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On March 18 2013 14:51 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 12:51 KazeHydra wrote:On March 18 2013 11:52 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 11:46 Sentenal wrote:
Yeah, I hope everyone who voted in favor of Bo7s will consider logic and reason before voting on things in the future. Just look at how many walkovers and scheduling problems we are having with just Bo5s. lol. Calm down, logic and reason were the guiding factors for people to vote Bo7 in the first place. What they didn't expect is numerous teams failing to show a proper line-up in the first 2 weeks. What you're really asking of those people is clairvoyance, which many don't have, even those who have been in DR for a while and have seen the crumbling of many a team before. This season carried a lot of promise in terms of team organization and player count, no need to bash on people for decisions made before evidence. Rather than logic and reason, I had the impression it was just larger teams wanting to play more games, and posts like this On March 07 2013 09:19 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2013 08:51 fabiano wrote:
pebble, Sun Khan has only 8 players, are you sure you guys can afford a BO7?
I remember from previous experiences that even with ~14 players in Ace we barely got people to play BO7 in DRTL2.... We have 10 and we have never failed to field a line-up. show you (and presumably every person who voted in favor of bo7) ignoring a concrete example of concern simply because YOUR team has no problem. Good for your team but don't you think logic and reason would consider other teams? Like I said before, I actually prefer bo7 but I imagine teams would need at least 10 players each for it to be feasible. PP was the theoretical solution but it can be a lot more difficult than people like to imagine. Look how long the DRIT finals were postponed, and that's one match. Anyway, my point is I highly doubt "logic and reason" were the "guiding factors" for supporting bo7. One of the smallest teams housing some lesser-known players in DR on Team Liquid being able to field a full line-up despite having a losing record, every week, sounds like a logical appeal to me. If one team can do it, what prevents other teams from manning up and doing it too? Organization, motivation, etc. Of course those pitfalls are present, but in my eyes there was no need to preemptively penalize large and well-organized teams for the faults of those that lacked those qualities. Don't get me wrong, I've been a captain of a team that had fallen to these issues in the past. But, with the promising state of the league at the start, with so many players and seemingly better-organized teams, it felt like it could be a valid option. More games for more players sounds like a pretty logical step in a league. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 13:56 Sentenal wrote:On March 18 2013 11:52 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 11:46 Sentenal wrote:
Yeah, I hope everyone who voted in favor of Bo7s will consider logic and reason before voting on things in the future. Just look at how many walkovers and scheduling problems we are having with just Bo5s. lol. Calm down, logic and reason were the guiding factors for people to vote Bo7 in the first place. What they didn't expect is numerous teams failing to show a proper line-up in the first 2 weeks. What you're really asking of those people is clairvoyance, which many don't have, even those who have been in DR for a while and have seen the crumbling of many a team before. This season carried a lot of promise in terms of team organization and player count, no need to bash on people for decisions made before evidence. Logic and reason suggested that this league would be able to support Bo7s? lol? Read above. Just because a few teams made a few mistakes and therefore haven't been able to field a full line-up while the majority of the league runs smoothly, you wanted to bring up an old topic to take a stab at people who thought it was viable and get to act like chief dick lol? Please. @ L_Master: Never said your reason wasn't correct or justified, just pimpsmacking my bitch ^^
You basically ignored both reality (several teams struggling to recruit enough players) and history (this happens EVERY SINGLE SEASON, with no exceptions), and now are trying to act like this stuff was unexpected. lol. All I'm saying, is in the future, think a little bit before you try and support something that is clearly unfeasible for this league. Its okay if you were blind this time, closed your eyes to what was going on, and are mad that someone is telling you "I told you so", as long as you learn from your mistake.
