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Duckvillelol
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia1259 Posts
July 28 2012 05:12 GMT
#121
Terrible engage, colo's clumped up, and archons missing from the battle... Flying had that from the moment those battle positions were decided.
Former SC2 commentator. youtube.com/duckvillelol
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18768 Posts
July 28 2012 05:12 GMT
#122
On July 28 2012 14:12 Vasoline73 wrote:
Honestly, that was a good PvP. A very frantic matchup.


this was good PvP....?
How does bad PvP look like O.O
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8197 Posts
July 28 2012 05:13 GMT
#123
I guess I need to watch more PvPs haha.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-28 05:14:50
July 28 2012 05:14 GMT
#124
On July 28 2012 14:12 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 14:12 Vasoline73 wrote:
Honestly, that was a good PvP. A very frantic matchup.


this was good PvP....?
How does bad PvP look like O.O

Like the last GSL finals.

To be fair, I missed the first 3 sets of that final by accidentally sleeping through it.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Clefairy
Profile Joined September 2011
1570 Posts
July 28 2012 05:14 GMT
#125
Collosi wars are so crap. It always ends after the big engagement.
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
July 28 2012 05:14 GMT
#126
results also updated to reflect the winner's ">" result
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
F0rlorn
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada74 Posts
July 28 2012 05:14 GMT
#127
On July 28 2012 14:12 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 14:12 Vasoline73 wrote:
Honestly, that was a good PvP. A very frantic matchup.


this was good PvP....?
How does bad PvP look like O.O

Yesterdays finals. This game was pretty good for a PvP pre-colossus.
Duckvillelol
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia1259 Posts
July 28 2012 05:14 GMT
#128
On July 28 2012 14:12 N.geNuity wrote:
btw mothership costs supply right? I don't know


Mothership costs 8 supply.

I really think (being honest here) if people started using carriers a bit more in PvP like I try to; it makes it a far more interesting matchup.
Former SC2 commentator. youtube.com/duckvillelol
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2144 Posts
July 28 2012 05:15 GMT
#129
BOXER AND NaDa!!!!
John 15:13
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
July 28 2012 05:15 GMT
#130
From what the development note in 2007 or 2008, Colossus is a unit derived from Reaver. So Reaver's successors in SC2 are reaver and colossus, but they later cute the reaver. Lol. Really nice decision.
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
July 28 2012 05:17 GMT
#131
On July 28 2012 14:15 larse wrote:
From what the development note in 2007 or 2008, Colossus is a unit derived from Reaver. So Reaver's successors in SC2 are reaver and colossus, but they later cute the reaver. Lol. Really nice decision.


colossus is directly from command and conquer tripod
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
July 28 2012 05:17 GMT
#132
Hero already beat legit good players in SC2, so it's weird to suppose the following, but... it really looked like he's not used to the crucial importance of deathball in SC2 - he thought he could split units to harass and still make a good fight; and then he also stuck himself in that choke, almost as if by the BW instinct that higher ground gives you better DPS than the opponent.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
July 28 2012 05:19 GMT
#133
On July 28 2012 14:11 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 14:10 Bibbit wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:07 GTR wrote:
Holy shit PvP sucks

My (equally biased) thought exactly. Felt like Hero played better the whole game but he got the poor end of the A-move in the end

/wrists


Well, he chose to engage there and his archons were late to the engagement...


It's not like snarfing your marines into sieged tanks back in 2010, where you're just an idiot to have engaged. There's no way to un-commit, so a single misstep can cost you the game.

Of course, with 2k/2k banked, Hero[join] could've just built a bunch of cannons in a strategic place to buy himself time to remax, so that he could come back, the way Zerg build like 20 spine crawlers so they don't lose from a good position even if they lose all their Brood Lords. If Hero[join] had like 10-15 cannons to fall back to, he could've escaped the battle without much losses, with Flying have to either kill the cannons and let Hero's army escape, or run by them and maybe lose some Tripods.

That's theorycraft out of me, obviously, but [join] had 2,000 minerals, so it was 15 cannons vs....not 15 cannons, so I don't see a real huge downside....
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 28 2012 05:22 GMT
#134
On July 28 2012 14:19 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 14:11 vthree wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:10 Bibbit wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:07 GTR wrote:
Holy shit PvP sucks

My (equally biased) thought exactly. Felt like Hero played better the whole game but he got the poor end of the A-move in the end

/wrists


Well, he chose to engage there and his archons were late to the engagement...


