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[SPL] Team 8 vs. KT Rolster - Page 16

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Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
May 27 2012 16:33 GMT
#301
On May 27 2012 17:52 BLinD-RawR wrote:
HOLY SHIT JAEDONG

JAEDONG

JAEDONG!


<3
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
May 27 2012 17:19 GMT
#302
WE WON SOMETHING YEA FUCK EVERYONE
GamanNo
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden63 Posts
May 27 2012 17:59 GMT
#303
Wow the last Jaedong game was so exciting. I haven't cheered for someone that much in a long time ^^
rotinegg
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1719 Posts
May 27 2012 18:29 GMT
#304
On May 27 2012 23:06 hyperdemented wrote:
anybody that can translate the winner interviews?
really interested in jaedongs
http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=61015


on it
Translator
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2550 Posts
May 27 2012 18:52 GMT
#305
On May 28 2012 03:29 rotinegg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2012 23:06 hyperdemented wrote:
anybody that can translate the winner interviews?
really interested in jaedongs
http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=61015


on it


Thank you kind sir!
Jaedong Fighting! | youtube.com/ZikGaming
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10342 Posts
May 27 2012 19:02 GMT
#306
Sang's play was great! And maybe Jaedong will be a little less depressed.
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
PhoenixDark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States286 Posts
May 27 2012 19:07 GMT
#307
Jaedong looked better last night than last week, but there were still a lot of problems people aren't really pointing out. While Jaedong did do the Stephano build, his Roach Warren was a minute late, enough to be a problem if the Toss decided to get more aggresive. Sure he scouted, but it's not hard for Toss to hide Gateways. He also didn't scout the corner of his third base, where Toss often hide Pylons; I thought the toss was going to do a 4 gate and it would have done some decent damage.

While I liked Jaedong's two pronged pressure (sniping Gateways while threatened the main protoss army), a better protoss could have easily cut his Roaches in half with force fields.

Perhaps most importantly, Jaedong didn't attempt to get ahead fast enough. Stephano and other macro zergs tend to take a fourth during their Roach pressure, and tech up depending on what happens in the battle. Jaedong took a fourth pretty late, and while he did get a Hive he didn't have any tech ready iirc. If the toss threw down a couple more gates and got two Colosus, he most likely would have won that game, Huk style off turtled two base.

There's no question Jaedong is improving (notice the good creep spread this time), I'm not 100% sold on his approach to mid/late ZvP. So far it seems like protoss are winning the most non-mirror games right now among BW players, in part because the race has so many deadly timings. Stephano and many other great zergs will be at the upcoming MLG Anaheim so Jaedong will be able to watch them up close. Should be good for him.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=435469
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
May 27 2012 19:47 GMT
#308
Lack of LR is dissapoint D;
Damn, really wished I could've caught this live
Have to watch Hoejja vs Sang and Jaedong vs that one toss for sure
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
TaShadan
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany1977 Posts
May 27 2012 20:35 GMT
#309
On May 27 2012 22:54 awwnuts07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2012 22:17 TaShadan wrote:
well skt1 and kt both failing


Considering they were the teams who transitioned to SC2 last, I can't say I'm completely surprised. Even players with godly mechanics like Flash and Bisu need time to learn game theory.


true but they lost alot of bw matches too
Total Annihilation Zero
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
May 27 2012 20:38 GMT
#310
Hey,

T8 goes 2-1 and KT go 2-0
And it still goes to ace even though it 3-2 in favor of KT?
☺
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
May 27 2012 20:57 GMT
#311
Fuck my other comment.
JD just beat the Tutorial boss.
☺
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
May 27 2012 21:01 GMT
#312
i want to see movie ... !
starleague forever
killer1nz
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand164 Posts
May 27 2012 21:40 GMT
#313
On May 28 2012 05:38 Release wrote:
Hey,

T8 goes 2-1 and KT go 2-0
And it still goes to ace even though it 3-2 in favor of KT?

doesn't matter, so long as one team wins the bw games and the other sc2 it will go to ace match.

MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10342 Posts
May 28 2012 00:09 GMT
#314
On May 28 2012 05:38 Release wrote:
Hey,

T8 goes 2-1 and KT go 2-0
And it still goes to ace even though it 3-2 in favor of KT?

Bo3 BW
Bo3 Sc2

Ace match in SC2 if each team wins a Bo3, regardless of 0-2 then 2-1
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
bovi
Profile Joined May 2010
Japan208 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-28 02:34:11
May 28 2012 02:16 GMT
#315
On May 28 2012 04:07 PhoenixDark wrote:
Jaedong looked better last night than last week, but there were still a lot of problems people aren't really pointing out. While Jaedong did do the Stephano build, his Roach Warren was a minute late, enough to be a problem if the Toss decided to get more aggresive. Sure he scouted, but it's not hard for Toss to hide Gateways. He also didn't scout the corner of his third base, where Toss often hide Pylons; I thought the toss was going to do a 4 gate and it would have done some decent damage.

While I liked Jaedong's two pronged pressure (sniping Gateways while threatened the main protoss army), a better protoss could have easily cut his Roaches in half with force fields.