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On March 18 2013 14:51 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 12:51 KazeHydra wrote:On March 18 2013 11:52 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 11:46 Sentenal wrote:
Yeah, I hope everyone who voted in favor of Bo7s will consider logic and reason before voting on things in the future. Just look at how many walkovers and scheduling problems we are having with just Bo5s. lol. Calm down, logic and reason were the guiding factors for people to vote Bo7 in the first place. What they didn't expect is numerous teams failing to show a proper line-up in the first 2 weeks. What you're really asking of those people is clairvoyance, which many don't have, even those who have been in DR for a while and have seen the crumbling of many a team before. This season carried a lot of promise in terms of team organization and player count, no need to bash on people for decisions made before evidence. Rather than logic and reason, I had the impression it was just larger teams wanting to play more games, and posts like this On March 07 2013 09:19 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2013 08:51 fabiano wrote:
pebble, Sun Khan has only 8 players, are you sure you guys can afford a BO7?
I remember from previous experiences that even with ~14 players in Ace we barely got people to play BO7 in DRTL2.... We have 10 and we have never failed to field a line-up. show you (and presumably every person who voted in favor of bo7) ignoring a concrete example of concern simply because YOUR team has no problem. Good for your team but don't you think logic and reason would consider other teams? Like I said before, I actually prefer bo7 but I imagine teams would need at least 10 players each for it to be feasible. PP was the theoretical solution but it can be a lot more difficult than people like to imagine. Look how long the DRIT finals were postponed, and that's one match. Anyway, my point is I highly doubt "logic and reason" were the "guiding factors" for supporting bo7. One of the smallest teams housing some lesser-known players in DR on Team Liquid being able to field a full line-up despite having a losing record, every week, sounds like a logical appeal to me. If one team can do it, what prevents other teams from manning up and doing it too?
But it's not logical lol. People expressed their worries at being unable to field 6 players and your response literally ignores them because they just need to "man up" and be as motivated/organized as your team? That's a terrible argument not because it's wrong but because it's most likely not going to happen and people straight up said they didn't think their team would be able to do it. Surprise, it didn't happen, I wonder why? You clearly weren't thinking about what's likely nor were you actually listening to others but rather you were assuming things will work out just like your team (yay for you). I mean, seriously, does something not sound wrong with "hmm lots of people don't think they can do it but if they just man up and do it, it'll work so this is feasible"?
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Wtf send me replays Must cast this D ranks shit. Have you people realized not a signle game has been casted and where in week 2??? Send me replays and i will cast them Today.
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just want to announce that i've joined Phoenix
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On March 18 2013 17:22 pebble444 wrote:
Wtf send me replays Must cast this D ranks shit. Have you people realized not a signle game has been casted and where in week 2??? Send me replays and i will cast them Today.
2 things:
1. have send you a pm with replay of my game from this weekend
2. there is a single game been casted, my first game was done by nina 
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On March 18 2013 16:46 KazeHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 14:51 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 12:51 KazeHydra wrote:On March 18 2013 11:52 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 11:46 Sentenal wrote:
Yeah, I hope everyone who voted in favor of Bo7s will consider logic and reason before voting on things in the future. Just look at how many walkovers and scheduling problems we are having with just Bo5s. lol. Calm down, logic and reason were the guiding factors for people to vote Bo7 in the first place. What they didn't expect is numerous teams failing to show a proper line-up in the first 2 weeks. What you're really asking of those people is clairvoyance, which many don't have, even those who have been in DR for a while and have seen the crumbling of many a team before. This season carried a lot of promise in terms of team organization and player count, no need to bash on people for decisions made before evidence. Rather than logic and reason, I had the impression it was just larger teams wanting to play more games, and posts like this On March 07 2013 09:19 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2013 08:51 fabiano wrote:
pebble, Sun Khan has only 8 players, are you sure you guys can afford a BO7?