It's not like snarfing your marines into sieged tanks back in 2010, where you're just an idiot to have engaged. There's no way to un-commit, so a single misstep can cost you the game.

Of course, with 2k/2k banked, Hero[join] could've just built a bunch of cannons in a strategic place to buy himself time to remax, so that he could come back, the way Zerg build like 20 spine crawlers so they don't lose from a good position even if they lose all their Brood Lords. If Hero[join] had like 10-15 cannons to fall back to, he could've escaped the battle without much losses, with Flying have to either kill the cannons and let Hero's army escape, or run by them and maybe lose some Tripods.

That's theorycraft out of me, obviously, but [join] had 2,000 minerals, so it was 15 cannons vs....not 15 cannons, so I don't see a real huge downside....


Cannons do nothing vs colossi/archon. In PvZ, spines only buy time vs stalkers (you HAVE to kill most of their colossi with corrupters if you decide to trade). If you trade your BLs and they still have 3+ colossi left, spines won't buy you much time.
albis
Profile Joined January 2010
United States652 Posts
July 28 2012 05:24 GMT
#135
effort fighting!!!!!
every punch is thrown with bad intentions with the speed of a devil
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18768 Posts
July 28 2012 05:24 GMT
#136
Effort wasted on a scrub
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
July 28 2012 05:24 GMT
#137
On July 28 2012 14:22 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 14:19 Ribbon wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:11 vthree wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:10 Bibbit wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:07 GTR wrote:
Holy shit PvP sucks

My (equally biased) thought exactly. Felt like Hero played better the whole game but he got the poor end of the A-move in the end

/wrists


Well, he chose to engage there and his archons were late to the engagement...


It's not like snarfing your marines into sieged tanks back in 2010, where you're just an idiot to have engaged. There's no way to un-commit, so a single misstep can cost you the game.

Of course, with 2k/2k banked, Hero[join] could've just built a bunch of cannons in a strategic place to buy himself time to remax, so that he could come back, the way Zerg build like 20 spine crawlers so they don't lose from a good position even if they lose all their Brood Lords. If Hero[join] had like 10-15 cannons to fall back to, he could've escaped the battle without much losses, with Flying have to either kill the cannons and let Hero's army escape, or run by them and maybe lose some Tripods.

That's theorycraft out of me, obviously, but [join] had 2,000 minerals, so it was 15 cannons vs....not 15 cannons, so I don't see a real huge downside....


Cannons do nothing vs colossi/archon. In PvZ, spines only buy time vs stalkers (you HAVE to kill most of their colossi with corrupters if you decide to trade). If you trade your BLs and they still have 3+ colossi left, spines won't buy you much time.


All in all, colossus is a stupid unit.
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
July 28 2012 05:24 GMT
#138
lol. So many people left after SC2. With the current boring metagame and most teams go PvP, I just can't see a bright future of it in Korea.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
July 28 2012 05:25 GMT
#139
On July 28 2012 14:22 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 14:19 Ribbon wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:11 vthree wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:10 Bibbit wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:07 GTR wrote:
Holy shit PvP sucks

My (equally biased) thought exactly. Felt like Hero played better the whole game but he got the poor end of the A-move in the end

/wrists


Well, he chose to engage there and his archons were late to the engagement...


It's not like snarfing your marines into sieged tanks back in 2010, where you're just an idiot to have engaged. There's no way to un-commit, so a single misstep can cost you the game.

Of course, with 2k/2k banked, Hero[join] could've just built a bunch of cannons in a strategic place to buy himself time to remax, so that he could come back, the way Zerg build like 20 spine crawlers so they don't lose from a good position even if they lose all their Brood Lords. If Hero[join] had like 10-15 cannons to fall back to, he could've escaped the battle without much losses, with Flying have to either kill the cannons and let Hero's army escape, or run by them and maybe lose some Tripods.

That's theorycraft out of me, obviously, but [join] had 2,000 minerals, so it was 15 cannons vs....not 15 cannons, so I don't see a real huge downside....


Cannons do nothing vs colossi/archon. In PvZ, spines only buy time vs stalkers (you HAVE to kill most of their colossi with corrupters if you decide to trade). If you trade your BLs and they still have 3+ colossi left, spines won't buy you much time.


Zealots don't do much against Colossi/Archon either, but people make them to tank. Are cannons so bad that it's better to just have a 2k bank, when you're on 4 mining bases?
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
July 28 2012 05:26 GMT
#140
On July 28 2012 14:24 sharkie wrote:
Effort wasted on a scrub

Shy one of the better kespa players in Sc2 I think.

Protoss is Shy, right ?
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