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ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
November 12 2004 14:54 GMT
#161
what could yellow have done to win any of those games.
i didnt see vod yet due to messed up website.
any ideas?
hatch his base?
Micro.Macro.Scouting.Harassment.
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
November 12 2004 15:20 GMT
#162
9 hatch, 9 pool, 6 lings

gg boxer
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
November 12 2004 15:37 GMT
#163
On November 12 2004 20:45 Kobayashi wrote:
what is wrong (in my opinion) is that Boxer planed from the start to decide this series in the very first minutes of every game, that imho is a terrible line of thought for someone so influent in this game and will never help bw improve and move forward


you dont understand the build order

its not meant to end the game immediately, it just happened to work out that way

its meant to force both players to play with almost no economy, making it mainly a control battle, which Boxer is most comfortable in

it was a great build
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
November 12 2004 15:40 GMT
#164
"if he beat it"

you make it sound like there was a chance yellow's drones could have decimated boxer's scv and marine

the whole point of the build was to put both players very far behind
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
RedMeat
Profile Joined September 2002
United Kingdom490 Posts
November 12 2004 15:43 GMT
#165
Agree with whoever said Boxer is not the only one who used the same build three times in a row! I have no doubts that Yellow has gone home to think about how to combat this build rather than sitting around bitching about Boxer's 'cheese' and refusal to play him with a standard build. Seriously... everyone who complains about certain types of build is just the sort of player who will never be top level because they make excuses rather than learning to play.
I am the mirror, I am the destiny, I am the herald that points the way...
DevilZbOy
Profile Joined November 2004
United States36 Posts
November 12 2004 15:49 GMT
#166
sigh... everyone who is against boxer for doing what he did to win, are fools!, even Yellow dosnt blame him ( Boxer ) for what he did, go check out his interview from after the match! Bio this is especially for you.
DevilZbOy
Profile Joined November 2004
United States36 Posts
November 12 2004 15:51 GMT
#167
actually, ppl who complain about what boxer did, should just give starcraft up! , amen
Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
November 12 2004 15:59 GMT
#168
On November 13 2004 00:51 DevilZbOy wrote:
actually, ppl who complain about what boxer did, should just give starcraft up! , amen


exactly what i feared, some people will give up

It depends on yellow now. If yellow quits right now starcraft will fall. If yellow fight, starcraft will have another chance.
do not agrue with idiots, they will pull you down to their level and beat you with their experiences
ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
November 12 2004 16:07 GMT
#169
On November 13 2004 00:59 Elvin_vn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2004 00:51 DevilZbOy wrote:
actually, ppl who complain about what boxer did, should just give starcraft up! , amen


exactly what i feared, some people will give up

It depends on yellow now. If yellow quits right now starcraft will fall. If yellow fight, starcraft will have another chance.


W-T-F? Did you actually mean this?

btw, did anyone else smell July on SK T1?
ModeratorFather of bunnies
uhjoo
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)1740 Posts
November 12 2004 16:27 GMT
#170
On November 13 2004 01:07 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:

btw, did anyone else smell July on SK T1?


no kidding... if this happens, say good bye to those space pirates o_O
i want bubbles the warrior monkey back
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
November 12 2004 18:56 GMT
#171
On November 13 2004 01:07 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2004 00:59 Elvin_vn wrote:
On November 13 2004 00:51 DevilZbOy wrote:
actually, ppl who complain about what boxer did, should just give starcraft up! , amen


exactly what i feared, some people will give up

It depends on yellow now. If yellow quits right now starcraft will fall. If yellow fight, starcraft will have another chance.


W-T-F? Did you actually mean this?

btw, did anyone else smell July on SK T1?


Haha, SKT-1 would finally have a good Zerg practice partner! Come on... Mumyung?

Yellow will, of course, move on. I'm sure, like anyone, he'll be upset for some time, but he is, after all, a pro, and if he dwells on this for too long it will begin to effect his other games, which would be worse than being beaten three times by the same strat. When it comes down to it, it's just one league, and there will be others-- to quit over something like that... that'd be really low.
I'm never gonna know you now \ But I'm gonna love you anyhow.
thelucas
Profile Joined October 2004
Slovakia285 Posts
November 12 2004 19:31 GMT
#172
Boxer = Respect
Man u good, because u got strenght to do something, that even TL community dont understand.
Honor not blame.
U are so upredictible, that even YELLOW didnt know, that u will go the same strategy 3 times in a row.
unpredictible = best
this is possibility to show what is perfection
JazZ[AutO]
Profile Joined November 2003
United States558 Posts
November 12 2004 20:23 GMT
#173
I found a good way to find this strategy out as i have already played against a few attempts at it after this damn game finished, but )Is(City used to 6 drone scout for ZvR and I think that works well for ZvT if you are worried about bunk rushed. Unless is is across the map positions you can scout the terran early enough for a 9 pool if needed.
zero89
Profile Joined September 2004
United States295 Posts
November 12 2004 22:13 GMT
#174
all this people complaining about boxer beating yellow cheesely

go kill yourself u know

the objective is to win

no matter how

if yellow have practiced
he shouldve also practiced an anti bunker rush strat

dont call boxer a pansy
when you guys dont get payed to play and waste your time "believing you will become a progamer" when u will never will
when theres hundreds of "KOREAN PROGAMERS" already

