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yoonyoon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1065 Posts
April 10 2011 07:59 GMT
#1181
On April 10 2011 16:43 Jackle wrote:
Can anyone translate the part where Hydra is thinking about his picks? From what I can grasp it seems like he was thinking about putting Fantasy in Group D as well, but he cried "Teamkill!"


He told Sea that he was thinking about putting Fantasy in instead of him, but had hesitated because then it could be an SKT teamkill.
It made it seem like he wanted Sea to beg him to change him anyways, regardless of the teamkill '-' God, Hydra acted like such an asshole.
aznagent
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong166 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 11:03:50
April 10 2011 10:26 GMT
#1182
On April 10 2011 16:14 pinkranger15 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 16:10 aznagent wrote:
Is there a VOD of the group selection?

Wow, Jaedong/Flash/Bisu... one of them already out in ro32... mutiny!

I don't sea see getting out of his group lol...





Thanks!

<3 They have weezer playing :D

edit: what does it mean when the progamers have other progamers name on their arm? Like FBH had Storks name on his arm
Quote:
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 11:58:57
April 10 2011 11:56 GMT
#1183
On April 10 2011 16:59 yoonyoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 16:43 Jackle wrote:
Can anyone translate the part where Hydra is thinking about his picks? From what I can grasp it seems like he was thinking about putting Fantasy in Group D as well, but he cried "Teamkill!"


He told Sea that he was thinking about putting Fantasy in instead of him, but had hesitated because then it could be an SKT teamkill.
It made it seem like he wanted Sea to beg him to change him anyways, regardless of the teamkill '-' God, Hydra acted like such an asshole.

Power trip. Complete power trip by Hydra and Great. And so unwise in many ways. What were they thinking when they gave him the talk-king voucher.
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yoonyoon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1065 Posts
April 10 2011 13:19 GMT
#1184
^ I think they gave it because by doing so, they softened the situation.
Like.. it was Hydra's 'image/concept' for the ceremony and not him just acting like a...=X

Seriously, LeeSsang looked pretty pissed off.
ibreakurface
Profile Joined June 2010
United States664 Posts
April 10 2011 13:39 GMT
#1185
On April 10 2011 16:22 419 wrote:
Show nested quote +
It's just bad for the tournament. If it were possible for Bisu, Flash AND Jaedong to all advance if they played amazingly enough, I wouldn't say this. The burden would be on them to prove their merit.

Last season:
Flash out in Ro32
Bisu out in Ro16

They have only themselves to blame. If Flash had gotten a seed then group D(eath) would have never happened.

Do you propose blatantly using name value as a criterion when it comes to the seeding process? Then things become no better than an invitational. Imo, Flash should be treated no better than anyone else who scrubbed out in Ro32.

He is being treated differently though, he's put in group D. As far as competition goes this is pathetic from both great and hydra, so selfish and insecure.
:) I play zerg. FOX AND KT ROLSTER COASTER FAN! Because I love everyone. Except bisu.
thegamer
Profile Joined November 2010
47 Posts
April 10 2011 15:06 GMT
#1186
Wtf they need to revise the group picking systems.
As of now the winners of the last MSL can abuse their powers
too much; resulting in a D group of death
Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
April 10 2011 15:11 GMT
#1187
On April 10 2011 22:39 ibreakurface wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 16:22 419 wrote:
It's just bad for the tournament. If it were possible for Bisu, Flash AND Jaedong to all advance if they played amazingly enough, I wouldn't say this. The burden would be on them to prove their merit.

Last season:
Flash out in Ro32
Bisu out in Ro16

They have only themselves to blame. If Flash had gotten a seed then group D(eath) would have never happened.

Do you propose blatantly using name value as a criterion when it comes to the seeding process? Then things become no better than an invitational. Imo, Flash should be treated no better than anyone else who scrubbed out in Ro32.

He is being treated differently though, he's put in group D. As far as competition goes this is pathetic from both great and hydra, so selfish and insecure.


How do you mean, selfish?

Because they tried to knock out the best of the competition early? You think progamers have some kind of duty to create fair games and entertainment for the fans? They play to win in order to make a living. What should they have done differently, exactly, to ensure that they weren't being selfish?

