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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10413 Posts
March 01 2012 19:07 GMT
#401
On March 02 2012 03:36 corumjhaelen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 02:21 Cpt.beefy wrote:
On March 01 2012 23:39 Jealous wrote:
On March 01 2012 22:50 corumjhaelen wrote:
On March 01 2012 22:16 Jealous wrote:
People who are more than 1 race should really be letting Nikon know what race they plan to play before they see their opponent... Otherwise it's unfair imo.

Oh please tell me we're not going to have the same drama as in that C rank tournament... This is the D rank team league, not an OSL final.
Personnally not sure if I really want to see my game casted... For the lulz maybe...

... Lineups are posted ahead of time so that people can prepare, how can I know what to practice against if my opponent lists himself as Z P for example? I want to practice only the match-up I am going to play, just like my opponent gets to due to knowing MY race. I don't understand why there has to be drama, it's pretty simple for people to say what race they will play when line-ups are sent, and johnny23 is not involved.



I agree. This race picking drama needs to be nipped in the bud before it really starts to get ugly.
Pick a race, and play.


PM your opponent once the line-up are chosen, if someone is random let him be, and if someone offraces for a match-up, it only causes a problem if two people meet, in that case, let them decide this between them. I don't really see the problem.

The problem is that the person who signed up with multiple races gets to change his race after knowing his opponents' race. I'm not saying he can't play different races or matchups, I'm saying he needs to determine what race he will play when the lineup is sent just like the rest of us.

Let's say I want to play FS because Team X has been sending the same player on that map every week, and he has weak TvP. He sees that he is facing a P, and then chooses Z instead, after knowing he would be at a disadvantage. That's not fair imo. Note: I am not saying that the person has to choose just 1 race every game, they should have the freedom of saying PvT TvZ ZvT for example. But what the hell does both Z and P mean? It just means that they pick as they feel like it, imaginably after knowing their opponent.

I'm not blaming anyone of doing this, I'm saying it's a possibility and that's not right.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
March 01 2012 19:39 GMT
#402
Rules:
If you have an issue during match time please contact DRTL.Nikon on iCCup to resolve it.

No BMing
Winning team sends replays to dteamleague@gmail following the matches.
Standard ICCUP rules apply
No excessive chatting, ie do not be distracting during the middle of the game
If two players are race pickers they must announce their races before joining the game.


Copied it up to the rule I wanted, you're not a race picker and so, being a race picker, I don't have to announce till game according to the rules.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
March 01 2012 20:13 GMT
#403
On March 02 2012 04:39 Eywa- wrote:
Rules:
If you have an issue during match time please contact DRTL.Nikon on iCCup to resolve it.

No BMing
Winning team sends replays to dteamleague@gmail following the matches.
Standard ICCUP rules apply
No excessive chatting, ie do not be distracting during the middle of the game
If two players are race pickers they must announce their races before joining the game.


Copied it up to the rule I wanted, you're not a race picker and so, being a race picker, I don't have to announce till game according to the rules.

Not my fight, but I need to clarify that the rule states "if two players are race pickers," not "if one player is a race picker," Babo is not a race picker so you need to clarify what race you will be playing for the lineup.
Please PM me with any songs you like that you think I haven't heard before!
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
March 01 2012 20:16 GMT
#404
On March 01 2012 15:50 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:
Videos going up on youtube. I'll be doing Team 3 vs Team 8 first tonight. Tomorrow night I'll do another set, so on and so forth until the next replay pack is released.

All hail the mighty WCG caster!
Please PM me with any songs you like that you think I haven't heard before!
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
March 01 2012 20:17 GMT
#405
On March 02 2012 05:13 hp.Shell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 04:39 Eywa- wrote:
Rules:
If you have an issue during match time please contact DRTL.Nikon on iCCup to resolve it.

No BMing
Winning team sends replays to dteamleague@gmail following the matches.
Standard ICCUP rules apply
No excessive chatting, ie do not be distracting during the middle of the game
If two players are race pickers they must announce their races before joining the game.


Copied it up to the rule I wanted, you're not a race picker and so, being a race picker, I don't have to announce till game according to the rules.

Not my fight, but I need to clarify that the rule states "if two players are race pickers," not "if one player is a race picker," Babo is not a race picker so you need to clarify what race you will be playing for the lineup.