I remember from previous experiences that even with ~14 players in Ace we barely got people to play BO7 in DRTL2.... We have 10 and we have never failed to field a line-up. show you (and presumably every person who voted in favor of bo7) ignoring a concrete example of concern simply because YOUR team has no problem. Good for your team but don't you think logic and reason would consider other teams? Like I said before, I actually prefer bo7 but I imagine teams would need at least 10 players each for it to be feasible. PP was the theoretical solution but it can be a lot more difficult than people like to imagine. Look how long the DRIT finals were postponed, and that's one match. Anyway, my point is I highly doubt "logic and reason" were the "guiding factors" for supporting bo7. One of the smallest teams housing some lesser-known players in DR on Team Liquid being able to field a full line-up despite having a losing record, every week, sounds like a logical appeal to me. If one team can do it, what prevents other teams from manning up and doing it too? But it's not logical lol. People expressed their worries at being unable to field 6 players and your response literally ignores them because they just need to "man up" and be as motivated/organized as your team? That's a terrible argument not because it's wrong but because it's most likely not going to happen and people straight up said they didn't think their team would be able to do it. Surprise, it didn't happen, I wonder why? You clearly weren't thinking about what's likely nor were you actually listening to others but rather you were assuming things will work out just like your team (yay for you). I mean, seriously, does something not sound wrong with "hmm lots of people don't think they can do it but if they just man up and do it, it'll work so this is feasible"?
At the end of the day, this might be a friendly league but it's also a competition. Supporting a motion that not only benefits your players but also your team as a whole is not unreasonable. Why should I care if poorly managed team Y can only field 4 players if we field all 7? Walk-overs abound but it also gives more people a reason to practice, more people a chance to play, etc. BTW very nicely done, omitting everything that I said in agreement with you and responding in an unnecessarily combative tone. I expect as much from Sentenal, but from you? ):
@Sentenal: So you admit you were being petty then? Not surprised ^^
@BOTH: This isn't going to go anywhere, let's agree to disagree.
EDIT:
"In fact, in the perfect world we would have DRTL running on a BO7 with ace matches and 10 teams, each with at least 10 active players and 4 substitute players in the roster. Ah, and Sayle casting the games too, with hundreds of LR thread posts."
Haha yes this would be nice );
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On March 18 2013 22:15 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 16:46 KazeHydra wrote:On March 18 2013 14:51 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 12:51 KazeHydra wrote:On March 18 2013 11:52 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 11:46 Sentenal wrote:
Yeah, I hope everyone who voted in favor of Bo7s will consider logic and reason before voting on things in the future. Just look at how many walkovers and scheduling problems we are having with just Bo5s. lol. Calm down, logic and reason were the guiding factors for people to vote Bo7 in the first place. What they didn't expect is numerous teams failing to show a proper line-up in the first 2 weeks. What you're really asking of those people is clairvoyance, which many don't have, even those who have been in DR for a while and have seen the crumbling of many a team before. This season carried a lot of promise in terms of team organization and player count, no need to bash on people for decisions made before evidence. Rather than logic and reason, I had the impression it was just larger teams wanting to play more games, and posts like this On March 07 2013 09:19 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2013 08:51 fabiano wrote:
pebble, Sun Khan has only 8 players, are you sure you guys can afford a BO7?
I remember from previous experiences that even with ~14 players in Ace we barely got people to play BO7 in DRTL2.... We have 10 and we have never failed to field a line-up. show you (and presumably every person who voted in favor of bo7) ignoring a concrete example of concern simply because YOUR team has no problem. Good for your team but don't you think logic and reason would consider other teams? Like I said before, I actually prefer bo7 but I imagine teams would need at least 10 players each for it to be feasible. PP was the theoretical solution but it can be a lot more difficult than people like to imagine. Look how long the DRIT finals were postponed, and that's one match. Anyway, my point is I highly doubt "logic and reason" were the "guiding factors" for supporting bo7. One of the smallest teams housing some lesser-known players in DR on Team Liquid being able to field a full line-up despite having a losing record, every week, sounds like a logical appeal to me. If one team can do it, what prevents other teams from manning up and doing it too? But it's not logical lol. People expressed their worries at being unable to field 6 players and your response literally ignores them because they just need to "man up" and be as motivated/organized as your team? That's a terrible argument not because it's wrong but because it's most likely not going to happen and people straight up said they didn't think their team would be able to do it. Surprise, it didn't happen, I wonder why? You clearly weren't thinking about what's likely nor were you actually listening to others but rather you were assuming things will work out just like your team (yay for you). I mean, seriously, does something not sound wrong with "hmm lots of people don't think they can do it but if they just man up and do it, it'll work so this is feasible"? At the end of the day, this might be a friendly league but it's also a competition. Supporting a motion that not only benefits your players but also your team as a whole is not unreasonable. Why should I care if poorly managed team Y can only field 4 players if we field all 7? Walk-overs abound but it also gives more people a reason to practice, more people a chance to play, etc. BTW very nicely done, omitting everything that I said in agreement with you and responding in an unnecessarily combative tone. I expect as much from Sentenal, but from you? ): @ Sentenal: So you admit you were being petty then? Not surprised ^^
When more than half of the teams can't afford to field 6 or 7 players a week it is only reasonable that the league remains a BO5. You are just being selfish here.