They followed the rules given to them anyway, so don't complain about hydra and great.
BW4Life!
trance-
Profile Joined March 2007
United States46 Posts
April 10 2011 17:13 GMT
#1188
Some of the whining in this thread is hilarious. Hydra's final pick troll was the best part of the show. I look forward to watching group D and to watching whichever players play their best make the final, not which ones have the most fanboys on TL

Actually I hope Great and Hydra meet again in the final just to elicit maximum rage from the people flipping their shit about the group of death. And that group will be a lot of fun to watch btw, each game will be so tense.
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
April 10 2011 17:20 GMT
#1189
^ you just saying that because they couldn't fuck with Stork.
yoonyoon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1065 Posts
April 10 2011 18:44 GMT
#1190
On April 11 2011 02:13 trance- wrote:
Some of the whining in this thread is hilarious. Hydra's final pick troll was the best part of the show. I look forward to watching group D and to watching whichever players play their best make the final, not which ones have the most fanboys on TL

Actually I hope Great and Hydra meet again in the final just to elicit maximum rage from the people flipping their shit about the group of death. And that group will be a lot of fun to watch btw, each game will be so tense.


God no.
I went to the last final, and it seriously wasn't worth going to watch live.
ibreakurface
Profile Joined June 2010
United States664 Posts
April 10 2011 20:08 GMT
#1191
On April 11 2011 00:11 Wohmfg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 22:39 ibreakurface wrote:
On April 10 2011 16:22 419 wrote:
It's just bad for the tournament. If it were possible for Bisu, Flash AND Jaedong to all advance if they played amazingly enough, I wouldn't say this. The burden would be on them to prove their merit.

Last season:
Flash out in Ro32
Bisu out in Ro16

They have only themselves to blame. If Flash had gotten a seed then group D(eath) would have never happened.

Do you propose blatantly using name value as a criterion when it comes to the seeding process? Then things become no better than an invitational. Imo, Flash should be treated no better than anyone else who scrubbed out in Ro32.

He is being treated differently though, he's put in group D. As far as competition goes this is pathetic from both great and hydra, so selfish and insecure.


How do you mean, selfish?

Because they tried to knock out the best of the competition early? You think progamers have some kind of duty to create fair games and entertainment for the fans? They play to win in order to make a living. What should they have done differently, exactly, to ensure that they weren't being selfish?

They followed the rules given to them anyway, so don't complain about hydra and great.


I'll complain all I want. I'm not saying that the choice isn't in their best interest, or that they are breaking any rules. I'm saying they are selfish and insecure.

The early stages in any tourney shouldn't have the top 3 players eliminating each other, it's simply bad for the sport and tournament. They are damaging the tournament so they can win an empty victory. Therefore they are selfish, which is not respectable.
:) I play zerg. FOX AND KT ROLSTER COASTER FAN! Because I love everyone. Except bisu.
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
April 10 2011 20:13 GMT
#1192
Are there going to be translated vods T_T;;'?
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
April 10 2011 20:40 GMT
#1193
On April 11 2011 05:08 ibreakurface wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 00:11 Wohmfg wrote:
On April 10 2011 22:39 ibreakurface wrote:
On April 10 2011 16:22 419 wrote:
It's just bad for the tournament. If it were possible for Bisu, Flash AND Jaedong to all advance if they played amazingly enough, I wouldn't say this. The burden would be on them to prove their merit.

Last season:
Flash out in Ro32
Bisu out in Ro16

They have only themselves to blame. If Flash had gotten a seed then group D(eath) would have never happened.

Do you propose blatantly using name value as a criterion when it comes to the seeding process? Then things become no better than an invitational. Imo, Flash should be treated no better than anyone else who scrubbed out in Ro32.

He is being treated differently though, he's put in group D. As far as competition goes this is pathetic from both great and hydra, so selfish and insecure.


How do you mean, selfish?

Because they tried to knock out the best of the competition early? You think progamers have some kind of duty to create fair games and entertainment for the fans? They play to win in order to make a living. What should they have done differently, exactly, to ensure that they weren't being selfish?

They followed the rules given to them anyway, so don't complain about hydra and great.


I'll complain all I want. I'm not saying that the choice isn't in their best interest, or that they are breaking any rules. I'm saying they are selfish and insecure.

The early stages in any tourney shouldn't have the top 3 players eliminating each other, it's simply bad for the sport and tournament. They are damaging the tournament so they can win an empty victory. Therefore they are selfish, which is not respectable.


What you're saying is that progamers should make it harder to get wins in order to entertain the fans. You're saying that progamers should play by a certain set of unwritten rules. When Bisu decided not to change group, he was being selfish. Did you lose respect for him? Did you lose respect for every single progamer who has ever made a decision in their career which helped them at the expense of entertainment? That's every progamer.

All of those players are there to win the tournament. Should a terrible player that no one likes roll over and forfeit a Starleague Ro4 match in order to make a more epic finals match?

If anything, blame the MSL selection process. Otherwise, I'd love to see the rules that you think players should abide by that aren't enforced by the MSL.

