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On April 27 2011 21:56 stafu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 21:36 iMp.will. wrote:
Err, he is a korean in a foreigner tournament
And to fast forward into this it really doesnt matter where he lives because hes still a korean Are you saying Korean's are only good at StarCraft because of something in their blood? What a joke. It's living in the Korean scene and practicing within it that makes Korean players a notch above. If he doesn't live in Korea, I don't see what possible argument you would have (I have no idea if he does or does not live in Korea, but if he doesn't then I don't see what the problem is).
hmm,he can speak korean,and u can see on his stream he train with semipro players and very gosu skill players of brainclan,also they can teach him and help aloot,for be korean,we dont have that ... 
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On April 27 2011 21:56 stafu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 21:36 iMp.will. wrote:
Err, he is a korean in a foreigner tournament
And to fast forward into this it really doesnt matter where he lives because hes still a korean Are you saying Korean's are only good at StarCraft because of something in their blood? What a joke. It's living in the Korean scene and practicing within it that makes Korean players a notch above. If he doesn't live in Korea, I don't see what possible argument you would have (I have no idea if he does or does not live in Korea, but if he doesn't then I don't see what the problem is).
Dude this is a foreigner tournament and he is a korean. He was given the green light to play because he lives in the USA and the rules says no korean ips which favours koreans abroad like him to participate.
Its just my thoughts on the matter so chill.
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On April 27 2011 19:59 roman012 wrote:
Sayle and JoeKim did a great job and were the main reason why this tournament turned so well.
that was very touching
but the real reason why this tournament turned out "well" would be the sponsors and Game's organization. if anything, Sayle brought viewers and helped in the revival of SC:BW with his contributions and coverage. it helped the community thrive as a whole, but in terms of ISL...ISL could have just been another tournament consisting of brackets, referees, and money.
On April 27 2011 22:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:hmm,he can speak korean,and u can see on his stream he train with semipro players and very gosu skill players of brainclan,also they can teach him and help aloot,for be korean,we dont have that ...
in reference to the matter of Scan being permitted to play, none of the points that were made have validity. here are some reasons why: anyone can learn korean and "talk to semipros" or train with them. that's not an issue of communication, that's an issue of connections. so if anyone gets proficient training from great players, they shouldn't be allowed to play?
myself, michael(OD), and NrG.GoD are all korean. in retrospect, we could have done the same no? i actually know some non-Koreans that are extremely fluent and far better than myself at Korean. ToT)Mondragon( trained with koreans, regardless of not knowing the language.
the argument has no basis. let's say Scan were to get banned from future events for your nonsensical theory and a random Canadian newbie decided to get lessons from Scan. does that mean that random Canadian newbie shouldn't be allowed to play?
the last time Scan was intently into 1v1 Laddering was during his G4i days. then he transitioned into playing 2v2 mainly for the past few seasons and 1v1ing occasionally whenever his ally wasn't online or if he got bored and wanted to try a strat he saw on Proleague.
the "no Koreans" rule in my eyes, was an effort to keep out the Courage level Koreans who cannot comprehend basic English and more than likely have insane ping. where does ISL draw the line? simple, Game's discretion. living in korea would be a big advantage to any player solely due to the exposure of SC:BW in their sports world. i'm not sure if i'll get chewed out for sharing this information, but Mongoliana was one of the questionable players because he has been living in Korea for a the past few years.
why is this just surfacing now? why not during the Ladder Stage or even the Group Stage? now that Scan won the first ISL it's complete wahhhhhfest? don't get mad, get better. adapt & overcome.
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On April 28 2011 11:54 JoeKim wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 19:59 roman012 wrote:
Sayle and JoeKim did a great job and were the main reason why this tournament turned so well.
