EPTI personally think losing 3-4 to one of the best TvP players ever is pretty damn good, so credit to Strafe for that. What I'm even more enthousiastic about is that Gundam won and we'll be seeing him some more. Against what I would consider a tougher opponent that Strafe.
Strafe vs Gundam - Liquibition 15
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
I personally think losing 3-4 to one of the best TvP players ever is pretty damn good, so credit to Strafe for that. What I'm even more enthousiastic about is that Gundam won and we'll be seeing him some more. Against what I would consider a tougher opponent that Strafe. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13200 Posts
GJ both. | ||
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ChApFoU
France2983 Posts
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Chibi[OWNS]
United Kingdom10597 Posts
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RedAreStupid.
Sweden476 Posts
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Misca
Netherlands605 Posts
I to think the games were a bith strange, like strafe didn't even try in some games. Good job tho.. | ||
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hasuwar
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
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typhy
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Misca
Netherlands605 Posts
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Nal_Testie
Canada1257 Posts
But he was just hoping to surprise Gundam with that, despite me telling him explicitly not to when he questioned me about it earlier on. I told him if he's going to do that, he had better have a ramp. It's actually a feasible strat in 9 vs 6 PvT on lotem, and on some other maps in other positions as well. Edit: I do not think Gundams build on Neo Forbidden zone was particularily bad. I think he was hoping to surprise him more than anything else. Killing observer, knocking out probes, possible drop defense, and the going m/m/tank was decent as well. But Strafe played safe and sent an observer to his base first, instead of oh say.. 4 zealots or something. Not that most people wold drop first though on Neo Forbidden. ;-) I think Gundams TvP there had some credibility and looked kind of sneaky / smart considering the situation he let himself get into. Unfortuneately he was found first with observer. As anyone who goes gol drop on that map first will be pretty much 100% dead. Some people think Gundam played badly there... but I don't really consider it that bad at all on maps that vs most people would favour a protoss. (I do not call many maps like nostalgia imbalanced, because you can get around that).  | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
 If Gundam wasn't touching those tanks reaver would've died EDIT: I totally can't understand that siege/unsiege masturbation... | ||
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Gandalf the Wizard
United States163 Posts
Last two games ended too fast for me  | ||
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proTOSS[GER]
858 Posts
"siege/unsiege masturbation" - damn funny :D | ||
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
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eAmYo
Germany194 Posts
and now shut up  | ||
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racebannon
Canada1225 Posts
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
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Sadist
United States7286 Posts
He had idle scvs in his main and his play looked very sloppy. While gundam may not have always been noted for his macro, the nostalgia game was really bad in my opinion. Its not strafes fault that gundam didnt play that well, but it does sort of discredit some of the games. going 2 port wraith on forbidden zone was pretty stupid thuogh, i havent seen anyone go reaver on that or dt drop since its so easy to the expo below tyour base with gates and such onthe ground Hopefully gundam plays better in the next series vs whoever ;d | ||
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Nal_Testie
Canada1257 Posts
No real reason except for my extreme hate for Gundam. | ||
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Twitt
United States733 Posts
On November 03 2004 10:18 Nal_Testie wrote: Personally, I hope he plays worse. No real reason except for my extreme hate for Gundam. wtf, that came outta left field. Why would you hate gundam? | ||
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Nal_Testie
Canada1257 Posts
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FrinkX
United States958 Posts
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KiLLme1st
United States1824 Posts
Now my question is based on what GroT said in his little report, maybe I am just slow but is the next opponent Testie? On a different note DAMN YOU Testie for the 2v2 lashings *shakes fist* | ||
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GroT
Belgium3003 Posts
It's infinitely more difficult to ignore everyone's views about what's "standard" and what "owns" on this map etc and still become a very good player by making only your own conclusions from each game NFZ is a very hard map for TvP, and reaver drop is VERY scary. Gundam made a build that annihilates fast drops and does bad against fast shuttle/land gates/obs. Gundam microed bad and lost most of his expensive, early wraiths accomplishing nothing. While observing I thought he would never be able t leave his island and put up a fight for the land, but Ihe got raxes and went m&m, something me and I'm sure a whole bunch of you didn't even consider, to solve that problem and give him a shot. If you make your own creative style, builds and strategy and you lose with them, there will aaaaaaaalways be people who say "lol u suck, u should have done this and that cause i saw nada winning like that" well the fact is he doesn't suck. When rekrul played his first practice games in hexatron vs gundam, he said "fuck, gundam is the best tvp i have ever played" | ||
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GroT
Belgium3003 Posts
It just pisses me off when people diss gundam because of the creativity that makes him my favorite player | ||
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GroT
Belgium3003 Posts
