EPT[MSL] Grand Final - Page 179
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Z3kk
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5595 Posts
On June 07 2011 11:45 Elroi wrote: Flash is going to sweep 3-0. Queens is only a surprise strat imo. It won't work against Flash + TvZ is hugely scewed at the highest level. I don't think I'm going to watch this, I will only feel depressed. I don't understand how anyone would think that Zero stood a chance. I'm happy I saved myself the time not watching that series. Seriously the competition in BW is just crappy recently. There basically is Flash, Jaedong and a bunch of mediocre zergs at the top. Zero shouldn't have been in that final. I hope Bisu could make a change, but I think he is too old. | ||
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On June 12 2011 01:51 Elroi wrote: I don't understand how anyone would think that Zero stood a chance. I'm happy I saved myself the time not watching that series. Seriously the competition in BW is just crappy recently. There basically is Flash, Jaedong and a bunch of mediocre zergs at the top. Zero shouldn't have been in that final. I hope Bisu could make a change, but I think he is too old. You just missed 2.5 unorthodox builds from God. .5 because one of them got scouted. | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On June 12 2011 01:51 Elroi wrote: I don't understand how anyone would think that Zero stood a chance. I'm happy I saved myself the time not watching that series. Seriously the competition in BW is just crappy recently. There basically is Flash, Jaedong and a bunch of mediocre zergs at the top. Zero shouldn't have been in that final. I hope Bisu could make a change, but I think he is too old. I love Jaedong but I don't see him putting much of a fight either. Flash is in God mode part 2 right now. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On June 12 2011 00:31 mmdmmd wrote: Man I love BW. For the past 10 years, we've more or less agreed that the Queen is one of the most useless unit in BW. And how wrong we were. Look forward to the day where someone finds a use for Scouts. Now that BLizz is buddy with Kespa and Kespa is moving BW into international spot light, maybe we can finally ask the question: Poll: Would you like to see BW getting patched again? No, just let the Pros and Map makers do their best. (62) Just patch Scouts, it is the last unused unit in BW. (24) Yes, the game still needs some balancing (10) 96 total votes Your vote: Would you like to see BW getting patched again? (Vote): Yes, the game still needs some balancing This isn't Starcraft 2. | ||
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mutantmagnet
United States3789 Posts
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
Yes it's BW 2011. And we are moving into the international stage, starting with Kespa selling PL broadcasting rights to other countries. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
seriously, no. | ||
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xarthaz
1704 Posts
On June 12 2011 01:51 Elroi wrote: I don't understand how anyone would think that Zero stood a chance. I'm happy I saved myself the time not watching that series. Seriously the competition in BW is just crappy recently. There basically is Flash, Jaedong and a bunch of mediocre zergs at the top. Zero shouldn't have been in that final. I hope Bisu could make a change, but I think he is too old. what? How dare you! Zero is the most innovative and stylish zerg of our time. Not in any way mediocre. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On June 12 2011 02:08 mmdmmd wrote: Yes it's BW 2011. And we are moving into the international stage, starting with Kespa selling PL broadcasting rights to other countries. You don't fix whats not broken. | ||
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xarthaz
1704 Posts
On June 12 2011 01:10 Xiphos wrote: Because lurker openings are even more fragile than mutalisk ones. Even if 3 hatch muta doesnt do direct damage, it forces terran to spend resources on turrets and keep in mind all the tricks zerg can pull off with mutas high mobility. But lurker openings dont force terran to delay their macroing as much. And the fact is, lurkers just arent that great against flash-level micro., It was somewhat obvious the strategy used by Flash. He hard-countered Mutalisks at every single game. In game 1 and 3, with fast Valks. Game 2, fast engineering bay +1 with fast Turrets. ZerO just couldn't do any huge amount of dmg to Flash in any way. I am always wondering why don't Zerg pros opt for Lurker first opening against Terran players. In game 1, if ZerO went for that Lurker first to defend against Flash's MnMs with the Spires built for Scourges against Valks (so they don't get massed to hunt down Overlords or just keep overlords together with Spore Colonies), ZerO could have stop his third being destroyed and be in relatively good shape. | ||
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a9arnn
United States1537 Posts
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On June 12 2011 02:08 mmdmmd wrote: Yes it's BW 2011. And we are moving into the international stage, starting with Kespa selling PL broadcasting rights to other countries. That doesnt change the fact that the better player always wins, and that there is no need for a balance update. | ||
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On June 12 2011 01:06 Emon_ wrote: Patch notes for BW 1.17.1 - Spawn Broodling cost reduced from 150mp to 125mp - Reaver HP decreased from 100 to 75. Shield increased from 100 to 110 - Scouts speed increased, speed update removed. Cloak added - Hydra defense increased from +1 to +2 - Firebat damage increased by 5. Ground-to-air attack added Can't believe how the SC2 people put up with this. As soon as you get the balance down somewhat, the next patch mucks it all up. Not to mention the changes that will come from HoS. I'd rather have the current balanced BW than endless patches. You realize they did the same thing with sc1 for the first year or two it was out, right? Getting everything relatively balanced/fixing bugs is a good thing, as long as the developers know when to stop. Finals weren't even worth watching, Flash was on a different level than Zero. | ||
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xarthaz
1704 Posts
On June 12 2011 00:49 mnesthes wrote: Well zergs basically only have one reliable opening in ZvT. You cant blame zero for playing predictably, he only chose the build that are the most efficient in ZvT. Terran has a lot more options and tinkering they can do that is still viable at the top level. Just finished watching the VODs and I think Flash had definitely had more preparation than Zero. In all games he used builds that rely on dishing out the aggression to fight the defensive ZvT style that Zero /Soulkey have been very successful in, then while applying that pressure he outexpanded the opponent. Zero was just too predictable in his style of choice. On June 12 2011 02:21 Elefanto wrote: That doesnt change the fact that the better player always wins, and that there is no need for a balance update. If you think result of the game implies better play then every game on earth is balanced and the argument is nonsensical. Because of that, your argument CANNOT be that win/loss determines what is better play. But what then is it, that defines one player playing better than the other one. This is a difficult concept to think about due to mental tendency to favour the victor. You see, we cannot even come to an agreement about the definition of what better play means, hence any appeals to it as an argument are fallacious. | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On June 12 2011 01:36 Xiphos wrote: I agree with what you wrote there. I am STILL wondering why don't all Zerg players (nothing on ZerO specifically) go Lurkers opening once in a while against Terran to keep them honest in there plays. Flash's builds today was so abusive that I somewhat think the game is slightly tilted into Terran's favors. And this is the exact reason why I hate that Calm always....well, Clam himself for making stupid decisions because he is the only Zerg players that does Lurker/Muta openings switches these days. Lurker openings are way less solid overall, and Flash usually sniffs them out when they're coming and reacts accordingly. I remember when Soulkey tried to open lurks against Flash on Grand Line. :D Hilarious. | ||
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