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On December 19 2004 18:00 homoerectus_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2004 08:50 Legionnaire wrote: yeah last 30 mins were boring as hell fortunately kingdom was playing and you weren't, so the game actually lasted 30 minutes.
Whoa
Leg this guy is starting beef! shut him down!
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On December 19 2004 18:04 Refrain[FriZ] wrote: Kingdom (and 99% of progamers) play to WIN. Progamers try to make the risk of them losing equal 0%. If that means not risking your huge ass army on land and winning with carriers, i respect them for being so calculated, being so patient, and being so coolly strategic. FA he also MCed ultralisks =] To be honest, I thought Jju was going to commit suicide at the end, he looked so sad. Also, the commentators were almost dying at like, 5 different points in the game.
WILL SOMEONE SHARE A KTHARD ACCOUNT WITH ME I WILL <3 U FOREVER!!! read my previous posts, it explains how ;P
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On December 19 2004 18:00 homoerectus_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2004 08:50 Legionnaire wrote: yeah last 30 mins were boring as hell fortunately kingdom was playing and you weren't, so the game actually lasted 30 minutes.
Burned
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Leave Legionnaire alone. At least he's a progamer. That's not to say that you're even remotely close.
And if you'd like to talk about his skill, he's beaten BoxeR. I don't care what anyone says, but you have to be good to beat BoxeR.
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Jju kept throwing small armies against kingdom's highly fortified base all throughout the game and every time they did nothing, and jju kept on doing it again and again.
Anyone looked at Jju's face after he lost each games? He seems really really pissed off (especially after the second game -- I wouldn't want to be near him for at least a day)
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United States10774 Posts
Yeah I know, Jju wasted SOOO MANY units!!
LAst 20 minutes were so indeed boring..
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How come after the 2nd match all of those people walked in front of jju when he was trying to leave?
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is awesome32278 Posts
YEah i noticed the same thing :S
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On December 19 2004 22:58 1024MB wrote: Leave Legionnaire alone. At least he's a progamer. That's not to say that you're even remotely close.
And if you'd like to talk about his skill, he's beaten BoxeR. I don't care what anyone says, but you have to be good to beat BoxeR.
No...that IS to say that he's not remotely close.
Goof.
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On December 19 2004 23:54 gg_hertzz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2004 22:58 1024MB wrote: Leave Legionnaire alone. At least he's a progamer. That's not to say that you're even remotely close.
And if you'd like to talk about his skill, he's beaten BoxeR. I don't care what anyone says, but you have to be good to beat BoxeR. No...that IS to say that he's not remotely close. Goof.
Thanks for repeating what I said, wise guy.
Yeah, maybe you should reread it a few times.
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Hmm, you're right.
It's 3 am and you're right for a change.
Something fishy's goin' on.
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Sweden33719 Posts
On December 19 2004 18:33 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2004 17:29 FrozenArbiter wrote: No jtan, I'm blaming him for making carriers SOLELY to show off :/
He mc:ed defilers. He mc:ed kakaru. He mc:ed overlords. He had 20 archons -_- And he did NOTHING. he secured his win -_- He humiliated JJu --;;
His archon army pretty much beat him anyways :o
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I don't see how you can blame him for going carriers at the end? That was his gameplan for like the last 20 mins of the game, since he wouldn't risk loosing his groundunits to sunkens and could unthreated kill of the zergs bases, while archons dealt with the bulk of the ground forces.
Hadn't he the game could perhaps (little chance though) turned into a tie, where neither player had enough groundstrength to kill off base defence.
Beast, No. Archons are not overpowered . Unless you count all spellcasters that "gives something for nothing", like a free kill, capture unit.
Also protoss shields and to a much slighter degree zerg regeneration is also overpowered in late game starved scenarios such as this one...
But since they aren't overpowered during the regular course of a game, I don't think they are overpowered - period.
If protoss has managed to live so long against a zerg they f******g deserve an "easy" win. 
Edit: Kingdom played very well during the early game, then during midgame I though Jju played very well, although late game looking back I bet he wished he had gone 30 hatch mass onslought while his resources we're high to drain the spellcasters and kill all the archons with hydralisks I guess he didn't have the resources for it though.. he's a progamer after all.
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Just watched the game. That was art.
After losing his main/nat, Jju had the whole map for him (and a bigass gling/ultras army around). Kingdom was *forced* to def as long as possible to secure his win. And DAs were a cute choice to progessively regain advantage.
He may have fucked around a little too long at the end, but I don't think he could have gone out way earlier than what he did, either. He did what he had to do. It was a little boring, but still fun to watch, games with MC are so rare these days. 
As for Jju, he clearly wasted too many units. Maybe mass hydras would have been a smarter choice against that many archons... but maelstrom/storm would have prolly stomped them anyway.
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On December 20 2004 02:11 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2004 18:33 Carnac wrote:On December 19 2004 17:29 FrozenArbiter wrote: No jtan, I'm blaming him for making carriers SOLELY to show off :/
He mc:ed defilers. He mc:ed kakaru. He mc:ed overlords. He had 20 archons -_- And he did NOTHING. he secured his win -_- He humiliated JJu --;; His archon army pretty much beat him anyways :o
Nine bases backed up with masses of sunkens and lurkers at each base, not even counting JJu's own army of hydras/lings/ultras/filers/queens, with Kingdom cornered into 1 final mining base, having no $ left for producing additional units, and you call his decision to tech to carriers while using the archon army to stall as much time as possible solely as an act to "show off"?
Oh wait, these two words sounds familiar. I'm not surprised.
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On December 20 2004 02:11 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2004 18:33 Carnac wrote:On December 19 2004 17:29 FrozenArbiter wrote: No jtan, I'm blaming him for making carriers SOLELY to show off :/
He mc:ed defilers. He mc:ed kakaru. He mc:ed overlords. He had 20 archons -_- And he did NOTHING. he secured his win -_- He humiliated JJu --;; His archon army pretty much beat him anyways :o even if this was true, you make it sound like this would be a bad thing ;o there's nothing more entertaining in bw than a protoss player humiliating a zerg, especially on pro level.......
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