EPTBoxer and Yellow and what they showed in ogn semi - Page 10
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United States1455 Posts
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[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
Korea (S)1912 Posts
Teams are going to be too uneven T-T Its already uneven T-T And especially for POS if July goes to SKT1 POS has no ace player who represents the team | ||
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Geval
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SoL.Origin
Argentina2400 Posts
Boxer practiced 8 rax a lot, yellow practiced fast exp a lot. If yellow had gone 9 pool in the 2nd game, he would have to ignore his entire training and thus be thrown into a improvisation game, which boxer is known to be the best at, not to mention that boxer did practice that build a lot. He had much higher chance of winning by playing the way he played and trying to find a solution to his problem (stopping the rush). | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
On November 12 2004 21:19 Tien wrote: yeah i guess I should give up on you too. You are the self proclaimed enlightened one after all. Congrats. You know what I don't understand Tien? You don't even fucking play this game....What right do you have to talk about it. None. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Im willing to drop this topic right here and now. We all have our oppinions about this and lets just leave it at that. To each his own. I dont play this game? I thought I did for the past 4 years. Maybe im wrong, with you being the enlightened one maybe you are right, I never played this game. Or maybe because I quit playing constantly 4 months ago (I got fed up of bunker rushes) means im no longer entitled to say anything about it, even though I still play with friends once in a while who I know wont cheese me every game. EDIT: If you do want to add anything constructive to this topic than respond to my post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=7&topic_id=20115 which is 2/3s of the way down. I dont wanna get into petty flame wars. | ||
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
On November 12 2004 20:33 Kobayashi wrote: Actually I'll change that, it shows a ton of respect (maybe a little fear even) for his opponent and a total disrespect for the public. It shows fear.Not respect. | ||
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
On November 12 2004 21:03 Elvin_vn wrote: Yellow's logic: - Boxer trained very hard before the match - Counter to 8 rax is 9 pool. But Boxer knows this too and he sure planned this as well. - If I 9 pool, I will enter a battle which Boxer prepared for me. - I can play micro game with anyone else, but not with Boxer. 9 pool = automatic lose. - I must do something he never expected. - I must do something he never trained to play with. - I must gamble hatch before pool and pull off his rush by drones. Eventually, Yellow lost. It's not his fault. May be the zerg is so weak in a micro war at early stage. 9 pool is not a counter for 8 rax. | ||
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
On November 12 2004 20:52 uhjoo wrote: boxer's build as i saw it was 8 rax 9 depot 16 depot or so to fast acad. so basically, a 1 rax fast acad build with a cheese rush thrown in. so, in essence, getting the benefits of a fast rush + the aggressiveness of a 1 rax acad rush should the scv rush not succeed. So its my build ,with the slight difference of Boxers 1000 times better micro.  Haha, now that I remember I even did it 3 times in a row vs some Gamei zerg to see if it works if predicted.I can show you the replays!! :D | ||
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WickeD
Slovakia789 Posts
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Elvin_vn
Vietnam2038 Posts
On November 13 2004 13:59 WickeD wrote: A bit off topic, but hell .... Is there any possibility to send some cheers to Yellow? I personally would love to post at his fan site or something, or maybe a TL.net comunity letter or soemthing? Can any of the Koreans around here help with this... PM me or post here... I would mail him "GOD has abadoned you, but we are with you" Yellow for president  | ||
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WickeD
Slovakia789 Posts
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ieatkids5
United States4628 Posts
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worst.player
625 Posts
On November 13 2004 12:45 SoL.Origin wrote: ]I think people don't understand something: Boxer practiced 8 rax a lot, yellow practiced fast exp a lot. If yellow had gone 9 pool in the 2nd game, he would have to ignore his entire training and thus be thrown into a improvisation game, which boxer is known to be the best at, not to mention that boxer did practice that build a lot. He had much higher chance of winning by playing the way he played and trying to find a solution to his problem (stopping the rush). This man is golden. He speaks the truth. Now the question is: what will happen to zvt? Is it only based on maps? Or whats up? There will never be perfectly balanced map. Can YellOw be the | ||
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
You must be forgetting that boxer said he was planning to have a low econ micro oriented game, not to kill yellow with the first attack. The rush was an opening to his strategy, not an attempt of cheese. It's meant to make the zerg cancel the hatchery or spend a lot of minerals to maintain it, so then both players are poor as a result; which results in a few units, which is just the way boxer likes it. For all you know, boxer intended to have some good back and forth games; it was yellow who lost because boxer's attacks were very good and yellow was very stubborn. | ||
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dsh
United States879 Posts
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dsh
United States879 Posts
On November 13 2004 12:45 SoL.Origin wrote: I think people don't understand something: Boxer practiced 8 rax a lot, yellow practiced fast exp a lot. If yellow had gone 9 pool in the 2nd game, he would have to ignore his entire training and thus be thrown into a improvisation game, which boxer is known to be the best at, not to mention that boxer did practice that build a lot. He had much higher chance of winning by playing the way he played and trying to find a solution to his problem (stopping the rush). another thing is boxer might know yellow too well | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
On November 13 2004 22:50 MPXMX wrote: In response to Tien's post You must be forgetting that boxer said he was planning to have a low econ micro oriented game, not to kill yellow with the first attack. The rush was an opening to his strategy, not an attempt of cheese. It's meant to make the zerg cancel the hatchery or spend a lot of minerals to maintain it, so then both players are poor as a result; which results in a few units, which is just the way boxer likes it. For all you know, boxer intended to have some good back and forth games; it was yellow who lost because boxer's attacks were very good and yellow was very stubborn. Its practically impossible to have a back and forth game when your first priority is to rush the hell out of your opponent. His plan A was to win quickly with rush, and plan B was to force a low econ game which tend to be extremely boring. Game 1 for example. I have only seen 1 game in my entire life where both players played off a low econ and forced a long game. That was a replay of Chojja vs some terran where Chojja 5 or 6 pools the terran which goes standard 12 rax. I really dont want to have an argument over build orders, but I just wanted to add that its very hard for zerg to play pool first like Testie said if the Terran goes straight up 12 rax. It has always been a gamble for zerg whether or not to go hatch first to even the gameplay, or start off at a disadvantage and hopefully count on the terran to do something other than a standard build, which isnt common. | ||
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Geval
788 Posts
On November 14 2004 00:08 Tien wrote: Its practically impossible to have a back and forth game when your first priority is to rush the hell out of your opponent. His plan A was to win quickly with rush, and plan B was to force a low econ game which tend to be extremely boring. Game 1 for example. I have only seen 1 game in my entire life where both players played off a low econ and forced a long game. That was a replay of Chojja vs some terran where Chojja 5 or 6 pools the terran which goes standard 12 rax. I really dont want to have an argument over build orders, but I just wanted to add that its very hard for zerg to play pool first like Testie said if the Terran goes straight up 12 rax. It has always been a gamble for zerg whether or not to go hatch first to even the gameplay, or start off at a disadvantage and hopefully count on the terran to do something other than a standard build, which isnt common. If yellow would go 9 pool, he would not be beaten that fast, although he would eventually lose. The problem is that nobody (especially zergs) can match Boxer in Low econ game  Is not Boxer's fault. | ||
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wasted
Germany1789 Posts
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