Perhaps most importantly, Jaedong didn't attempt to get ahead fast enough. Stephano and other macro zergs tend to take a fourth during their Roach pressure, and tech up depending on what happens in the battle. Jaedong took a fourth pretty late, and while he did get a Hive he didn't have any tech ready iirc. If the toss threw down a couple more gates and got two Colosus, he most likely would have won that game, Huk style off turtled two base.

There's no question Jaedong is improving (notice the good creep spread this time), I'm not 100% sold on his approach to mid/late ZvP. So far it seems like protoss are winning the most non-mirror games right now among BW players, in part because the race has so many deadly timings. Stephano and many other great zergs will be at the upcoming MLG Anaheim so Jaedong will be able to watch them up close. Should be good for him.


I've not seen zerg battle multitask like that before in the entire GSL. 2 pronged kiting. I'm sure even better protosses might not have cut the armies in half because JD's tactic has a threat to the protoss of wasting forcefields. Noticed JD attacked when a decent amount of FF were used up. So i'm sure instead of using up time/apm/resources to expo etc, he used it to deplete FF and atk. that is much more aggressive and entertaining. Could it be taking a faster 4th after producing so much would only delay tech? JD went for a +1 air after he got hive and then teched to greater spire. I think he must have felt there was no rush atm.

Stephano might have a nice play style, builds but why does he not perform well at competitions (win)? For all his skill, he doesnt engage cost effectively and is especially sloppy player in the late game. but no doubt i'm a big fan. especially of aggressive zerg players.

Looking forward to more BW players playing sc2
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
May 28 2012 02:18 GMT
#316
On May 28 2012 05:35 TaShadan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2012 22:54 awwnuts07 wrote:
On May 27 2012 22:17 TaShadan wrote:
well skt1 and kt both failing


Considering they were the teams who transitioned to SC2 last, I can't say I'm completely surprised. Even players with godly mechanics like Flash and Bisu need time to learn game theory.


true but they lost alot of bw matches too

Because they also have to practice SC2.
If I had to describe this season in one word, I would say that this season is: forgettable.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
May 28 2012 02:20 GMT
#317
horray for flash and jaedong winning their games ^^ but man kt took a beating at the end of the day :\
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2550 Posts
May 28 2012 02:24 GMT
#318
W00000t since when can we put a Team 8 icon ??!?!?! :D
Jaedong Fighting! | youtube.com/ZikGaming
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11392 Posts
May 28 2012 02:29 GMT
#319
On May 28 2012 11:24 sM.Zik wrote:
W00000t since when can we put a Team 8 icon ??!?!?! :D

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340580
Moderator。◕‿◕。
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
May 28 2012 02:41 GMT
#320
On May 28 2012 11:16 bovi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2012 04:07 PhoenixDark wrote:
Jaedong looked better last night than last week, but there were still a lot of problems people aren't really pointing out. While Jaedong did do the Stephano build, his Roach Warren was a minute late, enough to be a problem if the Toss decided to get more aggresive. Sure he scouted, but it's not hard for Toss to hide Gateways. He also didn't scout the corner of his third base, where Toss often hide Pylons; I thought the toss was going to do a 4 gate and it would have done some decent damage.

While I liked Jaedong's two pronged pressure (sniping Gateways while threatened the main protoss army), a better protoss could have easily cut his Roaches in half with force fields.

Perhaps most importantly, Jaedong didn't attempt to get ahead fast enough. Stephano and other macro zergs tend to take a fourth during their Roach pressure, and tech up depending on what happens in the battle. Jaedong took a fourth pretty late, and while he did get a Hive he didn't have any tech ready iirc. If the toss threw down a couple more gates and got two Colosus, he most likely would have won that game, Huk style off turtled two base.

There's no question Jaedong is improving (notice the good creep spread this time), I'm not 100% sold on his approach to mid/late ZvP. So far it seems like protoss are winning the most non-mirror games right now among BW players, in part because the race has so many deadly timings. Stephano and many other great zergs will be at the upcoming MLG Anaheim so Jaedong will be able to watch them up close. Should be good for him.


I've not seen zerg battle multitask like that before in the entire GSL. 2 pronged kiting. I'm sure even better protosses might not have cut the armies in half because JD's tactic has a threat to the protoss of wasting forcefields. Noticed JD attacked when a decent amount of FF were used up. So i'm sure instead of using up time/apm/resources to expo etc, he used it to deplete FF and atk. that is much more aggressive and entertaining. Could it be taking a faster 4th after producing so much would only delay tech? JD went for a +1 air after he got hive and then teched to greater spire. I think he must have felt there was no rush atm.

Stephano might have a nice play style, builds but why does he not perform well at competitions (win)? For all his skill, he doesnt engage cost effectively and is especially sloppy player in the late game. but no doubt i'm a big fan. especially of aggressive zerg players.

Looking forward to more BW players playing sc2

The poking micro with roaches to bait forcefields is a key part of ZvP and is standard among pros. What JD did really well was splitting his army on the fly and doing that micro on two fronts simultaneously, while keeping up perfect macro. He was also really good about targetting high-value units like immortals and sentries.

It's certainly a great sign of his rapid improvement though, as he made a real mess of the roach micro against forcefields last week. Ditto with his creep spread, which went from nonexistent to excellent.
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