On November 03 2004 09:57 racebannon wrote: gundam had one scv on gas for the first 4 minutes of the game on requiem and when strafe DT rushed in one of the other games he never built an academy despite it going on for a long ass time see, this is what I mean do you really think gundam had one scv on his gas because he somehow misclicked 2 scvs away from his refinery? | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On November 03 2004 06:29 [pG]Liquid`Nazgul wrote: No topic about it yet, maybe some of you guys need to share your feelings well then here you go. I personally think losing 3-4 to one of the best TvP players ever is pretty damn good, so credit to Strafe for that. What I'm even more enthousiastic about is that Gundam won and we'll be seeing him some more. Against what I would consider a tougher opponent that Strafe. You mean, you're going to play Gundam next?! | ||
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Nal_Testie
Canada1257 Posts
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On November 03 2004 11:46 Nal_Testie wrote: GroT, if there's one thing i've learned, - while being here especally - is to not force a higher understanding down the throats of other players. Unfortuneately, you must just let them spew their ignorance. They won't get it until they learn for themselves. Do not bother attempting to make public posts teaching. It will only frustrate the teacher. It's always nice to see someone who actually knows what they're talking about talk about the games. Having to (not literally) see all these people who know so little talk about how poor Gundam played is really ridiculous. I think it's a good thing that people like GroT say things to try and educate the people who know so little-- even though it's a very frustrating process. | ||
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Addicted`To`Zerg
Bulgaria1353 Posts
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viCe
United States24 Posts
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jtan
Sweden5891 Posts
I was really confused about the suicide strat on forbiddenZone though^^ Nice that he tried it anyway | ||
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Nal_Testie
Canada1257 Posts
We're pro's. Yeah, that's right. Booyakka. ! | ||
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
On November 03 2004 11:46 Nal_Testie wrote: GroT, if there's one thing i've learned, - while being here especally - is to not force a higher understanding down the throats of other players. Unfortuneately, you must just let them spew their ignorance. They won't get it until they learn for themselves. Do not bother attempting to make public posts teaching. It will only frustrate the teacher. As a "teacher" in other fields, I have felt the same way before, but becoming a student here I changed my mind and I don't agree with you anymore. Generally speaking (not this topic particularly), for every idiot answering with some stupid comments there are a lot of lurkers abstaining from uneducated remarks and drinking your teaching. Please don't disappoint them | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
i dont make the dum remarks saying they sucked tho | ||
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Tomhas
Poland70 Posts
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Alpha
France1495 Posts
On November 03 2004 12:27 Tomhas wrote: games were poor ... gundam dosent look like he looked like 1 year ago in tvp he didnt play difirent from other pro's he didnt do his bamboo terran rush like he used to. Thou he was my best and will be tvp player 4ever he lost alot not sticking to the top of the pro league maybe ure right, or maybe he was just playing at a low level, who knows, its true we will always remeber him | ||
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racebannon
Canada1225 Posts
On November 03 2004 11:44 GroT wrote: see, this is what I mean do you really think gundam had one scv on his gas because he somehow misclicked 2 scvs away from his refinery? no he had one scv on gas because he never moved any after it finished building. 3 minutes later he realized and moved another, then noticed there was still only 2 and moved another Or was that some sort of amazing strategy of his that is so far beyond my limited intellect that I could never hope to understand it. It's great that you think he's really good, I'm not saying he isn't, but don't try and pretend it was some awesome strategy or his uncanny ability to think outside of the box when he just forgot to mine gas or build an academy. I mean shit dawg I totally saw nada mining gas after he built a refinery so he should have done that actually now that i watched it he did have 3 on gas but moved 2 back, he might have done it on purpose or by accident | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
The requiem game was poor, the dahlia game was just a perfect counter with solid micro by strafe. the mercury game was failed cheese, the bifrost game was successful cheese. the nostalgia game gundam just played horribly while strafe played great. and the nfz was a good idea that didnt work out too well. I think gundam should have used his build more and I really dont like strafe's build. he get's obs really fast but at the cost of some units, which are absolutely necessary against an opponent like gundam. | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
I think Gundam played his best games ever vs me. He was never this good before. Im telling you the skill Gundam had in those games was far beyond godlike. You all just close your eyes for the beauty , because you cant handle it. | ||
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wasted
Germany1789 Posts
gundam vs. tfeign | ||
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juSblazin
United States691 Posts
On November 03 2004 13:14 wasted wrote: next liquibition: gundam vs. tfeign LOL | ||
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GroT
Belgium3003 Posts
and if that were possible , I am telling you i know for a fact that he did it on purpose the problem is not with your "limited intellect", you just don't want to accept that you were wrong same goes for the academy thing, he already got 3facts, a port, ships, ebay, whole bunch of turrets before his first exp not getting an academy was a choice of his too, not a "mistake" | ||
