EPTI don't see this helping BW foreign scene or iCCup, all it is doing is putting a UMS map on a pedestal and encouraging people to play this instead of real SC. It's my critical opinion, I already know people will get upset for it but it is what it is.
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TelecoM
United States10682 Posts
I don't see this helping BW foreign scene or iCCup, all it is doing is putting a UMS map on a pedestal and encouraging people to play this instead of real SC. It's my critical opinion, I already know people will get upset for it but it is what it is. | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
On January 02 2014 07:18 GGzerG wrote: I hate to sound like a dick but I feel like this is the last thing that iCCup / BW foreign scene needs to embrace, this UMS map isn't going to make people better at real StarCraft, and honestly I don't even consider this StarCraft, sure the map is ok and has some interesting mechanics, but does iCCup / BW foreign scene really need to embrace this? Is this going to help viewership, and get more players interested into playing real StarCraft? I guess if one of the "Snipers" decides to play real SC, but otherwise this is just another UMS that shouldn't even be taken seriously.... I don't see this helping BW foreign scene or iCCup, all it is doing is putting a UMS map on a pedestal and encouraging people to play this instead of real SC. It's my critical opinion, I already know people will get upset for it but it is what it is. it's a tour for fun with money involved, it's not like people are overflooding the server playing melee atm anyway. Also, I am curious if anyone is interested in live casting random games of this? I can maybe grab some sniper nerds to jump in the call to co-cast, w.e | ||
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TelecoM
United States10682 Posts
On January 02 2014 07:24 dRaW wrote: it's a tour for fun with money involved, it's not like people are overflooding the server playing melee atm anyway. Also, I am curious if anyone is interested in live casting random games of this? I can maybe grab some sniper nerds to jump in the call to co-cast, w.e I guess your right, maybe i'm viewing it incorrectly. | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
On January 02 2014 07:24 dRaW wrote: it's a tour for fun with money involved, it's not like people are overflooding the server playing melee atm anyway. Also, I am curious if anyone is interested in live casting random games of this? I can maybe grab some sniper nerds to jump in the call to co-cast, w.e Yo I'll cast with you probably, unless we release starserver before then. | ||
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xboi209
United States1173 Posts
On January 02 2014 07:18 GGzerG wrote: I hate to sound like a dick but I feel like this is the last thing that iCCup / BW foreign scene needs to embrace, this UMS map isn't going to make people better at real StarCraft, and honestly I don't even consider this StarCraft, sure the map is ok and has some interesting mechanics, but does iCCup / BW foreign scene really need to embrace this? Is this going to help viewership, and get more players interested into playing real StarCraft? I guess if one of the "Snipers" decides to play real SC, but otherwise this is just another UMS that shouldn't even be taken seriously.... I don't see this helping BW foreign scene or iCCup, all it is doing is putting a UMS map on a pedestal and encouraging people to play this instead of real SC. It's my critical opinion, I already know people will get upset for it but it is what it is. The same could be said for DotA and WC3...Not saying that this map will rise up to be THAT popular or competitive but no one ever claimed that this will help the foreign scene or attract more SC players so idk what you're complaining about. On January 01 2014 19:56 dRaW wrote: these noobs playing with Battle.net latency... wtf? Is the tournament going to be using LAN latency or this crap tastic noob shit? These "noobs" have been playing this ums map for over a decade. If you played it competitively for a year or two, you'll understand that you can't do some tricks that you can with bnet latency. | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
On January 02 2014 07:58 xboi209 wrote: The same could be said for DotA and WC3...Not saying that this map will rise up to be THAT popular or competitive but no one ever claimed that this will help the foreign scene or attract more SC players so idk what you're complaining about. These "noobs" have been playing this ums map for over a decade. If you played it competitively for a year or two, you'll understand that you can't do some tricks that you can with bnet latency. dRaw's been playing it longer than most of the current good players lol And it's the same game regardless of latency, it just means it's faster so it's a little harder to pull off some of the moves, and easier to pull off others. Luring and dancing is MUCH easier in LAN latency, for example. | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
On January 02 2014 08:05 Birdie wrote: dRaw's been playing it longer than most of the current good players lol And it's the same game regardless of latency, it just means it's faster so it's a little harder to pull off some of the moves, and easier to pull off others. Luring and dancing is MUCH easier in LAN latency, for example. not longer, just i played a lot before many of them started playing this game solely. Talked with a few of them and they say that their mechanics they've learned would be too hard to relearn or alter their gameplay too much so it will remain on no LAN latency. | ||
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DarkNetHunter
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traceurling