Nothing will change the fact that people have a life and their unexpected problems to take care of. It's not like we don't want a BO7, it is just not possible.
In fact, in the perfect world we would have DRTL running on a BO7 with ace matches and 10 teams, each with at least 10 active players and 4 substitute players in the roster. Ah, and Sayle casting the games too, with hundreds of LR thread posts.
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Phoenix adding addtional players to their roster:
N30N 
KentoInazuma 
Thank you
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On March 18 2013 23:25 Prince_Stranger wrote:Phoenix adding addtional players to their roster: N30N KentoInazuma Thank you
Glad to see you guys getting some more people ^^ Good luck in the rest of the tournament!
Current results from Phoenix vs. Sun Khan:
+ Show Spoiler +Phoenix 1 - 3 Sun Khan herokiller__ <Gemlong>  ImAtTheBeach Daenil <Wind and Cloud> Minsc_nBoo Animus <Neo Jade> BaBo awerti <Circuit Breaker> KingGeedorah super_sonic1991 <Resonance II> NewJetCity ^ PP'd to 14:00 GMT on Friday, this time the game will surely be played!
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On March 18 2013 22:15 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 16:46 KazeHydra wrote:On March 18 2013 14:51 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 12:51 KazeHydra wrote:On March 18 2013 11:52 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 11:46 Sentenal wrote:
Yeah, I hope everyone who voted in favor of Bo7s will consider logic and reason before voting on things in the future. Just look at how many walkovers and scheduling problems we are having with just Bo5s. lol. Calm down, logic and reason were the guiding factors for people to vote Bo7 in the first place. What they didn't expect is numerous teams failing to show a proper line-up in the first 2 weeks. What you're really asking of those people is clairvoyance, which many don't have, even those who have been in DR for a while and have seen the crumbling of many a team before. This season carried a lot of promise in terms of team organization and player count, no need to bash on people for decisions made before evidence. Rather than logic and reason, I had the impression it was just larger teams wanting to play more games, and posts like this On March 07 2013 09:19 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2013 08:51 fabiano wrote:
pebble, Sun Khan has only 8 players, are you sure you guys can afford a BO7?
I remember from previous experiences that even with ~14 players in Ace we barely got people to play BO7 in DRTL2.... We have 10 and we have never failed to field a line-up. show you (and presumably every person who voted in favor of bo7) ignoring a concrete example of concern simply because YOUR team has no problem. Good for your team but don't you think logic and reason would consider other teams? Like I said before, I actually prefer bo7 but I imagine teams would need at least 10 players each for it to be feasible. PP was the theoretical solution but it can be a lot more difficult than people like to imagine. Look how long the DRIT finals were postponed, and that's one match. Anyway, my point is I highly doubt "logic and reason" were the "guiding factors" for supporting bo7. One of the smallest teams housing some lesser-known players in DR on Team Liquid being able to field a full line-up despite having a losing record, every week, sounds like a logical appeal to me. If one team can do it, what prevents other teams from manning up and doing it too? But it's not logical lol. People expressed their worries at being unable to field 6 players and your response literally ignores them because they just need to "man up" and be as motivated/organized as your team? That's a terrible argument not because it's wrong but because it's most likely not going to happen and people straight up said they didn't think their team would be able to do it. Surprise, it didn't happen, I wonder why? You clearly weren't thinking about what's likely nor were you actually listening to others but rather you were assuming things will work out just like your team (yay for you). I mean, seriously, does something not sound wrong with "hmm lots of people don't think they can do it but if they just man up and do it, it'll work so this is feasible"? At the end of the day, this might be a friendly league but it's also a competition. Supporting a motion that not only benefits your players but also your team as a whole is not unreasonable. Why should I care if poorly managed team Y can only field 4 players if we field all 7? Walk-overs abound but it also gives more people a reason to practice, more people a chance to play, etc. BTW very nicely done, omitting everything that I said in agreement with you and responding in an unnecessarily combative tone. I expect as much from Sentenal, but from you? ): @ Sentenal: So you admit you were being petty then? Not surprised ^^ @BOTH: This isn't going to go anywhere, let's agree to disagree. EDIT: "In fact, in the perfect world we would have DRTL running on a BO7 with ace matches and 10 teams, each with at least 10 active players and 4 substitute players in the roster. Ah, and Sayle casting the games too, with hundreds of LR thread posts." Haha yes this would be nice ); ^^
As Fabiano said, yes, I'm sure in reality, people would WANT a Bo7 and have ace matches and everything would be properly organized and maybe even a cash prize, but yes, we all have lives, some more than others and some not as much. I know our team tries our best to show up to every event, but not every team feels the motivation to show up on time, or at all, and just hinders the competition setting and league of things.