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Chaso
Sweden143 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
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Chaso
Sweden143 Posts
edit: I just added a little "aswell" to avoid semantiscs | ||
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racebannon
Canada1225 Posts
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baal
10541 Posts
On November 03 2004 12:56 {ToT}Strafe wrote: Hmm I think Gundam played his best games ever vs me. He was never this good before. Im telling you the skill Gundam had in those games was far beyond godlike. You all just close your eyes for the beauty , because you cant handle it. lol egomaniac | ||
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GooDGaMe
United States989 Posts
GroT, thanks for organizing a really entertaining liquibition match, you people should be grateful, he got you a pro-gamer for freaken sake! Hope the next liquibition has less one-sided games  | ||
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Oem)LimeGoN
United States24 Posts
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
get some humour, im not retarded. At least thats what I always want to think | ||
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blasian
United States180 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
The game weren't very entertaining but 90% of the games aren't 'super gosu' so hence you can't have 7 superb games in a liquibition | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
On November 03 2004 11:46 Nal_Testie wrote: GroT, if there's one thing i've learned, - while being here especally - is to not force a higher understanding down the throats of other players. Unfortuneately, you must just let them spew their ignorance. They won't get it until they learn for themselves. Do not bother attempting to make public posts teaching. It will only frustrate the teacher. Sorry, what was that Testie? I can't hear you from all the way up on that high horse... | ||
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Ebenol
Sweden1983 Posts
On November 03 2004 16:34 ManaBlue wrote: He's right though.Sorry, what was that Testie? I can't hear you from all the way up on that high horse... | ||
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Nal_Testie
Canada1257 Posts
It's just a fact. You cannot ride this horse. It is too big. It would throw you off it's back. I ride the type of horse Clint Eastwood would ride. You ride the horse in the mall that takes quarters. Actually, yours probably takes nickles. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27154 Posts
On November 03 2004 16:40 Nal_Testie wrote: My horse is higher. It's just a fact. You cannot ride this horse. It is too big. It would throw you off it's back. I ride the type of horse Clint Eastwood would ride. You ride the horse in the mall that takes quarters. Actually, yours probably takes nickles. Bwahaha, art post. | ||
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karelen
Sweden2407 Posts
On November 03 2004 12:56 {ToT}Strafe wrote: Hmm I think Gundam played his best games ever vs me. He was never this good before. Im telling you the skill Gundam had in those games was far beyond godlike. You all just close your eyes for the beauty , because you cant handle it. rofl, strafe is my hero | ||
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EAGER-beaver
Canada2799 Posts
Some of the games were wierd, but not wierd in a brilliant way. More like a crap way. Don't get me wrong, I love wierd, I'm the guy who randoms and plays something off the wall every game and I can't stand games that come down to macro fests/meat grinders. Lots of those games felt like macro fests /meat grinders, particularily from strafe. I wasn't all that impressed by the reaver drop on dhalia either, that wasn't mad skills on strafe's part, just a mad fuck up on gundam's part. Don't get me wrong, compared to the rest of us, those were incredible games, just nothing very memorable about them. gundam didn't even gundam rush. Wtf is that?!?!? | ||
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RushTHElarvA
449 Posts
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Capulet
Canada686 Posts
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tfeign
United States2980 Posts
On November 03 2004 13:14 wasted wrote: next liquibition: gundam vs. tfeign  For me I would nominate PJ vs Gundam next liquibition | ||
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Dave[9]
United States2365 Posts
going m&m w/ wriaths holy shit it looked like they were screweing around 90% of the games | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On November 03 2004 09:57 racebannon wrote: gundam had one scv on gas for the first 4 minutes of the game on requiem and when strafe DT rushed in one of the other games he never built an academy despite it going on for a long ass time Gundam does juggle gas scvs on and off the gas you know.. He has perfected it pretty much But yeah, some of the games he felt a little sloppy (the dahlia game mostly, and nostalgia). Strafe was solid~_~ | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Isn't gundam kind of known for his double cc (as in 2 new ccs alternatively 1 cc) on island maps? Maybe he was hoping to catch strafe trying to drop him.. And the double rax seemed, to me, like a natural followup grot :O | ||
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GroT
Belgium3003 Posts
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draeger
United States3256 Posts
On November 03 2004 16:40 Nal_Testie wrote: My horse is higher. It's just a fact. You cannot ride this horse. It is too big. It would throw you off it's back. I ride the type of horse Clint Eastwood would ride. You ride the horse in the mall that takes quarters. Actually, yours probably takes nickles. hahaha | ||
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baal
10541 Posts
On November 03 2004 15:04 {ToT}Strafe wrote: get some humour, im not retarded. At least thats what I always want to think sorry, i didnt watch the reps before posting that, now that i've seen Gundams game i get your joke ^^ | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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red.venom
United States4651 Posts
