Circuit Breaker / La Mancha / Aztec / Neo Bloody Ridge ... Yeah ISL is cool and all but these maps are really old and I barely play othello or blue storm, time to cheese like i work @ a dairy ranch.

Terrorterran

Peru256 Posts

August 03 2011 19:02 GMT

#46

Yeah maps are kinda old. I would love newer maps for the later stages. :D

Game

3191 Posts

August 03 2011 19:36 GMT

#47

On August 04 2011 04:02 Terrorterran wrote:
Yeah maps are kinda old. I would love newer maps for the later stages. :D

All of the maps are already in order, just not released. There is a large mix of new/old, with the majority being new.

Prof. Protoss

Germany744 Posts

August 03 2011 20:10 GMT

#48

if I send in my replays, can I play instead of one of those who did not send theirs?
I was ranked 120 ish at the end

MaD[AoV]

Norway170 Posts

August 03 2011 20:53 GMT

#49

In hope that Cryoc, Para and Lion reads this; On Saturday the 20th of August, I will be working to 21:00 Local time, so I will be 2 hours late and would like to PP my matches if this is OK.

vTv.Marine

Canada144 Posts

August 03 2011 21:03 GMT

#50

I really enjoy these maps actually!

Blue Storm FTW

reps)Plumbum

Russian Federation484 Posts

August 03 2011 21:03 GMT

#51

On August 04 2011 06:03 vTv.Marine wrote:
I really enjoy these maps actually!

Blue Storm FTW

bet you are not zerg -.-

vTv.Marine

Canada144 Posts

August 03 2011 21:10 GMT

#52

I dont think zvp on that map is THAT bad tbh

tryummm

774 Posts

August 03 2011 21:19 GMT

#53

Here is an interesting interview with Bisu and Stork on map balance less than a year ago:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169641

Stork: "Protoss depend on catching Terran off guard to win. If a map is used for too long, no matter how unfavorable it is for Terran, they will be able to adapt eventually. And when they do, we lose our advantage."

Bisu: "I agree. Protoss’ performance really is decided by the maps."

That's why I really don't understand why old maps are used in foreign tournaments. I'm not sure about map age relations with Zerg vs Terran, but I'm sure it messes those matchups up too. Moreover, some maps like Python and Longinus don't even support the current meta game (You can't really forge FE on Python...even pros have been 1 basing on it with BNET Attack) and Longinus is too small and the expansions are completely different. And a competent Terran should have adapted to old maps like Fighting Spirit, Match Point, Benzene, etc...to the point where its disadvantageous for Protoss.

GoTuNk!

Chile4591 Posts

August 03 2011 21:45 GMT

#54

Wanted to add to the above, just keep the maps for the same round but use current proleague/osl/msl maps for the following rounds. Not just for balance (protoss vs anything on python is imba) but because old maps are mostly figured out and games turn into either bad games or cheeses.

playa

United States1284 Posts

August 03 2011 21:46 GMT

#55

I don't disagree with protoss having an inherent advantage when it comes to playing maps when both players have relatively little experience on the map. But I disagree with it being unfair for protoss when terran catches up because they had adequate time required to play passably. To me, that is bias showing and simply not being thrilled over their advantage shrinking; if you interviewed top terran players, I'm sure they would have a different perspective. "Meta game..." who cares. When most maps are similar, there can be a general consensus on "how you should play," but when the optimal way to play a map doesn't fit the meta game, it doesn't necessarily equate to imbalance.

GoTuNk!

Chile4591 Posts

August 03 2011 22:09 GMT

#56

On August 04 2011 06:46 playa wrote:
I don't disagree with protoss having an inherent advantage when it comes to playing maps when both players have relatively little experience on the map. But I disagree with it being unfair for protoss when terran catches up because they had adequate time required to play passably. To me, that is bias showing and simply not being thrilled over their advantage shrinking; if you interviewed top terran players, I'm sure they would have a different perspective. "Meta game..." who cares. When most maps are similar, there can be a general consensus on "how you should play," but when the optimal way to play a map doesn't fit the meta game, it doesn't necessarily equate to imbalance.

I think on Destination Flash would have a 90% winrate against other progamers. Prolly same on T v P at Match Point. It's just guessing prolly, but current meta game on old maps its just imba sometimes.

Imagine flash doing FE and taking a fast 3rd on Destination. Then he could just turtle and run over the map and protoss would have nothing to do but try to cheese, which would most likely fail given proper scout patterns on a map you are familiar with.

Imagine t v z, starting with m&m and transitioning into mech would enable terran to secure half the map basically. Sure zerg can cheese, but again, if you can almost only win on a map by cheesing it is quite unbalanced.

playa

United States1284 Posts

August 03 2011 22:37 GMT

#57

Imagine the best player doing anything. He might win an overwhelming majority of the time. That's not a revelation; that's common sense. I suspect this might be why he is so good at tvt, though... Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but Destination strikes me as one of the worst maps for FE (rax cc). I realize the bridge helps you out once you have a sieged tank, but there are far more negatives to me than positives. I saw BIsu, at least 2 times, make flash look horrible on destination, and his play wasn't too far off from what you're suggesting would be overpowered. If you're talking about a normal fast expo with a fast third, then I can imagine it well because I remember seeing it fail.

Eywa-

Canada4876 Posts

August 03 2011 23:47 GMT

#58

Guys... WTF. You're playing for like $1000, you saying you're not willing to practice a map that you wouldn't usually play? o.o

Othello is actually a good map, though I personally dislike it. As is Blue Storm(though I like this one).