As a whole, as an entire league, we can barely handle a Bo5. I'm sure if the league consisted of just Courage, TAKK, Stealth Bunnies, DeSPA, SunKhan, Airforce Ace of Spades, and Phoenix, we could have a Bo7 all week long, but unfortunately, there are teams that feel the need to occupy space in which they don't wanna fulfill their simple duties in showing up.
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On March 18 2013 22:15 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 16:46 KazeHydra wrote:On March 18 2013 14:51 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 12:51 KazeHydra wrote:On March 18 2013 11:52 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 11:46 Sentenal wrote:
Yeah, I hope everyone who voted in favor of Bo7s will consider logic and reason before voting on things in the future. Just look at how many walkovers and scheduling problems we are having with just Bo5s. lol. Calm down, logic and reason were the guiding factors for people to vote Bo7 in the first place. What they didn't expect is numerous teams failing to show a proper line-up in the first 2 weeks. What you're really asking of those people is clairvoyance, which many don't have, even those who have been in DR for a while and have seen the crumbling of many a team before. This season carried a lot of promise in terms of team organization and player count, no need to bash on people for decisions made before evidence. Rather than logic and reason, I had the impression it was just larger teams wanting to play more games, and posts like this On March 07 2013 09:19 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2013 08:51 fabiano wrote:
pebble, Sun Khan has only 8 players, are you sure you guys can afford a BO7?
I remember from previous experiences that even with ~14 players in Ace we barely got people to play BO7 in DRTL2.... We have 10 and we have never failed to field a line-up. show you (and presumably every person who voted in favor of bo7) ignoring a concrete example of concern simply because YOUR team has no problem. Good for your team but don't you think logic and reason would consider other teams? Like I said before, I actually prefer bo7 but I imagine teams would need at least 10 players each for it to be feasible. PP was the theoretical solution but it can be a lot more difficult than people like to imagine. Look how long the DRIT finals were postponed, and that's one match. Anyway, my point is I highly doubt "logic and reason" were the "guiding factors" for supporting bo7. One of the smallest teams housing some lesser-known players in DR on Team Liquid being able to field a full line-up despite having a losing record, every week, sounds like a logical appeal to me. If one team can do it, what prevents other teams from manning up and doing it too? But it's not logical lol. People expressed their worries at being unable to field 6 players and your response literally ignores them because they just need to "man up" and be as motivated/organized as your team? That's a terrible argument not because it's wrong but because it's most likely not going to happen and people straight up said they didn't think their team would be able to do it. Surprise, it didn't happen, I wonder why? You clearly weren't thinking about what's likely nor were you actually listening to others but rather you were assuming things will work out just like your team (yay for you). I mean, seriously, does something not sound wrong with "hmm lots of people don't think they can do it but if they just man up and do it, it'll work so this is feasible"? At the end of the day, this might be a friendly league but it's also a competition. Supporting a motion that not only benefits your players but also your team as a whole is not unreasonable. Why should I care if poorly managed team Y can only field 4 players if we field all 7? Walk-overs abound but it also gives more people a reason to practice, more people a chance to play, etc. BTW very nicely done, omitting everything that I said in agreement with you and responding in an unnecessarily combative tone. I expect as much from Sentenal, but from you? ):
Rather than logic and reason, I had the impression it was just larger teams wanting to play more games
You just proved my entire point that large teams wanted to play more games at the cost of walkovers for others @_@ You don't have to care about others, but logic and reason dictate if you make changes to a league, you consider the interests and situations of everyone. That's all I'm saying.