Derp... It clearly states that you only need to announce before the game if both racepick... dunno where you have any evidence to back these claims up with. The rules are fairly straight forward.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 22:55:48
March 01 2012 20:19 GMT
#406
Team Captain: sGs.Keedcuddy
(P)sGs.BaBo
sGs.Music
AleXoundOS
sGs.jpak
sGs.Minsc_nBoo
Cr4zyh0r5e
KasPra
Conversion
10xerogi

edit: I don't see any T or Z icons in this post.
Please PM me with any songs you like that you think I haven't heard before!
X10A
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada9837 Posts
March 01 2012 20:58 GMT
#407
To Team 8, I'm sorry, but I have to bow out of the team
I can't make practices because of school, I can't make games because of work
And I just lost my uncle, this last week. Which is why I couldn't make it to today's session
I'm sorry about all of this, but if you need someone to practice with, or if you need to gain some confidence, PM and I'll try to be active
CJ/T8 Fighting//#1 STX and Bisu anti <3//YES X10A is based off the Freedom Gundam
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
March 01 2012 21:03 GMT
#408
On February 28 2012 17:32 S2Glow wrote:
i will be casting courage vs team 4 this week. =D stay tune xD

Be sure to get our team name right when you do, its very important to us. The proper name is Team Courageous Nuclear Space Destroyer Class Beings of the Extra Terrestrial origin which is Adversary of human race.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Skeggaba
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1556 Posts
March 01 2012 21:07 GMT
#409
Team UED why u no send in your line up?
Bisu[about JD]=I was scared (laughs). The force emanating from his facial expression was so manly that I was even a little jealous.
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 21:09:56
March 01 2012 21:09 GMT
#410
On March 02 2012 06:07 Skeggaba wrote:
Team UED why u no send in your line up?

Like it matters with a team like urs... Essbee + You, you'll beat anyone from their team.
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
Sethronu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom450 Posts
March 01 2012 21:18 GMT
#411
On topic of the racepicking thing... Personally, I don't care enough about it to carry on a lengthy argument, but my opinion is it's kind of lame, and if people don't state explicitly what matchups they play but instead only 'announce' their race when the game is about to start it's just dumb. I spend maybe 3-4 hours a week playing BW if that, I was very happy to see that we'll know our upcoming matchups in advance because it gives me an opportunity to try out builds that may be more interesting than just generic "get 3 bases, max out, a-move" stuff; I can't do that if I don't know what race my opponent will play. The fact that a race-picker sidesteps matchups they consider themselves to be less comfortable in is already an advantage in itself, I really don't see why shouldn't I know their picks in advance.
Eywa-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada4876 Posts
March 01 2012 21:28 GMT
#412
On March 02 2012 06:18 Sethronu wrote:
On topic of the racepicking thing... Personally, I don't care enough about it to carry on a lengthy argument, but my opinion is it's kind of lame, and if people don't state explicitly what matchups they play but instead only 'announce' their race when the game is about to start it's just dumb. I spend maybe 3-4 hours a week playing BW if that, I was very happy to see that we'll know our upcoming matchups in advance because it gives me an opportunity to try out builds that may be more interesting than just generic "get 3 bases, max out, a-move" stuff; I can't do that if I don't know what race my opponent will play. The fact that a race-picker sidesteps matchups they consider themselves to be less comfortable in is already an advantage in itself, I really don't see why shouldn't I know their picks in advance.

What if the race picker is less active and wants to give himself a chance against the active player (not saying that is the case here, just throwing that out there).
Being mannered is almost as important as winning. Almost...
olabaz
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States298 Posts
March 01 2012 21:32 GMT
#413
Why don't we just all list ourselves as race pickers so no one knows what we're going to play!
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
March 01 2012 21:36 GMT
#414
On March 02 2012 06:28 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 06:18 Sethronu wrote:
On topic of the racepicking thing... Personally, I don't care enough about it to carry on a lengthy argument, but my opinion is it's kind of lame, and if people don't state explicitly what matchups they play but instead only 'announce' their race when the game is about to start it's just dumb. I spend maybe 3-4 hours a week playing BW if that, I was very happy to see that we'll know our upcoming matchups in advance because it gives me an opportunity to try out builds that may be more interesting than just generic "get 3 bases, max out, a-move" stuff; I can't do that if I don't know what race my opponent will play. The fact that a race-picker sidesteps matchups they consider themselves to be less comfortable in is already an advantage in itself, I really don't see why shouldn't I know their picks in advance.

What if the race picker is less active and wants to give himself a chance against the active player (not saying that is the case here, just throwing that out there).

That's one case out of many potential cases. Sethronu just outlined the opposite case, where the player who doesn't racepick is highly limited on time, meaning the racepicker can get in over twice as much practice (half the matchups, more time.) Everything else held equal, the racepicker who doesn't announce his matchup simply has an unfair advantage in practice time. The advantage may be insignificant or forgivable, but it's an advantage nonetheless.