It's not a matter of respect for you though, it's just that you're angry that a good player will get knocked out early and you need someone to hate.
BW4Life!
BreakerD
Profile Joined March 2010
United States159 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 20:44:47
April 10 2011 20:43 GMT
#1194
You gotta give great and hydra props they knew what they were doing LOL. Look at how they setup the groups. Almost every category has a zerg in it. And out of every one of those group the zerg has a high chance of making it to ro16. I can see why they didnt put fantasy in group D, its because he has a hard time against zerg unless he's on a good day so it didnt matter. Putting Sea in group D instead of stork was a good idea because stork doesnt seem to do well against zerg so even if he advances he'll face a zerg and have a high chance of losing.

High chances of knocking out top players with the way these two set it up:
Only 2 of the top players are getting out of D. Fantasy might get knocked out against Zs. Stork maybe in ro16.

In other words both are trying to set up an zvz msl final again LOL.
Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 21:37:04
April 10 2011 20:59 GMT
#1195
WTF GROUP D


Sea T.T

Hydra and Great won't be making that many fans by the way they played that.
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419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3632 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 22:15:57
April 10 2011 22:12 GMT
#1196
The early stages in any tourney shouldn't have the top 3 players eliminating each other, it's simply bad for the sport and tournament. They are damaging the tournament so they can win an empty victory. Therefore they are selfish, which is not respectable.

Viewed according to previous results in the MSL, which is the only thing that matters in the seeding -- well, except for the reordering at ro8 -- the top 3 players aren't TBLS. Flash would be ~24th-32nd, Bisu would be 9th-16th, Stork 5th-8th, Jaedong 3rd/4th. True, this probably isn't representative of actual player skill, but then, SLs aren't about who's the best overall, but who's capable of performing during the season. Why should Flash be rewarded for pulling a chokemaster 9000 with an easy group?

I hate analogies, but in general, doing bad in a previous tournament puts you at higher risk of being knocked out in the subsequent one (see: tennis single-elimination brackets).

I wish you lot would stop being so disingenuous - its not about the games, you're just unhappy about your fan favorite being at risk of being knocked out early.
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garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
April 10 2011 22:14 GMT
#1197
Oh you've got to be shitting me. Crossing my fingers for Bisu.

Damn it, this group is a dream come true, but I just can't be happy with it knowing that two of these players will be gone so early in the tournament.
#TeamBuLba
hmmm...
Profile Joined March 2011
632 Posts
April 10 2011 23:20 GMT
#1198
On April 11 2011 02:13 trance- wrote:
Some of the whining in this thread is hilarious. Hydra's final pick troll was the best part of the show. I look forward to watching group D and to watching whichever players play their best make the final, not which ones have the most fanboys on TL

Actually I hope Great and Hydra meet again in the final just to elicit maximum rage from the people flipping their shit about the group of death. And that group will be a lot of fun to watch btw, each game will be so tense.


now if stork was put in group D, different words could be coming out of your mouth.....haha
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
April 10 2011 23:41 GMT
#1199
On April 11 2011 05:43 BreakerD wrote:
In other words both are trying to set up an zvz msl final again LOL.


Ahahah yeah they really hate MBCGame's ratings. I actually think this is hilarious. It's brutal, sure, but progaming has never been about having your hand held. The only one I feel bad for is Jaedong because he made it all the way to the semis and still couldn't avoid a hard group.
(╬ ಠ益ಠ)
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-10 23:56:38
April 10 2011 23:42 GMT
#1200
On April 11 2011 05:43 BreakerD wrote:
You gotta give great and hydra props they knew what they were doing LOL. Look at how they setup the groups. Almost every category has a zerg in it. And out of every one of those group the zerg has a high chance of making it to ro16. I can see why they didnt put fantasy in group D, its because he has a hard time against zerg unless he's on a good day so it didnt matter. Putting Sea in group D instead of stork was a good idea because stork doesnt seem to do well against zerg so even if he advances he'll face a zerg and have a high chance of losing.

High chances of knocking out top players with the way these two set it up:
Only 2 of the top players are getting out of D. Fantasy might get knocked out against Zs. Stork maybe in ro16.

In other words both are trying to set up an zvz msl final again LOL.

Nope...

They didn't set up the groups. There were zergs in most of the groups even before they made changes. They only set up group D.

They didn't put Fantasy in group D probably because Bisu was already in it, teamkill. In any case Hydra was seriously comtemplating switching Sea and Fantasy but it looked like he wanted Sea to beg him to do so which Sea didn't.

Hydra couldn't move Stork at all because he's seeded.
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