United States1240 Posts
On January 02 2014 11:55 DarkNetHunter wrote: cool tourny and pretty awesome that one of the UMS communities decided to move to ICC and abandon the failed housing project that is US East haha, but wtf did they move to ICC for if they're not gonna learn to use lanlatency Anti hack? | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
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DarkNetHunter
1224 Posts
The myth of iccups AH still working persists! | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 26 2013 18:55 Sayle wrote: this is one of the greatest maps of all time hey, hey i made one of the greatest ums ghost maps of all time D: | ||
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TelecoM
United States10682 Posts
On January 03 2014 01:01 DarkNetHunter wrote: The myth of iccups AH still working persists! Actually I believe it works better than you think, the other day I started a game vs my opponent, and as soon as it started it warned me that he may have altered the game memory or something, so I immediatly left. Although I understand it isn't in 100% perfect AH condition, but at least it is still better than no AH at all....Hopefully Birdie's new server will be up soon and have a nice AH with it. EDIT : Yes Gecko...." Real StarCraft " is actual StarCraft, ya know the melee game? I don't really consider any UMS game real SC....Unless it's play / obs... | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On January 02 2014 07:18 GGzerG wrote: I hate to sound like a dick but I feel like this is the last thing that iCCup / BW foreign scene needs to embrace, this UMS map isn't going to make people better at real StarCraft, and honestly I don't even consider this StarCraft, sure the map is ok and has some interesting mechanics, but does iCCup / BW foreign scene really need to embrace this? Is this going to help viewership, and get more players interested into playing real StarCraft? I guess if one of the "Snipers" decides to play real SC, but otherwise this is just another UMS that shouldn't even be taken seriously.... I don't see this helping BW foreign scene or iCCup, all it is doing is putting a UMS map on a pedestal and encouraging people to play this instead of real SC. It's my critical opinion, I already know people will get upset for it but it is what it is. You don't see how it would hurt the scene as well. If it doesn't hurt anybody and there's the remote chance it might help indirectly, the decision should be clear. Also, there is no "real StarCraft". If you think there is, than you'd condemn anything which isn't Fighting Spirit to death. Not the greatest attitude. | ||
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uT)WhistleR
Sweden95 Posts
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
On January 03 2014 05:50 uT)WhistleR wrote: played it, doesnt hate it they mentioned you in the thread, something about training melee guys intrigues them | ||
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uT)WhistleR
Sweden95 Posts
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On January 03 2014 03:36 GGzerG wrote: EDIT : Yes Gecko...." Real StarCraft " is actual StarCraft, ya know the melee game? I don't really consider any UMS game real SC....Unless it's play / obs... Nice stealthedit, almost missed it. I don't really know you well besides your posts and this one vid you posted, so I'm not sure if you can be taken serious or not. But honestly, an attitude like this isn't helpful, even though I can understand the underlying message and what you try to express. Around 2005 I felt the same way and did not change my mind until the beta started. SCII is not what I consider BW either, yet it brought us some interested newbs - yume being the most popular at the moment. The foreign community isn't in a state in which it can nitpick and exclude people, nor is it helpful to look down on others, who might not be interested in "real StarCraft". Moreover, you're factually wrong, melee is outdated since like ever, you refer to 1on1 as game mode, but anyhow... To make my point: There were and are dozens of players who started out as casual BGH/Faster/Fastest/1.82 players, me being one of them. You'd be surprised by the names which come to mind. Let's just list some more notable players:  Mondragon (and Templars of Twilight), infernal, GoOdy, HoRRoR.T - countless more from the semi-good roster, including kab (former Ger-B player) comes to mind, as well as former bw.de head newswriter TrustTD, Anni/Waschito who managed casts. On this page I'm pretty sure 2pac was a BGH fanatic and still is. See other modes as gateways to the low scene, rather than a gateway to retirement, because that's what it's not. From my experience (running two servers and having several mod/admin/staff positions on three leagues </Telsa>) I can tell you what's hurtful: Play/Obs Games within beginner communities. The weaker ones will focus on idling in streams (especially bad since the Snipe Streams went on) or joining Play/Obs games and Chatcrafting. Because it's less stressful. This was the case in the bw.de beginner's server and this is one of the underlying problems of beginner communities, a high level of frustration and the elitism of random people looking down on those, who improve slower than others, rather than cheering for them. Imagine what kind of signal you send out there. It's not good if you're like "dudes, imma let you finish, but youse all dumb, me best player eva". Or whatever you chose to write. Be happy something BW related gets attention. | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
On January 03 2014 17:35 uT)WhistleR wrote: this thread? where? their sniper forum about new players and in their channel: op snipers @ iccup | ||
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