is good life advice in general. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
 On November 18 2015 05:19 GeckoXp wrote: Because I'm one of their visitors, because they have "writers" and "casters" running around. It's a little like for your leagues - people see them, they see someone as "organizer" so they expect "organization". Guess what, in both cases you should have thought otherwise. Then again, it's a lot more disappointing in the case of TL, because they usually have standards, unlike you homunculus. User was warned for this post We don't have a ton of staff atm and everyone is busy with real life and covering VANT. We'll likely aim for a writeup after the 20th TLC is finished. Also, as Eywa said, this is all volunteer work. Everyone writes articles and helps with coverage because we love the game and want to contribute to TL but real life priorities and such always have to take center stage so if everyone is really busy, we're out of luck. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On November 18 2015 09:41 Eywa- wrote: I'm not sure you understand my point - everyone who writes for this is doing so voluntarily... Thus, in principle... Anyone can do it. You should probably try doing something for once rather than bitching about what everyone else does and why it's not to your liking. I'm just saying, this is good life advice in general. Come back if you have done nearly as much as I did and we can talk. And I mean doing, not having others do the weird things that popped up in your "brain". | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On November 18 2015 16:02 GeckoXp wrote: Come back if you have done nearly as much as I did and we can talk. And I mean doing, not having others do the weird things that popped up in your "brain". You ignore the fact that I was providing a valid answer to your original query as confirmed by BigFan. This tells me you're just looking to pick a fight to which I say, sorry... I'm not interested. | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
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trutaCz
Poland686 Posts
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
On November 21 2015 00:04 trutaCz wrote: It brings freshnes but it will not be more interesting i would say even less since this is not a golden era of BW, people play it less competitive than years ago and they will not prepare on new maps(most of them) Also when players dont know the map they usually play much worse, because they start to think more about the map, less automatics. To sum up i dont mind about some fresh balanced maps, but it will not raise entertainment level of the game. As your words might have relevance i doubt most of the viewers are at your level of understanding to see any significant difference in the level of play, also this should make players practice more and improve and surely will lead to a different kind of games. In the case of the Nationwars that worked well with maps completelly different every week, i dont see why it cant happen here with some new maps. | ||
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Ty2
United States1434 Posts
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Jukado
805 Posts
Pics of both + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/maps/546_Neo%20Ground%20Zero.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9ryNyXb.jpg) You also say you like Outlier. I dont think its balanced enough for competitions, quite surprised you mentioned that one. ------------------------------------------------ Peeano, I chose 1-7 because reliable sources (boffins in lab coats) told me its considered to be a good general purpose scale (no really). It allows a good amount of nuance but still quite focused. The polls are working for others, not sure why not for you. ------------------------------------------------ To everyone else, thanks for all replies, I carefully consider them. ------------------------------------------------ I will leave the polls running until Monday so that they will have been open for 1 full week. Then I will post the results so the lurkers can see them. | ||
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Jukado
805 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4rqM3Zu.png) Raw stats: + Show Spoiler + Neo Jade 1 6 2 1 3 2 4 5 5 1 6 2 7 6 23 New Bloody Ridge 1 6 2 4 3 0 4 7 5 2 6 0 7 4 23 Neo Moon Glaive 1 12 2 0 3 2 4 4 5 1 6 1 7 3 23 Polaris Rhapsody 1 7 2 4 3 1 4 3 5 3 6 0 7 5 23 New Sniper Ridge 1 6 2 2 3 4 4 4 5 1 6 1 7 5 23 Neo Overwatch 1 2 2 0 3 0 4 3 5 2 6 4 7 11 22 The Latin Quarter 1 1 2 2 3 1 4 3 5 6 6 1 7 8 22 Roadkill 1 2 2 4 3 0 4 3 5 4 6 4 7 5 22 Toad Stone 1 4 2 0 3 2 4 6 5 3 6 1 7 5 21 Eddy 1 2 2 1 3 0 4 3 5 5 6 4 7 6 21 Queensbridge 1 4 2 2 3 0 4 7 5 2 6 2 7 4 21 Cross Game 1 4 2 1 3 0 4 4 5 5 6 1 7 6 21 Heartbeat 1 2 2 0 3 3 4 2 5 3 6 5 7 5 20 | ||
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Jukado
805 Posts
Number of 1v1 ladder games played: New Bloody Ridge 386 Polaris Rhapsody 149 Neo Moon Glaive 0 (not a ladder map) Cross Game 370 Queensbridge 192 Latin Quarter 121 Neo Overwatch 112 The others were less than 100. Considering Bloody Ridge and Polaris are already in the tlc map pool, you would think they are being practiced on a bit more than usual too. And yet Cross Game was played quite a lot more than Polaris was. Queensbridge was played more than Polaris too. Latin and Overwatch were close to Polaris. Cross Game is even close to Bloody Ridge. And when you consider that these are the foreign maps with no Korean pro games played on them, its very encouraging. But heres the really amazing thing.. Heartbeat after only 3 days of being in the map pack for season 38 had already been played 426 times! That’s incredible. It overtook even Bloody Ridge in such a short time. This isn’t even including 2v2 stats of games played which can only boost the foreign maps. (Latin and Heartbeat vs Bloody Ridge, Polaris, Moon Glaive). So from these stats, you could swap Bloody Ridge (386) with Cross Game (370) Polaris (149) with Queensbridge (192), Latin Quarter (121) or Neo Overwatch (112) (Any of the 8 maps Ive proposed could replace Moon Glaive) Heartbeat could replace Sniper Ridge or Jade based on the popularity expressed so far. Ofcourse Heartbeat is a new map and some people are probably just trying it out. But no new map, even Korean maps, have had this kind of reception in the last few map packs. In season 37, Neo Jade was played 1132 times and New Sniper Ridge 1152. As of writing, Heartbeat has been in the map pack for 5 days now. Its been played 578 times. That means 2 of the most popular Korean maps with all their exposure have only been played less than twice as much as Heartbeat after a whole season, which Heartbeat achieved in 5 days. | ||
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trutaCz
Poland686 Posts
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