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Guys stop making a big fuss over this. League is Bo5 this season and that's just how it's gonna be.
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I still think it should have been a BO7 with 8 max teams. 
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Omg just don't...too many teams don't have enough players who can show up steadily
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On March 18 2013 22:15 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 16:46 KazeHydra wrote:On March 18 2013 14:51 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 12:51 KazeHydra wrote:On March 18 2013 11:52 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 11:46 Sentenal wrote:
Yeah, I hope everyone who voted in favor of Bo7s will consider logic and reason before voting on things in the future. Just look at how many walkovers and scheduling problems we are having with just Bo5s. lol. Calm down, logic and reason were the guiding factors for people to vote Bo7 in the first place. What they didn't expect is numerous teams failing to show a proper line-up in the first 2 weeks. What you're really asking of those people is clairvoyance, which many don't have, even those who have been in DR for a while and have seen the crumbling of many a team before. This season carried a lot of promise in terms of team organization and player count, no need to bash on people for decisions made before evidence. Rather than logic and reason, I had the impression it was just larger teams wanting to play more games, and posts like this On March 07 2013 09:19 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2013 08:51 fabiano wrote:
pebble, Sun Khan has only 8 players, are you sure you guys can afford a BO7?
I remember from previous experiences that even with ~14 players in Ace we barely got people to play BO7 in DRTL2.... We have 10 and we have never failed to field a line-up. show you (and presumably every person who voted in favor of bo7) ignoring a concrete example of concern simply because YOUR team has no problem. Good for your team but don't you think logic and reason would consider other teams? Like I said before, I actually prefer bo7 but I imagine teams would need at least 10 players each for it to be feasible. PP was the theoretical solution but it can be a lot more difficult than people like to imagine. Look how long the DRIT finals were postponed, and that's one match. Anyway, my point is I highly doubt "logic and reason" were the "guiding factors" for supporting bo7. One of the smallest teams housing some lesser-known players in DR on Team Liquid being able to field a full line-up despite having a losing record, every week, sounds like a logical appeal to me. If one team can do it, what prevents other teams from manning up and doing it too? But it's not logical lol. People expressed their worries at being unable to field 6 players and your response literally ignores them because they just need to "man up" and be as motivated/organized as your team? That's a terrible argument not because it's wrong but because it's most likely not going to happen and people straight up said they didn't think their team would be able to do it. Surprise, it didn't happen, I wonder why? You clearly weren't thinking about what's likely nor were you actually listening to others but rather you were assuming things will work out just like your team (yay for you). I mean, seriously, does something not sound wrong with "hmm lots of people don't think they can do it but if they just man up and do it, it'll work so this is feasible"? At the end of the day, this might be a friendly league but it's also a competition. Supporting a motion that not only benefits your players but also your team as a whole is not unreasonable. Why should I care if poorly managed team Y can only field 4 players if we field all 7? Walk-overs abound but it also gives more people a reason to practice, more people a chance to play, etc. BTW very nicely done, omitting everything that I said in agreement with you and responding in an unnecessarily combative tone. I expect as much from Sentenal, but from you? ): @ Sentenal: So you admit you were being petty then? Not surprised ^^ @BOTH: This isn't going to go anywhere, let's agree to disagree. EDIT: "In fact, in the perfect world we would have DRTL running on a BO7 with ace matches and 10 teams, each with at least 10 active players and 4 substitute players in the roster. Ah, and Sayle casting the games too, with hundreds of LR thread posts." Haha yes this would be nice ); ^^
Ooh, I see, you wanted it to be a Bo7 so you could get free walk-overs, and therefore improve your team's chances of winning. Now it makes sense.