that was very touching but the real reason why this tournament turned out "well" would be the sponsors and Game's organization. if anything, Sayle brought viewers and helped in the revival of SC:BW with his contributions and coverage. it helped the community thrive as a whole, but in terms of ISL...ISL could have just been another tournament consisting of brackets, referees, and money. Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 22:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:hmm,he can speak korean,and u can see on his stream he train with semipro players and very gosu skill players of brainclan,also they can teach him and help aloot,for be korean,we dont have that ... in reference to the matter of Scan being permitted to play, none of the points that were made have validity. here are some reasons why: anyone can learn korean and "talk to semipros" or train with them. that's not an issue of communication, that's an issue of connections. so if anyone gets proficient training from great players, they shouldn't be allowed to play? myself, michael(OD), and NrG.GoD are all korean. in retrospect, we could have done the same no? i actually know some non-Koreans that are extremely fluent and far better than myself at Korean. ToT)Mondragon( trained with koreans, regardless of not knowing the language. the argument has no basis. let's say Scan were to get banned from future events for your nonsensical theory and a random Canadian newbie decided to get lessons from Scan. does that mean that random Canadian newbie shouldn't be allowed to play? the last time Scan was intently into 1v1 Laddering was during his G4i days. then he transitioned into playing 2v2 mainly for the past few seasons and 1v1ing occasionally whenever his ally wasn't online or if he got bored and wanted to try a strat he saw on Proleague. the "no Koreans" rule in my eyes, was an effort to keep out the Courage level Koreans who cannot comprehend basic English and more than likely have insane ping. where does ISL draw the line? simple, Game's discretion. living in korea would be a big advantage to any player solely due to the exposure of SC:BW in their sports world. i'm not sure if i'll get chewed out for sharing this information, but Mongoliana was one of the questionable players because he has been living in Korea for a the past few years. why is this just surfacing now? why not during the Ladder Stage or even the Group Stage? now that Scan won the first ISL it's complete wahhhhhfest? don't get mad, get better. adapt & overcome.
So Canadians are NOOBS now? /RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Scan almost lost to Sziky anyway (game on medusa could have gone to sziky) so why does it matter if he is korean? The games still seem pretty close. IMO The reason why he won is probably because he played more than other people (maybe cause connections, maybe cause hes like 15 and has more time) but if you want to get better - just play more and research more and then you can avoid the problem of thinking he is better.
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i guess you're insinuating that you'll be getting lessons from Scan?
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this was a great event, thanks for all the work sayle game and jk mostly, it shows how far you can get on little resources when you got enough passion
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On April 28 2011 16:17 anatem wrote:
this was a great event, thanks for all the work sayle game and jk mostly, it shows how far you can get on little resources when you got enough passion
thanks for the support and kind words, keeps us motivated to reproduce absolute awesome offspring.
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Just finished watching last of games I missed, and what a great journey its been! Big cheers and bows for all organizers and sponsors. Its really great to see basically new crew to find their own style and not change from original even when some whine like mad.
Some criticism was really harsh, but in a way gotta say you guys handled it like a pro and found ways to improve even from that. Now we just need Sayle to stop dating and do more casting(Slave contract him)
Also semis and finals was best entertainment I've had for while, as Diggity did co-op with Sayle amazingly. It was overall really great experience.
I have now realized that when ever I read Games/Sayles/JoeKims posts, They sound (in my head) like them from casts, specially Game, I even add those small bursts of laugh in between those silly remarks 
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On April 28 2011 16:55 Jienny wrote:I have now realized that when ever I read Games/Sayles/JoeKims posts, They sound like them from casts, specially Game, I even add those small bursts of laugh in between those silly remarks
hahaha, yeah it's also fun to match faces with ISL players >.< (cough ISL-interviews-plug-here cough)
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On April 27 2011 22:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2011 21:56 stafu wrote:On April 27 2011 21:36 iMp.will. wrote:
Err, he is a korean in a foreigner tournament
And to fast forward into this it really doesnt matter where he lives because hes still a korean Are you saying Korean's are only good at StarCraft because of something in their blood? What a joke. It's living in the Korean scene and practicing within it that makes Korean players a notch above. If he doesn't live in Korea, I don't see what possible argument you would have (I have no idea if he does or does not live in Korea, but if he doesn't then I don't see what the problem is). hmm,he can speak korean,and u can see on his stream he train with semipro players and very gosu skill players of brainclan,also they can teach him and help aloot,for be korean,we dont have that ...
I stopped playing 1v1 in brainclan since November. I only played there for 2v2. West is much better than brainclan becuz good players are always from west and they have clans. They just play at brainclan for ranking up the 1v1 ladder. Your 1v1 ladder rank will be proving your skill and it helps a lot to join new clan. Btw brainclan people most likely play strategies, micro and cheesy build games. On the other hand, in west, if you cheese someone, people will dodge you becuz most players play west for macro game(not early game. You can play agressive style but no cheese and half all in). Btw they don't teach me. I just play against them for practice and fix my mistakes or macro game.
