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L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
March 02 2012 02:26 GMT
#421
The whole point of the D league is to get better and get out of D! I mean it's silly to say that people dont care or practice for it cause they might as well just ladder instead. The fact that they joined a league shows they wanna compete.

It's kind of lame playing against a race picker because then you can't really practice at all, 3 mu's is too much for most people that can only afford an hour or 2 a day to play. There's really no down side to race picking. If we're gonna allow it we may as well just hide everyone's race. Even if i only play zerg it'd be better to be listed as a race picker so the opponent can't practice effectively against me.
Watching Jaedong play purifies my eyes. -Coach Ju Hoon
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 02:33:08
March 02 2012 02:31 GMT
#422
On March 02 2012 06:41 Sethronu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 06:28 Eywa- wrote:
On March 02 2012 06:18 Sethronu wrote:
On topic of the racepicking thing... Personally, I don't care enough about it to carry on a lengthy argument, but my opinion is it's kind of lame, and if people don't state explicitly what matchups they play but instead only 'announce' their race when the game is about to start it's just dumb. I spend maybe 3-4 hours a week playing BW if that, I was very happy to see that we'll know our upcoming matchups in advance because it gives me an opportunity to try out builds that may be more interesting than just generic "get 3 bases, max out, a-move" stuff; I can't do that if I don't know what race my opponent will play. The fact that a race-picker sidesteps matchups they consider themselves to be less comfortable in is already an advantage in itself, I really don't see why shouldn't I know their picks in advance.

What if the race picker is less active and wants to give himself a chance against the active player (not saying that is the case here, just throwing that out there).


Well, the way I see it, if there isn't really a requirement to state the matchups you will play, I might as well cite myself as a racepicker and just 4-pool / proxy rax whenever I feel like I'm playing an unfavourable matchup or map. I mean, why not?

Yes, and you would often lose too.

On March 02 2012 11:26 L3gendary wrote:
The whole point of the D league is to get better and get out of D! I mean it's silly to say that people dont care or practice for it cause they might as well just ladder instead. The fact that they joined a league shows they wanna compete.

It's kind of lame playing against a race picker because then you can't really practice at all, 3 mu's is too much for most people that can only afford an hour or 2 a day to play. There's really no down side to race picking. If we're gonna allow it we may as well just hide everyone's race. Even if i only play zerg it'd be better to be listed as a race picker so the opponent can't practice effectively against me.

You just said the point of the league is to get better than D and in the second paragraph, you say that you don't want to face race pickers because you don't want to practice more than 1 mu... Contradictory.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Gen.Rolly
Profile Joined September 2011
United States200 Posts
March 02 2012 02:55 GMT
#423
Hi all,
Not to change topics, I am still looking for a team to join. I am actually thinking of creating my own team if there are ppl out there that have not been picked up yet (I know there at least two) and also if Nikon would allow me. I am not super serious about the whole practice thing as I do this mostly for fun but I respect those that do this take this seriously and I would not have to be the captain of the team but I would definitely help out in organizing and making timely submissions of the team roster and what not. PM me if you would like to be on this team and then I will message Nikon about making us legit. Note: because the season has already started and its Week 2 we might start at a disadvantage but to me I don't really care about that I just want to have fun and play against ppl my skill level instead of alays being owned on the iCCup D server by players much better than their rank it seems.

ID: FirebatFTW
Race: Zerg
Rank: D
Vector locked in.
Nikon
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bulgaria5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 02:57:40
March 02 2012 02:56 GMT
#424
As for racepickers, I do ask the captains about their players' choice of race, but sometimes they're just a tad slow in relaying the information. I did this in Week 1 as well, and no one complained about it, to my knowledge. Now, you might say that this gives an advantage to the person that plays multiple races, but the fact of the matter is that the said person has to vary his training schedule more. Playing PvP in Week 4 is vastly different from playing ZvT in Week 5, for example. Personally, I'd like to keep the pick method the way it currently is, but there are some problems with the speed that people rely lineups, and subsequently, player race choice to me.

Speaking of delayed lineups, UED Academy has yet to submit theirs. It's now 33 hours sine the deadline for the lineups was passed. I have sent PMs asking for the lineup, but there hasn't been a meaningful response yet. As such, UED academy will be starting their games on Saturday with a 1 game deficit. If they do not submit the lineup by 11:00 GMT today, they will be starting the match with a 2 game deficit. It sucks that I have to do this disciplinary action, but the whole purpose of announcing the lineup was that people could focus their practice for the latter part of the week, and I feel that not submitting your lineup is really unfair to people who do.
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
March 02 2012 03:11 GMT
#425
On March 02 2012 11:56 Nikon wrote:
As for racepickers, I do ask the captains about their players' choice of race, but sometimes they're just a tad slow in relaying the information. I did this in Week 1 as well, and no one complained about it, to my knowledge. Now, you might say that this gives an advantage to the person that plays multiple races, but the fact of the matter is that the said person has to vary his training schedule more. Playing PvP in Week 4 is vastly different from playing ZvT in Week 5, for example. Personally, I'd like to keep the pick method the way it currently is, but there are some problems with the speed that people rely lineups, and subsequently, player race choice to me.