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On March 19 2013 05:12 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 22:15 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 16:46 KazeHydra wrote:On March 18 2013 14:51 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 12:51 KazeHydra wrote:On March 18 2013 11:52 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 11:46 Sentenal wrote:
Yeah, I hope everyone who voted in favor of Bo7s will consider logic and reason before voting on things in the future. Just look at how many walkovers and scheduling problems we are having with just Bo5s. lol. Calm down, logic and reason were the guiding factors for people to vote Bo7 in the first place. What they didn't expect is numerous teams failing to show a proper line-up in the first 2 weeks. What you're really asking of those people is clairvoyance, which many don't have, even those who have been in DR for a while and have seen the crumbling of many a team before. This season carried a lot of promise in terms of team organization and player count, no need to bash on people for decisions made before evidence. Rather than logic and reason, I had the impression it was just larger teams wanting to play more games, and posts like this On March 07 2013 09:19 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2013 08:51 fabiano wrote:
pebble, Sun Khan has only 8 players, are you sure you guys can afford a BO7?
I remember from previous experiences that even with ~14 players in Ace we barely got people to play BO7 in DRTL2.... We have 10 and we have never failed to field a line-up. show you (and presumably every person who voted in favor of bo7) ignoring a concrete example of concern simply because YOUR team has no problem. Good for your team but don't you think logic and reason would consider other teams? Like I said before, I actually prefer bo7 but I imagine teams would need at least 10 players each for it to be feasible. PP was the theoretical solution but it can be a lot more difficult than people like to imagine. Look how long the DRIT finals were postponed, and that's one match. Anyway, my point is I highly doubt "logic and reason" were the "guiding factors" for supporting bo7. One of the smallest teams housing some lesser-known players in DR on Team Liquid being able to field a full line-up despite having a losing record, every week, sounds like a logical appeal to me. If one team can do it, what prevents other teams from manning up and doing it too? But it's not logical lol. People expressed their worries at being unable to field 6 players and your response literally ignores them because they just need to "man up" and be as motivated/organized as your team? That's a terrible argument not because it's wrong but because it's most likely not going to happen and people straight up said they didn't think their team would be able to do it. Surprise, it didn't happen, I wonder why? You clearly weren't thinking about what's likely nor were you actually listening to others but rather you were assuming things will work out just like your team (yay for you). I mean, seriously, does something not sound wrong with "hmm lots of people don't think they can do it but if they just man up and do it, it'll work so this is feasible"? At the end of the day, this might be a friendly league but it's also a competition. Supporting a motion that not only benefits your players but also your team as a whole is not unreasonable. Why should I care if poorly managed team Y can only field 4 players if we field all 7? Walk-overs abound but it also gives more people a reason to practice, more people a chance to play, etc. BTW very nicely done, omitting everything that I said in agreement with you and responding in an unnecessarily combative tone. I expect as much from Sentenal, but from you? ): @ Sentenal: So you admit you were being petty then? Not surprised ^^ @BOTH: This isn't going to go anywhere, let's agree to disagree. EDIT: "In fact, in the perfect world we would have DRTL running on a BO7 with ace matches and 10 teams, each with at least 10 active players and 4 substitute players in the roster. Ah, and Sayle casting the games too, with hundreds of LR thread posts." Haha yes this would be nice ); ^^ Ooh, I see, you wanted it to be a Bo7 so you could get free walk-overs, and therefore improve your team's chances of winning. Now it makes sense.
Wouldn't be walkovers if people could show up on time.
