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SoL.Origin
Profile Joined September 2003
Argentina2400 Posts
November 13 2004 15:52 GMT
#201
On November 13 2004 18:22 worst.player wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2004 12:45 SoL.Origin wrote:
I think people don't understand something:

Boxer practiced 8 rax a lot, yellow practiced fast exp a lot. If yellow had gone 9 pool in the 2nd game, he would have to ignore his entire training and thus be thrown into a improvisation game, which boxer is known to be the best at, not to mention that boxer did practice that build a lot. He had much higher chance of winning by playing the way he played and trying to find a solution to his problem (stopping the rush).
]

This man is golden. He speaks the truth.

Now the question is: what will happen to zvt? Is it only based on maps? Or whats up? There will never be perfectly balanced map. Can YellOw be the


i think this "unbalance" is a completely situational thing, its just situations that the players couldnt find a way to overcome and so they whine about an unbalance that doesnt exist. The only "unbalance" there is in this game is at the skill level point of view. If you put a terran from 6 years ago, no matter how good he was, against any half good protoss today, protoss would win just because terrans back then didnt even know how to block their choke. Back then, that was probably considered an "unbalance" but now that terrans know how to stop all common protoss rushes people say pvt is too hard at pro level.
Son Of Law
Hydrolisko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Vanuatu1659 Posts
November 13 2004 18:39 GMT
#202
... this is totally blown outta proportion.. it is very simple... they play to win and will do whatever it takes to achieve that... absolutely nothing wrong with what boxer did, he played and he won... why would you wanna "show respect" or "make it entertaning" if you risk losing. Winning is first, everything else is secondary. Sure, if you can win and do it with style and respect, then thats awsome, but winning is still winning with or without style and respect. If i knew a way to win every game, i'll use it over and over til the day i lose. I'm a Z player and yellow is one of my favs if not the most favorite, but i'm not going to sit here and rip boxer as if he did something wrong. He did absolutely nothing wrong.

Beast_Bg
Profile Joined October 2002
Bulgaria1623 Posts
November 13 2004 18:59 GMT
#203
Just to say again - Boxer's build was not cheese, he had obviously planned all the possible variations.
MadFrog : In my opinion, the biggest reason why WC3 is dying is because it is not such a great game as Brood War is.
Hwoarang
Profile Joined August 2004
Korea (South)235 Posts
November 13 2004 19:09 GMT
#204
Poor yellow, I hope he feels better soon and wins the KT-KTF league
By the way, what are people's opinions on 4 or 5 pools compared to 7 or 8 rax + bunker rushes?

To do is to be -(Aristotle) To be is to do -(Edison) Do be do be do -(Sinatra)
Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
November 13 2004 22:46 GMT
#205
On November 14 2004 04:09 Hwoarang wrote:
Poor yellow, I hope he feels better soon and wins the KT-KTF league
By the way, what are people's opinions on 4 or 5 pools compared to 7 or 8 rax + bunker rushes?


scv is just too strong
do not agrue with idiots, they will pull you down to their level and beat you with their experiences
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
November 13 2004 23:25 GMT
#206
On November 14 2004 04:09 Hwoarang wrote:
Poor yellow, I hope he feels better soon and wins the KT-KTF league
By the way, what are people's opinions on 4 or 5 pools compared to 7 or 8 rax + bunker rushes?



rax more powerful tt
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
ItchReliever
Profile Joined April 2004
2489 Posts
November 13 2004 23:34 GMT
#207
i never knew why they made scvs more powerful, somebody explain?
Vashp2
Profile Joined November 2004
63 Posts
November 14 2004 01:46 GMT
#208
i agree with you,. But, it would be better, if they showed us those amazing games they played at 1.09, for example... but, anyway, likes you said, it was mental strat from BoxeR, and it'd function very well... nice post dude
worst.player
Profile Joined July 2004
625 Posts
November 14 2004 02:11 GMT
#209
On November 14 2004 00:52 SoL.Origin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2004 18:22 worst.player wrote:
On November 13 2004 12:45 SoL.Origin wrote:
I think people don't understand something:

Boxer practiced 8 rax a lot, yellow practiced fast exp a lot. If yellow had gone 9 pool in the 2nd game, he would have to ignore his entire training and thus be thrown into a improvisation game, which boxer is known to be the best at, not to mention that boxer did practice that build a lot. He had much higher chance of winning by playing the way he played and trying to find a solution to his problem (stopping the rush).


This man is golden. He speaks the truth.

Now the question is: what will happen to zvt? Is it only based on maps? Or whats up? There will never be perfectly balanced map. Can YellOw be the


i think this "unbalance" is a completely situational thing, its just situations that the players couldnt find a way to overcome and so they whine about an unbalance that doesnt exist. The only "unbalance" there is in this game is at the skill level point of view. If you put a terran from 6 years ago, no matter how good he was, against any half good protoss today, protoss would win just because terrans back then didnt even know how to block their choke. Back then, that was probably considered an "unbalance" but now that terrans know how to stop all common protoss rushes people say pvt is too hard at pro level.