and progaming is in Korea
so if ur not Korean and dont know their culture

ur practically NOTHING

so now stfu
and play ur stupid bnet or what ever league sc games

cuz you caring is not worth it

btw i dont play sc but im just so freaking tired of reading these "thinking they are progamers" people who posts their ignorant opinions about boxer

btw
BOXER DID CHEESE YELLOW SO WHAT
pfft
Cause everything is nothing, and emptiness is in everything. Cause reality is really just a fuct up dream...
distant_voice
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Germany2521 Posts
November 12 2004 23:31 GMT
#175
the reminds me of ppl commenting on modern art with "bah, that's rubbish, I could've done that". I always want to shout in their faces "maybe, the point is: you didn't"
This is my truth, tell me yours!
distant_voice
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Germany2521 Posts
November 12 2004 23:37 GMT
#176
Oh, and reading the articles on sirlin.net made my day. Go read them!
This is my truth, tell me yours!
Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
November 12 2004 23:38 GMT
#177
On November 13 2004 04:31 thelucas wrote:
Boxer = Respect
Man u good, because u got strenght to do something, that even TL community dont understand.
Honor not blame.
U are so upredictible, that even YELLOW didnt know, that u will go the same strategy 3 times in a row.
unpredictible = best

u missed the whole thing -_-;
do not agrue with idiots, they will pull you down to their level and beat you with their experiences
8882
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
2720 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-12 23:47:33
November 12 2004 23:42 GMT
#178
On November 12 2004 20:47 Tien wrote:
Ill post what I said in another thread here.

God 1024MB, that post you linked was one heap of trash. I had to literally squint my eyes reading your 8 points. From

"You know probably 1/10000 about the situation at hand here."

All the way to your young boy description of people who want good games, your post was filled with garbage. I will attempt to try and have a proper argument and counter some of your arguments that arent filled with trash.

You say that progamers should do everything they can to win. How would you feel if every single game turned out to be 5-10 minute games filled with 9pools, bunker rushes, proxy gates, and proxy raxes? Do you actually like watching these games? What would happen if when YOU played starcarft, every game would end within 10 mins? Every game you would either win by cheese or lose by it. Im 100% sure you wouldnt be playing this game for long.

You say that they shouldnt care about entertaining us. I think they should. Entertainment is the only thing that will keep the fanbase alive. You have to accept that there is a LARGE majority of people out there who actually like long entertaining games. Delivering garbage games like these will do nothing but push them away. If all boxing matches started to end up in 1 round knockouts, nobody will be attracted to watch it. I for one would stop watching it. I watch boxing (and like millions of other people) in hope of that amazing back and forth fight where the boxers give it their all. I remember fights not because they lasted 1 round, but because they went all the way to the 12/14 round where both fighters toughed it out and gave it everything they had.

This was also a Boxer vs Yellow CLASSIC. There is no better way to promote this game then have a classic series of back and forth action. Thats why I like players like Nada and Iloveoov (well i dont really like iloveoov but he entertains me) who are able to deliver high quality games. If I want some crappy ass games filled with bunker rushes, ill go play in wgtour myself.

Series like these do nothing to promote starcraft. I stayed up all night hoping I would get a good series and all I get is a "Fuck You, I play to win". How do you think this makes me feel?


I wonder why noone answered on this post. You are completely right. Or well, other people just like to watch cheese vs cheese games...
Look for Nada for example-he never uses luck based strats and his games last longer, when more things can happen. However he is confident and doesnt need to cheese.
Despite the fact I hate pvt, I prefered reach vs oov games with creative strats and not the simple bunker rush. Maybe for you it is fun to see bunker rush 3times. For me it is the standard build I see while playing zvt on wgtour, which leads to uninteresting games.
Of course there is also Yellow's fault -he could have made 12pool->11hatch.



On November 13 2004 08:31 distant_voice wrote:
the reminds me of ppl commenting on modern art with "bah, that's rubbish, I could've done that". I always want to shout in their faces "maybe, the point is: you didn't"


to create modern art and live from it, you need to have connections
not skills, plus why is modern art even considered good? 95% people dont understand "the white square on white canvass", because it's crap. 'normal' art, or artists creating better modern art can be understood by everyone -this is good, this is art.
in addition I dont know wtf do you mean, what does it have to do with starcraft
I have returned
A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-12 23:55:07
November 12 2004 23:53 GMT
#179
Jesus Christ, is every second person in this post a moron? Boxer, nor any other progamer owes to you a 20+ minute slugfest. To think otherwise is inexplicable with any logic that doesn't involve unreasonable selfishness. These games ARE NOT scripted, so why treat this like the players can actually control what type of games are played? No, not every single game from now is going to be a cheese battle, firstly not everyone has a Boxer level of control; secondly, progamers want a consistent win % and cheesing every game would put you at about a 50% win ratio; thirdly, Boxer's "cheese" was effective because no one had ever done it three games in a row before, which was brilliant. This series was exciting because who the fuck cheeses three games in a row? Games can be exciting for the actual action that goes in the game, and ALSO the mental games that go on before during and after each match.
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
Kacas
Profile Joined July 2003
Brazil3143 Posts
November 13 2004 00:21 GMT
#180
right!
cheesing is not playing only for win
coz there's a big percentage of you to lose
t_T
I Love Hyori Lee =* icq: 41760400 / msn: kayen_chn at hotm
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