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Sadist
United States7286 Posts
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TreK
Sweden2089 Posts
neo forbidden zone is hard tvp i think...unless u get the position that gundam got...then its pretty easy...not so far to push to protoss exp : ) | ||
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klaasdebaas
59 Posts
ik vond je goed spelen rob, volgende keer beter! -xx- marco | ||
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sztuczyn
Poland694 Posts
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Br0KeN
United States118 Posts
On November 03 2004 06:33 RowdierBob wrote: The game on Nostalgia really impressed me. GJ both. yep good playing on both sides, very gg | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
But by watching gundam im actually waiting to see his decisions... like when he sees some zealots he starts building bats... also M&m + tank requires shitloads of micro vs toss.. and lots more vs reaver. Some moves where very good, like when they were fighiting over the bridge in dhalia. the scans, sieges/unsieges, stims to make reaver hold back, bunker, etc etc. Omfg if gundam woudl have pulled that move out in NFZ everyone would be lickiing his boots like theres no tomorrow. Now you bash him :S | ||
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badme
United States49 Posts
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Pro.NT_Knight
Australia539 Posts
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AsleepDan
80 Posts
and strafe is really good P also dont sleep on him | ||
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N.sL)_CirCle
New Zealand478 Posts
In every game strafe won he controlled that game well enough to win In every game gundam won it was just complete domination, it was as if he predicted and countered every move strafe made. GG! | ||
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on.sp33d
134 Posts
Well, we could at least see both players must have been somewhat nervous a few times. =) | ||
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[ErOs]~InCoGniTo
Italy513 Posts
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x2fst
1272 Posts
No way, the nostalgia game was the worst of the series by far. I fell asleep from boredom... or maybe it was grot's monptone jk | ||
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
On November 03 2004 12:11 viCe wrote: Gundam is pro? Doesn't look like it. *shaking hands* Btw,I REALLY like Gundam,hes one of my favourite players,but he just played bad.I like his TvZ and TvT more than his TvP ,btw. | ||
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AmazingFlash
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banned_manner
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banned_manner
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
If you had newspost about these games, and knew anything about testie you'd know that he's gundam's next opponent in liquibet and that testie was J O K I N G. GASP! SHOCK! | ||
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banned_manner
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omgbnetsux
United States3749 Posts
On November 05 2004 13:54 FrozenArbiter wrote: Well you'll be banned again soon enough so I dunno why I bother telling you this.. If you had newspost about these games, and knew anything about testie you'd know that he's gundam's next opponent in liquibet and that testie was J O K I N G. GASP! SHOCK! On a side note, you appear to have turned back into a probe... | ||
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Veigh
Netherlands300 Posts
On November 05 2004 14:06 omgbnetsux wrote: On a side note, you appear to have turned back into a probe... Read the topic of FA's 10.000 posts and you'll understand his cute little probe | ||
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Dex
Poland52 Posts
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kCiNNiCk
United Kingdom313 Posts
Gogo Gundam! GG Strafe | ||
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Abahgus
United States323 Posts
Nice Job Stryfe, thanks for the cool games. | ||
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
On November 03 2004 16:40 Nal_Testie wrote: My horse is higher. It\'s just a fact. You cannot ride this horse. It is too big. It would throw you off it\'s back. I ride the type of horse Clint Eastwood would ride. You ride the horse in the mall that takes quarters. Actually, yours probably takes nickles. You gotta understand where I'm coming from here Testie. You're a great player, so are many others on this board. Just because someone ignorantly says something about you being wrong or some other stupid crap doesn't mean you have to get all condesending in a general way to everyone here who isn't gosu at SC. That's all I'm saying. BTW GL against Gundam. I'm looking forward to seeing what you can do...and for the record, I'm voting for you in the liquibet. Don't let me down. | ||
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Nal_Testie
Canada1257 Posts
;-) | ||
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Evil_Monkey
Denmark38 Posts
Strafe showed a lot of potential though.... | ||
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
On November 07 2004 12:59 Nal_Testie wrote: ManaBlue, doh. Gundam is a phearsome player. And i'm not sure if I should choose to use more balanced maps than the ones Strafe picked.. or umm.. attempt to abuse slightly imbalanced maps. ;-) What are you saying there Testie? Your subtlety knows no bounds... Haha :D | ||
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GroT
Belgium3003 Posts
On November 07 2004 12:59 Nal_Testie wrote: ManaBlue, doh. Gundam is a phearsome player. And i'm not sure if I should choose to use more balanced maps than the ones Strafe picked.. or umm.. attempt to abuse slightly imbalanced maps. ;-) testie i'm not allowing you to choose the maps There will be a fixed map list from now on | ||
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Nal_Testie
Canada1257 Posts
Fuck I had just made my list of maps for PvT! Korhal Korhal Korhal Korhal Korhal And ZvT Legacy of Char x5 Tho gundam is really good at legacy on that map.. with his big ugly mech build! Edit: But I swear to god, there better be Bifrost! | ||
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