That said I'd like to ask again if Team 4 or Advisory could please reveal Advisory's matchup scheme?
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
Sethronu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom450 Posts
March 01 2012 21:41 GMT
#415
On March 02 2012 06:28 Eywa- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 06:18 Sethronu wrote:
On topic of the racepicking thing... Personally, I don't care enough about it to carry on a lengthy argument, but my opinion is it's kind of lame, and if people don't state explicitly what matchups they play but instead only 'announce' their race when the game is about to start it's just dumb. I spend maybe 3-4 hours a week playing BW if that, I was very happy to see that we'll know our upcoming matchups in advance because it gives me an opportunity to try out builds that may be more interesting than just generic "get 3 bases, max out, a-move" stuff; I can't do that if I don't know what race my opponent will play. The fact that a race-picker sidesteps matchups they consider themselves to be less comfortable in is already an advantage in itself, I really don't see why shouldn't I know their picks in advance.

What if the race picker is less active and wants to give himself a chance against the active player (not saying that is the case here, just throwing that out there).


Well, the way I see it, if there isn't really a requirement to state the matchups you will play, I might as well cite myself as a racepicker and just 4-pool / proxy rax whenever I feel like I'm playing an unfavourable matchup or map. I mean, why not?
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 22:55:31
March 01 2012 21:57 GMT
#416
Also I might as well change my race at the last minute the day of because I might as well just go zvp and 5pool.
Please PM me with any songs you like that you think I haven't heard before!
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2614 Posts
March 01 2012 22:59 GMT
#417
My god thats just a funleague... guys calm down srsly.

I might be biased because I am random/racepicker myself, but srsly you act like someone really practices specifically for his opponent on the playdate. lol get real, i dont think anyone gives that much about this league to dedicate himself so much and if so he will still have an advantage against someone who didnt practice at all ...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
March 01 2012 23:06 GMT
#418
On March 02 2012 07:59 chrisolo wrote:
My god thats just a funleague... guys calm down srsly.

I might be biased because I am random/racepicker myself, but srsly you act like someone really practices specifically for his opponent on the playdate. lol get real, i dont think anyone gives that much about this league to dedicate himself so much and if so he will still have an advantage against someone who didnt practice at all ...

i do lol.......
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
March 01 2012 23:34 GMT
#419
On March 02 2012 07:59 chrisolo wrote:
My god thats just a funleague... guys calm down srsly.

I might be biased because I am random/racepicker myself, but srsly you act like someone really practices specifically for his opponent on the playdate. lol get real, i dont think anyone gives that much about this league to dedicate himself so much and if so he will still have an advantage against someone who didnt practice at all ...

I for one prepare with my specific opponent in mind. It would be stupid not to and it's not a question of dedication at all. Some ppl play 50 practice games a week and watch 10 relevant progames in preparation for their match. Then there are ppl who play 5 practice games and only watch 1 progame vod. If you know the race of your opponent it helps your preparation in both cases, because you know what matchup to study and practice.

The solution to this problem is simple. When sending the lineup, just make sure that all matchups are written out, like this.

1. (Z) zergman PvZ

When it's written out like that it's pretty obvious that he plays ZvP, PvZ and ZvT, so his opponent will know what race to prepare for.

s9_IU
Profile Joined October 2011
57 Posts
March 02 2012 01:46 GMT
#420
On March 02 2012 08:34 ninini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2012 07:59 chrisolo wrote:
My god thats just a funleague... guys calm down srsly.

I might be biased because I am random/racepicker myself, but srsly you act like someone really practices specifically for his opponent on the playdate. lol get real, i dont think anyone gives that much about this league to dedicate himself so much and if so he will still have an advantage against someone who didnt practice at all ...

I for one prepare with my specific opponent in mind. It would be stupid not to and it's not a question of dedication at all. Some ppl play 50 practice games a week and watch 10 relevant progames in preparation for their match. Then there are ppl who play 5 practice games and only watch 1 progame vod. If you know the race of your opponent it helps your preparation in both cases, because you know what matchup to study and practice.

The solution to this problem is simple. When sending the lineup, just make sure that all matchups are written out, like this.

1. (Z) zergman PvZ

When it's written out like that it's pretty obvious that he plays ZvP, PvZ and ZvT, so his opponent will know what race to prepare for.


in regard to the whole race picking situation... i strongly agree that you shouldve be allowed to pick what race u want day of the match because like the others said you already know what to practice for etcetcetc. i have a few people on my team that play different races as well and its pretty obv solution what i have done when i send in my lineups on wed. if your partner wants to say play as zerg vs a protoss but his main race is zerg u strictly write in the line up to nikon ***NAME**** Terran (Zerg if opponent protoss) ....

and in regards to the person who said people dont train for the matchups i think most people actually do i mean although this is a d league people still treat it as a league... not just to have fun but they still want to win and prove that they have what it takes to either by like this quoted person said training 50 games watching 10 vods or playing very minimal games at all
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