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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
July 28 2012 05:27 GMT
#141
On July 28 2012 14:24 sharkie wrote:
Effort wasted on a scrub
Shy is 3rd in ranking, Effort 5th.

Shy wasted on a "scrub".
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
a7choi
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1664 Posts
July 28 2012 05:27 GMT
#142
why is the stage bigger today?
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
July 28 2012 05:29 GMT
#143
On July 28 2012 14:27 a7choi wrote:
why is the stage bigger today?


World Cyber Games, I think.


Oh yay, Ohana. I'd love to see a macro game in Proleague, but you don't get them on Ohana.

14pool from Effort. Shy with a 17 nexus 17 forge (!), walling himself in completely so Effort doesn't kill him.

Why don't Proleague zergs ever do the mass queen style?
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
July 28 2012 05:29 GMT
#144
On July 28 2012 14:27 a7choi wrote:
why is the stage bigger today?


it's in estars, a bigger venue
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
July 28 2012 05:30 GMT
#145
Thank you to Doa, my PL schedule was off and almost missed this. Fun time!
Support your esport!
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
July 28 2012 05:30 GMT
#146
On July 28 2012 14:25 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 14:22 vthree wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:19 Ribbon wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:11 vthree wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:10 Bibbit wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:07 GTR wrote:
Holy shit PvP sucks

My (equally biased) thought exactly. Felt like Hero played better the whole game but he got the poor end of the A-move in the end

/wrists


Well, he chose to engage there and his archons were late to the engagement...


It's not like snarfing your marines into sieged tanks back in 2010, where you're just an idiot to have engaged. There's no way to un-commit, so a single misstep can cost you the game.

Of course, with 2k/2k banked, Hero[join] could've just built a bunch of cannons in a strategic place to buy himself time to remax, so that he could come back, the way Zerg build like 20 spine crawlers so they don't lose from a good position even if they lose all their Brood Lords. If Hero[join] had like 10-15 cannons to fall back to, he could've escaped the battle without much losses, with Flying have to either kill the cannons and let Hero's army escape, or run by them and maybe lose some Tripods.

That's theorycraft out of me, obviously, but [join] had 2,000 minerals, so it was 15 cannons vs....not 15 cannons, so I don't see a real huge downside....


Cannons do nothing vs colossi/archon. In PvZ, spines only buy time vs stalkers (you HAVE to kill most of their colossi with corrupters if you decide to trade). If you trade your BLs and they still have 3+ colossi left, spines won't buy you much time.


Zealots don't do much against Colossi/Archon either, but people make them to tank. Are cannons so bad that it's better to just have a 2k bank, when you're on 4 mining bases?

Zealots are used to tank midgame, when both have 7+ collosi, they're litterally one shot and serve no purpose having them in the army. Cannons are just to deal with counter attacks/runbys/dts.
Refer to my post.
Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
July 28 2012 05:31 GMT
#147
On July 28 2012 14:14 Duckvillelol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 14:12 N.geNuity wrote:
btw mothership costs supply right? I don't know


Mothership costs 8 supply.

I really think (being honest here) if people started using carriers a bit more in PvP like I try to; it makes it a far more interesting matchup.


Only the master of Special Tactics (The grandpa toss White-ra) pulls out carriers in PvP
haka
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1414 Posts
July 28 2012 05:31 GMT
#148
Oh man... shy's attack is gonna hit so fucking hard.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 28 2012 05:33 GMT
#149
On July 28 2012 14:25 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 14:22 vthree wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:19 Ribbon wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:11 vthree wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:10 Bibbit wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:07 GTR wrote:
Holy shit PvP sucks

My (equally biased) thought exactly. Felt like Hero played better the whole game but he got the poor end of the A-move in the end

/wrists


Well, he chose to engage there and his archons were late to the engagement...


It's not like snarfing your marines into sieged tanks back in 2010, where you're just an idiot to have engaged. There's no way to un-commit, so a single misstep can cost you the game.

Of course, with 2k/2k banked, Hero[join] could've just built a bunch of cannons in a strategic place to buy himself time to remax, so that he could come back, the way Zerg build like 20 spine crawlers so they don't lose from a good position even if they lose all their Brood Lords. If Hero[join] had like 10-15 cannons to fall back to, he could've escaped the battle without much losses, with Flying have to either kill the cannons and let Hero's army escape, or run by them and maybe lose some Tripods.

That's theorycraft out of me, obviously, but [join] had 2,000 minerals, so it was 15 cannons vs....not 15 cannons, so I don't see a real huge downside....


Cannons do nothing vs colossi/archon. In PvZ, spines only buy time vs stalkers (you HAVE to kill most of their colossi with corrupters if you decide to trade). If you trade your BLs and they still have 3+ colossi left, spines won't buy you much time.


Zealots don't do much against Colossi/Archon either, but people make them to tank. Are cannons so bad that it's better to just have a 2k bank, when you're on 4 mining bases?


Yea, zealots are used to tank in the big engagement so your colossi can get more shots off. And they are good if you trade your colossus/archon army for his army. Then you just warp in more zealots to take out his base while you rebuild your colossi/archon.

1) Even trade where both armies die - Zealot is better than cannons

2) Uneven trade where opponent still has multiple colossi/archon left - you lose with zealot OR cannons.

So overall, you need to get an even trade anyways, so better to bank so you can warp in more zealots after army trade.
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-28 05:34:25
July 28 2012 05:33 GMT
#150
LOL. Blink stalker all the time and wins all the time. This is so boring. Why the design was so bad.
albis
Profile Joined January 2010
United States652 Posts
July 28 2012 05:33 GMT
#151
OP blink stalkers

User was temp banned for this post.
every punch is thrown with bad intentions with the speed of a devil
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
July 28 2012 05:34 GMT
#152
Man, watching proleague sc2 is like watching GSL sc2 on a 6 month delay - them blink allins!
Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
July 28 2012 05:34 GMT
#153
On July 28 2012 14:29 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 14:27 a7choi wrote:
why is the stage bigger today?


World Cyber Games, I think.


Oh yay, Ohana. I'd love to see a macro game in Proleague, but you don't get them on Ohana.

14pool from Effort. Shy with a 17 nexus 17 forge (!), walling himself in completely so Effort doesn't kill him.

Why don't Proleague zergs ever do the mass queen style?


They're still not fully caught up in the current metagame that GSL and other SC2 players have already been messing around with. Proleague Zergs watch VoD's from not the current metagame. Which is why the games play out differently. Some of the builds they use (not openings but overall builds) are outdated to the rest of the experienced players. (GSL and the like)
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
July 28 2012 05:34 GMT
#154
Hwatoss forever best toss
Moderator。◕‿◕。
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
July 28 2012 05:35 GMT
#155
BW zergs just haven't had enough time to get the defensive timings down. All-ins are much easier to execute then to defend.
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
July 28 2012 05:35 GMT
#156
poll
Poll: Sc2 Set 2?

No (6)
 
75%

Yes (2)
 
25%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

8 total votes

Your vote: Sc2 Set 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
July 28 2012 05:36 GMT
#157
ace match here we go
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-28 05:37:11
July 28 2012 05:36 GMT
#158
(Z)ZerO vs (T)sKyHigh set 3 sc2
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
July 28 2012 05:38 GMT
#159
PvP....
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
July 28 2012 05:38 GMT
#160
why is it so packed today?
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
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