Meh. This 8rax rush is perfect though... On those certain maps where it can be executed, it WILL (should) be executed.

Then the problem is the maps, cuz, we all know that zerg can't operate on a pro level off of one base vs terran. Then toss gets fucked over. Then we need Bill to create a perfect map.
KH1031
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States862 Posts
November 14 2004 11:19 GMT
#210
ahhhh

boxer>yellow

i wonder how soon will this be popular

and how soon will the z's find a counter strategy
FreeMarine
Profile Joined November 2004
Canada76 Posts
November 14 2004 11:59 GMT
#211
If Xellos/Nada/Midas/Goodfriend or any other top terrans start owning up with this strat 3-0 then we might have a problem. But wait thats not going to happen.
worst.player
Profile Joined July 2004
625 Posts
November 14 2004 12:38 GMT
#212
On November 14 2004 20:59 FreeMarine wrote:
If Xellos/Nada/Midas/Goodfriend or any other top terrans start owning up with this strat 3-0 then we might have a problem. But wait thats not going to happen.


True.

And i wonder if BoxeR will keep on using this strat.

3-0'ing yellow in under 10 minutes. rofl. that's fucking godly. i can't believe people player hate him.
gunkyman
Profile Joined November 2003
United States98 Posts
November 14 2004 12:49 GMT
#213
The first game itself was 15 minutes, the second was 4 minutes, the third 3 minutes, so it really took him ~22 minutes. Anyway the probability of him getting close positions on all 3 games was 30% (or .67^3), and combined with yellows unlucky scouting in the first two, I'd say he was pretty lucky to pull it off three times. Still though if anyone was going to do it, it would have to be boxer.
worst.player
Profile Joined July 2004
625 Posts
November 14 2004 12:59 GMT
#214
I just watched the games. These games officially make boxer the best player of all time. Period.

I think it was mensrea who said "boxer is an alien sent to our time from the future to show humans how to play starcraft." wow.. sheer brilliance. i almost teared watching these games. props...
Jansports
Profile Joined November 2004
United States80 Posts
November 14 2004 15:28 GMT
#215
The thing about the 8Rax Rush is that it totaly obliterates Zergs previous best option, 12 Hat. In the long long ago time Zerg players realized they needed 2 bases of econ to stand up to BSBA Builds from the ever growing terran. The power of infantry and techery (Meds/Stims/Range/bats) OWned up on Zerg.

The Zerg discoverd 12 hat 12 pool and they could have up enough force to beat back the terran onslaught without getting macro screwd.

Now Terran has 8 Rax - Bunks which obviously beats ass on any attempt at fast expo. So Zerg must learn to deal with it by adopting a nicer paced 9 pool-ish build

Anyone stuck in their ways is getting massacred
I play P ?!
Geval
Profile Joined September 2004
788 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-14 16:25:30
November 14 2004 16:24 GMT
#216
On November 14 2004 08:34 ItchReliever wrote:
i never knew why they made scvs more powerful, somebody explain?

simple
SCV is the only worker unit that doenst have reneretion (there reparation cost $$). If SCV has 50 hp or even better 40 hp. my scouting probe would kill at least one scv and probably even 2 without much micro.
Moreover, SCV are vunerable while they are building.
Btw. Drones get back 100% when they morp.... I bet you know that.
Anyway I think there hp should get down to 55 hp
WOW cant believe LT gave me BETA KEY thx thx thx thx thx
theburningred
Profile Joined October 2004
France92 Posts
November 14 2004 18:16 GMT
#217
Oh plz blizzard help zergs!
come on, increase bunkers cost or bunkers build time, or hmm give the zerg maphack for the first 2minutes, or make an alert sound when terran begins to build a barrak...
BLACK SHEEP WALL is a nice counter to boxer's strategy, yes?
Abahgus
Profile Joined June 2004
United States323 Posts
November 14 2004 19:03 GMT
#218
Pros play to win, period.
Bunkers are soso good. - GroT
mtheory
Profile Joined October 2004
Netherlands155 Posts
November 14 2004 19:04 GMT
#219
On November 15 2004 03:16 theburningred wrote:
Oh plz blizzard help zergs!
come on, increase bunkers cost or bunkers build time, or hmm give the zerg maphack for the first 2minutes, or make an alert sound when terran begins to build a barrak...
BLACK SHEEP WALL is a nice counter to boxer's strategy, yes?


Zerg maphack for the first 2 minutes -> 4 drone rush gg ?
742
Profile Joined August 2004
United Kingdom58 Posts
November 14 2004 23:32 GMT
#220
boxers play was perfect, yellow did not adapt to boxers strategy
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