Speaking of delayed lineups, UED Academy has yet to submit theirs. It's now 33 hours sine the deadline for the lineups was passed. I have sent PMs asking for the lineup, but there hasn't been a meaningful response yet. As such, UED academy will be starting their games on Saturday with a 1 game deficit. If they do not submit the lineup by 11:00 GMT today, they will be starting the match with a 2 game deficit. It sucks that I have to do this disciplinary action, but the whole purpose of announcing the lineup was that people could focus their practice for the latter part of the week, and I feel that not submitting your lineup is really unfair to people who do.

No problem, there are players in the UED academy who aren't even D rank to begin with. IMO they should start with a deficit every week strictly for that reason alone.
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4337 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 03:19:33
March 02 2012 03:18 GMT
#426
You mean. THEY'RE WORSE THEN D RANK????
+ Show Spoiler +
So wait? I'm bad? =(
L3gendary
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1470 Posts
March 02 2012 03:20 GMT
#427
On March 02 2012 11:31 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 06:41 Sethronu wrote:
On March 02 2012 06:28 Eywa- wrote:
On March 02 2012 06:18 Sethronu wrote:
On topic of the racepicking thing... Personally, I don't care enough about it to carry on a lengthy argument, but my opinion is it's kind of lame, and if people don't state explicitly what matchups they play but instead only 'announce' their race when the game is about to start it's just dumb. I spend maybe 3-4 hours a week playing BW if that, I was very happy to see that we'll know our upcoming matchups in advance because it gives me an opportunity to try out builds that may be more interesting than just generic "get 3 bases, max out, a-move" stuff; I can't do that if I don't know what race my opponent will play. The fact that a race-picker sidesteps matchups they consider themselves to be less comfortable in is already an advantage in itself, I really don't see why shouldn't I know their picks in advance.

What if the race picker is less active and wants to give himself a chance against the active player (not saying that is the case here, just throwing that out there).


Well, the way I see it, if there isn't really a requirement to state the matchups you will play, I might as well cite myself as a racepicker and just 4-pool / proxy rax whenever I feel like I'm playing an unfavourable matchup or map. I mean, why not?

Yes, and you would often lose too.

Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 11:26 L3gendary wrote:
The whole point of the D league is to get better and get out of D! I mean it's silly to say that people dont care or practice for it cause they might as well just ladder instead. The fact that they joined a league shows they wanna compete.

It's kind of lame playing against a race picker because then you can't really practice at all, 3 mu's is too much for most people that can only afford an hour or 2 a day to play. There's really no down side to race picking. If we're gonna allow it we may as well just hide everyone's race. Even if i only play zerg it'd be better to be listed as a race picker so the opponent can't practice effectively against me.

You just said the point of the league is to get better than D and in the second paragraph, you say that you don't want to face race pickers because you don't want to practice more than 1 mu... Contradictory.


1 mu at a time...jeez.
Watching Jaedong play purifies my eyes. -Coach Ju Hoon
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 03:47:51
March 02 2012 03:37 GMT
#428
On March 02 2012 11:56 Nikon wrote:
As for racepickers, I do ask the captains about their players' choice of race, but sometimes they're just a tad slow in relaying the information. I did this in Week 1 as well, and no one complained about it, to my knowledge. Now, you might say that this gives an advantage to the person that plays multiple races, but the fact of the matter is that the said person has to vary his training schedule more. Playing PvP in Week 4 is vastly different from playing ZvT in Week 5, for example. Personally, I'd like to keep the pick method the way it currently is, but there are some problems with the speed that people rely lineups, and subsequently, player race choice to me.

Speaking of delayed lineups, UED Academy has yet to submit theirs. It's now 33 hours sine the deadline for the lineups was passed. I have sent PMs asking for the lineup, but there hasn't been a meaningful response yet. As such, UED academy will be starting their games on Saturday with a 1 game deficit. If they do not submit the lineup by 11:00 GMT today, they will be starting the match with a 2 game deficit. It sucks that I have to do this disciplinary action, but the whole purpose of announcing the lineup was that people could focus their practice for the latter part of the week, and I feel that not submitting your lineup is really unfair to people who do.


I will try to get this message to blood ..... none of my team mates are online right now ...


