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larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
July 28 2012 05:38 GMT
#161
Now, SPL is turning into PvP all day long. And PvP is widely considered the greatest matchup in SC2. What a nice way to get a fan base.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
July 28 2012 05:38 GMT
#162
lol soulkey faking out for shy
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
July 28 2012 05:39 GMT
#163
On July 28 2012 14:38 larse wrote:
Now, SPL is turning into PvP all day long. And PvP is widely considered the greatest matchup in SC2. What a nice way to get a fan base.


Yes, just look at the recent GSL finals and you will see what a great match up PvP is.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
growl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States203 Posts
July 28 2012 05:39 GMT
#164
I knew this would happen haha.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
July 28 2012 05:40 GMT
#165
On July 28 2012 14:33 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 14:25 Ribbon wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:22 vthree wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:19 Ribbon wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:11 vthree wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:10 Bibbit wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:07 GTR wrote:
Holy shit PvP sucks

My (equally biased) thought exactly. Felt like Hero played better the whole game but he got the poor end of the A-move in the end

/wrists


Well, he chose to engage there and his archons were late to the engagement...


It's not like snarfing your marines into sieged tanks back in 2010, where you're just an idiot to have engaged. There's no way to un-commit, so a single misstep can cost you the game.

Of course, with 2k/2k banked, Hero[join] could've just built a bunch of cannons in a strategic place to buy himself time to remax, so that he could come back, the way Zerg build like 20 spine crawlers so they don't lose from a good position even if they lose all their Brood Lords. If Hero[join] had like 10-15 cannons to fall back to, he could've escaped the battle without much losses, with Flying have to either kill the cannons and let Hero's army escape, or run by them and maybe lose some Tripods.

That's theorycraft out of me, obviously, but [join] had 2,000 minerals, so it was 15 cannons vs....not 15 cannons, so I don't see a real huge downside....


Cannons do nothing vs colossi/archon. In PvZ, spines only buy time vs stalkers (you HAVE to kill most of their colossi with corrupters if you decide to trade). If you trade your BLs and they still have 3+ colossi left, spines won't buy you much time.


Zealots don't do much against Colossi/Archon either, but people make them to tank. Are cannons so bad that it's better to just have a 2k bank, when you're on 4 mining bases?


Yea, zealots are used to tank in the big engagement so your colossi can get more shots off. And they are good if you trade your colossus/archon army for his army. Then you just warp in more zealots to take out his base while you rebuild your colossi/archon.

1) Even trade where both armies die - Zealot is better than cannons

2) Uneven trade where opponent still has multiple colossi/archon left - you lose with zealot OR cannons.

So overall, you need to get an even trade anyways, so better to bank so you can warp in more zealots after army trade.


No no no, I'm talking about Cannons to cover an escape

So, like


(Your Army) (My Army) (10+ Cannons)

If I make a misstep, I move command back past the cannons.

)Your army) (10+ cannons) (My army minus some zealots because I took damage, minus a Tripod worst-case)

If you move-command past me, you take like 40 cannon shots. If you stop to fight the cannons, that buys me a few seconds to spread my Tripods and get a concave. Either way, it lets me fight a bit more on even terms. If you kill my army, obviously the cannons won't do anything to buy me time to remax, but they can force an engagement a bit more to my liking

Oh christ, PvP.
[O]ops
Profile Joined July 2011
Italy44 Posts
July 28 2012 05:40 GMT
#166
http://hd.ognp2p.gscdn.com/ognhdlive
Paste that in a media player for those who want a higher quality stream
s1ege
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)123 Posts
July 28 2012 05:49 GMT
#167
wow when did hero leave liquid?
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
July 28 2012 05:50 GMT
#168
On July 28 2012 14:49 s1ege wrote:
wow when did hero leave liquid?


today
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
Ryusei-R1
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States2106 Posts
July 28 2012 05:54 GMT
#169
On July 28 2012 14:39 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 14:38 larse wrote:
Now, SPL is turning into PvP all day long. And PvP is widely considered the greatest matchup in SC2. What a nice way to get a fan base.


Yes, just look at the recent GSL finals and you will see what a great match up PvP is.

ba dum psh

zing
Jaedong plz
Bibbit
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada5377 Posts
July 28 2012 05:55 GMT
#170
Crappy PvPs are actually pretty great when your favourite team wins them :D
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18648 Posts
July 28 2012 05:56 GMT
#171
good job hero!
growl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States203 Posts
July 28 2012 05:56 GMT
#172
Aw yeah hero. Bad Boy plays victoriously.
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
July 28 2012 05:56 GMT
#173
Yes! CJ fighting! Finally put an end to Woonjin power
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
July 28 2012 05:56 GMT
#174
On July 28 2012 14:49 s1ege wrote:
wow when did hero leave liquid?


Assuming your serious, there are several Korean progamers named Hero. This is hero[join], not Liquid'Hero
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
July 28 2012 05:56 GMT
#175
On July 28 2012 14:54 Ryusei-R1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 14:39 Caihead wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:38 larse wrote:
Now, SPL is turning into PvP all day long. And PvP is widely considered the greatest matchup in SC2. What a nice way to get a fan base.


Yes, just look at the recent GSL finals and you will see what a great match up PvP is.

ba dum psh

zing

Yeah seriously, what was larse thinking?! >:[

But yes it's great when your favorite player or team wins in PvPs of course~
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
July 28 2012 05:57 GMT
#176
poll

Poll: Ace game?

TVing osl VIP ticket time! (4)
 
50%

Yes (3)
 
38%

If you have time (1)
 
13%

No (0)
 
0%

8 total votes

Your vote: Ace game?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
(Vote): TVing osl VIP ticket time!

iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
chesshaha
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1117 Posts
July 28 2012 05:57 GMT
#177
Both side's micro is was not that sharp, they really need to work on their sc2 micro.

Nice for CJ to win, not how i imagined how the games went.
"Hopefully you're not the real TLO so it's not casted" - SpecialK
haka
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1414 Posts
July 28 2012 05:57 GMT
#178
At least it wasn't a one base all-in or WAR OF THE WORLDS.
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
July 28 2012 05:59 GMT
#179
On July 28 2012 14:56 Aerisky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 14:54 Ryusei-R1 wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:39 Caihead wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:38 larse wrote:
Now, SPL is turning into PvP all day long. And PvP is widely considered the greatest matchup in SC2. What a nice way to get a fan base.


Yes, just look at the recent GSL finals and you will see what a great match up PvP is.

ba dum psh

zing

Yeah seriously, what was larse thinking?! >:[

But yes it's great when your favorite player or team wins in PvPs of course~


Learn sarcasm.
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
July 28 2012 06:02 GMT
#180
On July 28 2012 14:59 larse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2012 14:56 Aerisky wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:54 Ryusei-R1 wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:39 Caihead wrote:
On July 28 2012 14:38 larse wrote:
Now, SPL is turning into PvP all day long. And PvP is widely considered the greatest matchup in SC2. What a nice way to get a fan base.


Yes, just look at the recent GSL finals and you will see what a great match up PvP is.

ba dum psh

zing

Yeah seriously, what was larse thinking?! >:[

But yes it's great when your favorite player or team wins in PvPs of course~


Learn sarcasm.


I think there was two layers of veiled sarcasm so the funny got lost in there somewhere
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
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