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But the point is, they don't show up on time whether they don't care enough or just because they're busy with life at the time
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On March 19 2013 05:12 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 22:15 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 16:46 KazeHydra wrote:On March 18 2013 14:51 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 12:51 KazeHydra wrote:On March 18 2013 11:52 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2013 11:46 Sentenal wrote:
Yeah, I hope everyone who voted in favor of Bo7s will consider logic and reason before voting on things in the future. Just look at how many walkovers and scheduling problems we are having with just Bo5s. lol. Calm down, logic and reason were the guiding factors for people to vote Bo7 in the first place. What they didn't expect is numerous teams failing to show a proper line-up in the first 2 weeks. What you're really asking of those people is clairvoyance, which many don't have, even those who have been in DR for a while and have seen the crumbling of many a team before. This season carried a lot of promise in terms of team organization and player count, no need to bash on people for decisions made before evidence. Rather than logic and reason, I had the impression it was just larger teams wanting to play more games, and posts like this On March 07 2013 09:19 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2013 08:51 fabiano wrote:
pebble, Sun Khan has only 8 players, are you sure you guys can afford a BO7?
I remember from previous experiences that even with ~14 players in Ace we barely got people to play BO7 in DRTL2.... We have 10 and we have never failed to field a line-up. show you (and presumably every person who voted in favor of bo7) ignoring a concrete example of concern simply because YOUR team has no problem. Good for your team but don't you think logic and reason would consider other teams? Like I said before, I actually prefer bo7 but I imagine teams would need at least 10 players each for it to be feasible. PP was the theoretical solution but it can be a lot more difficult than people like to imagine. Look how long the DRIT finals were postponed, and that's one match. Anyway, my point is I highly doubt "logic and reason" were the "guiding factors" for supporting bo7. One of the smallest teams housing some lesser-known players in DR on Team Liquid being able to field a full line-up despite having a losing record, every week, sounds like a logical appeal to me. If one team can do it, what prevents other teams from manning up and doing it too? But it's not logical lol. People expressed their worries at being unable to field 6 players and your response literally ignores them because they just need to "man up" and be as motivated/organized as your team? That's a terrible argument not because it's wrong but because it's most likely not going to happen and people straight up said they didn't think their team would be able to do it. Surprise, it didn't happen, I wonder why? You clearly weren't thinking about what's likely nor were you actually listening to others but rather you were assuming things will work out just like your team (yay for you). I mean, seriously, does something not sound wrong with "hmm lots of people don't think they can do it but if they just man up and do it, it'll work so this is feasible"? At the end of the day, this might be a friendly league but it's also a competition. Supporting a motion that not only benefits your players but also your team as a whole is not unreasonable. Why should I care if poorly managed team Y can only field 4 players if we field all 7? Walk-overs abound but it also gives more people a reason to practice, more people a chance to play, etc. BTW very nicely done, omitting everything that I said in agreement with you and responding in an unnecessarily combative tone. I expect as much from Sentenal, but from you? ): @ Sentenal: So you admit you were being petty then? Not surprised ^^ @BOTH: This isn't going to go anywhere, let's agree to disagree. EDIT: "In fact, in the perfect world we would have DRTL running on a BO7 with ace matches and 10 teams, each with at least 10 active players and 4 substitute players in the roster. Ah, and Sayle casting the games too, with hundreds of LR thread posts." Haha yes this would be nice ); ^^ Ooh, I see, you wanted it to be a Bo7 so you could get free walk-overs, and therefore improve your team's chances of winning. Now it makes sense.
lol wut. ridiculous
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On March 18 2013 17:22 pebble444 wrote:
Wtf send me replays Must cast this D ranks shit. Have you people realized not a signle game has been casted and where in week 2??? Send me replays and i will cast them Today.
Not 100% sure if you are serious or not. If you aren't then ignore my Romanian mode.
The reps need to be sent to the correct email (drits5@yahoo.com). This is where they must be sent by captains, and per replay policy is non-negotiable. As stated before failure to send replays correctly there is a no tolerance issue and WILL result in penalties. I need them there for organization; to be able to keep track of what has finished and to verify games and results.
From that central hub I can then distribute them to casters, since there are 3-4 people currently expressing interest in casting.
Have you people realized not a signle game has been casted and where in week 2???
Three things:
1) Of course I realize this. I am running the league after all.
2) That's incorrect. Art_of_turtle already casted several of week 1's matches.
3) It's somewhat difficult to cast matches when they have yet to be finished. This is why only one or two matches, and not the full four, have been casted.
Week 2 has a similar situation. Many matches haven't been played; and casts cannot occur until they have.
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