On March 02 2012 12:18 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
You mean. THEY'RE WORSE THEN D RANK????
+ Show Spoiler +



None of us are at keyboard rank or e- I can assure you that ......
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 04:06:26
March 02 2012 04:03 GMT
#429
On March 02 2012 12:18 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
You mean. THEY'RE WORSE THEN D RANK????
+ Show Spoiler +

They're definitely not C/C+

Edit: This topic is really too full of drama for me to continue reading it. I don't know why I bother. I'll read the updates to the first post and that's about it.
Please PM me with any songs you like that you think I haven't heard before!
HeaDStrong
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Scotland785 Posts
March 02 2012 04:11 GMT
#430
On March 02 2012 13:03 hp.Shell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 12:18 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
You mean. THEY'RE WORSE THEN D RANK????
+ Show Spoiler +

They're definitely not C/C+

Edit: This topic is really too full of drama for me to continue reading it. I don't know why I bother. I'll read the updates to the first post and that's about it.


Yeah because people exchanging ideas and opinions is drama. I absolutely follow you...
Gen.Rolly
Profile Joined September 2011
United States200 Posts
March 02 2012 05:13 GMT
#431
Yeah because people exchanging ideas and opinions is drama. I absolutely follow you...


I think you just proved his point...
Vector locked in.
Game
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3191 Posts
March 02 2012 05:36 GMT
#432
On March 02 2012 14:13 Gen.Rolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
Yeah because people exchanging ideas and opinions is drama. I absolutely follow you...


I think you just proved his point...

I think you just proved his point...
SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters.
Gen.Rolly
Profile Joined September 2011
United States200 Posts
March 02 2012 06:23 GMT
#433
I think you just proved his point...


I don't quite follow you, but...

I think you just proved his point... (and on and on if you want to play that game...)
Vector locked in.
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4337 Posts
March 02 2012 06:56 GMT
#434
I think ya'll should just move on. It's D rank. You should be practicing all MU's anyways and maps hardly matter. It's builds and making sure you nail your timings that's important. You can worry about map specific builds only after you know a variety of builds by heart AND how to improvise and/or follow up on those builds.

That's my two cents.

Also, Team 1 vs Team 6 games going up on youtube.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
L_Master
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8017 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 07:09:32
March 02 2012 07:09 GMT
#435
On March 01 2012 15:50 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Videos going up on youtube. I'll be doing Team 3 vs Team 8 first tonight. Tomorrow night I'll do another set, so on and so forth until the next replay pack is released.


Brent if it comes down to it when our two teams meet we can settle the ace match with a speed commentary dual instead!

My attempt:
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]
EffOrt and Soulkey Hwaiting!
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2608 Posts
March 02 2012 07:50 GMT
#436
I hate the fact that most people ignore, that Racepicker/Random player have to know more then 3 matchups. For Random it is even 9 MU you need to know, so Randomplayers are at a disadvantage by default.

Just play ladder and train like that if you wish to practice for your match, it won't be hurting to do that. In Proleague the Proplayers do not know which matchup they will play and it still works, doesn't it?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4337 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 08:12:12
March 02 2012 08:11 GMT
#437
On March 02 2012 16:09 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2012 15:50 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Videos going up on youtube. I'll be doing Team 3 vs Team 8 first tonight. Tomorrow night I'll do another set, so on and so forth until the next replay pack is released.


Brent if it comes down to it when our two teams meet we can settle the ace match with a speed commentary dual instead!

My attempt:
+ Show Spoiler +

SPEED COMMENTARY THINGY LINKED WRONG


Nice Image link. =) I fixed it for you.

I'll also post your link below for those too lazy to open the spoiler.


Dat WPM.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
S2Glow
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Singapore1042 Posts
March 02 2012 08:21 GMT
#438
wow . a game with probe rush. wth? lol . how is that possible hmmm
<3 Katelyn , C Zerg. Dying wish is to watch proleague live and see my girlfriend which gonna be soon! <33
fold
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia665 Posts
March 02 2012 08:25 GMT
#439
Does any team need a protoss/TvP/ZvP coach? I'd be happy to help your team.
t.t
floi
Profile Joined July 2010
203 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-02 10:59:10
March 02 2012 10:58 GMT
#440
Concerning our (UED Academy's) lineup - yea it sucks and also have sent a pm to Bloodspray a while ago... As a matter of fact, it's not really the fault of the players...

Re: racepicking
As I don't really see the use of generalizations about what people should do, what their motivations are for playing in DRTL or whether it's better to practice one MU or 3 - I would personally prefer the race to be clear from the lineup, because I personally think it would benefit my preparations. Also adds to the character and hype of the league, because it kinda feels more serious if you practice both MU and map specifically to try and get an edge from it.

Maybe a poll addressed at the players might solve this problem?
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