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On April 28 2011 14:50 dRaW wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 11:54 JoeKim wrote:On April 27 2011 19:59 roman012 wrote:
Sayle and JoeKim did a great job and were the main reason why this tournament turned so well.
that was very touching but the real reason why this tournament turned out "well" would be the sponsors and Game's organization. if anything, Sayle brought viewers and helped in the revival of SC:BW with his contributions and coverage. it helped the community thrive as a whole, but in terms of ISL...ISL could have just been another tournament consisting of brackets, referees, and money. On April 27 2011 22:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:hmm,he can speak korean,and u can see on his stream he train with semipro players and very gosu skill players of brainclan,also they can teach him and help aloot,for be korean,we dont have that ... in reference to the matter of Scan being permitted to play, none of the points that were made have validity. here are some reasons why: anyone can learn korean and "talk to semipros" or train with them. that's not an issue of communication, that's an issue of connections. so if anyone gets proficient training from great players, they shouldn't be allowed to play? myself, michael(OD), and NrG.GoD are all korean. in retrospect, we could have done the same no? i actually know some non-Koreans that are extremely fluent and far better than myself at Korean. ToT)Mondragon( trained with koreans, regardless of not knowing the language. the argument has no basis. let's say Scan were to get banned from future events for your nonsensical theory and a random Canadian newbie decided to get lessons from Scan. does that mean that random Canadian newbie shouldn't be allowed to play? the last time Scan was intently into 1v1 Laddering was during his G4i days. then he transitioned into playing 2v2 mainly for the past few seasons and 1v1ing occasionally whenever his ally wasn't online or if he got bored and wanted to try a strat he saw on Proleague. the "no Koreans" rule in my eyes, was an effort to keep out the Courage level Koreans who cannot comprehend basic English and more than likely have insane ping. where does ISL draw the line? simple, Game's discretion. living in korea would be a big advantage to any player solely due to the exposure of SC:BW in their sports world. i'm not sure if i'll get chewed out for sharing this information, but Mongoliana was one of the questionable players because he has been living in Korea for a the past few years. why is this just surfacing now? why not during the Ladder Stage or even the Group Stage? now that Scan won the first ISL it's complete wahhhhhfest? don't get mad, get better. adapt & overcome. So Canadians are NOOBS now? /RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Scan almost lost to Sziky anyway (game on medusa could have gone to sziky) so why does it matter if he is korean? The games still seem pretty close. IMO The reason why he won is probably because he played more than other people (maybe cause connections, maybe cause hes like 15 and has more time) but if you want to get better - just play more and research more and then you can avoid the problem of thinking he is better.
lol what makes you think I play more than 15games per day? Btw I don't play 1v1 nowadays. I play 2v2 more than 1v1 I can prove you by giving my autoreplay packet. When I start playing 2v2, I felt 2v2 needs good multitasks and fundamental becuz since I'm Terran I have to support my ally Zerg and you need good timing of clicking to split marines and medics when Protoss storms on your marines and medics. 2v2 is really damn hard for Terran becuz like what joekim said, I was 1v1 player but i started playing 2v2 when I joined G4i. 2v2 was hard becuz you always need timing understand opponents and ally so you can play the better build order or unit combination. 2v2 is most likely brain game(requires some good multitasks and good macro with 1-2 base). It's fun and I like it. Oh my point is getting way off.. Don't say it like that unless you know what I'm doing.
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On April 29 2011 02:38 hanbang1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2011 14:50 dRaW wrote:On April 28 2011 11:54 JoeKim wrote:On April 27 2011 19:59 roman012 wrote:
Sayle and JoeKim did a great job and were the main reason why this tournament turned so well.
that was very touching but the real reason why this tournament turned out "well" would be the sponsors and Game's organization. if anything, Sayle brought viewers and helped in the revival of SC:BW with his contributions and coverage. it helped the community thrive as a whole, but in terms of ISL...ISL could have just been another tournament consisting of brackets, referees, and money. On April 27 2011 22:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:hmm,he can speak korean,and u can see on his stream he train with semipro players and very gosu skill players of brainclan,also they can teach him and help aloot,for be korean,we dont have that ... in reference to the matter of Scan being permitted to play, none of the points that were made have validity. here are some reasons why: anyone can learn korean and "talk to semipros" or train with them. that's not an issue of communication, that's an issue of connections. so if anyone gets proficient training from great players, they shouldn't be allowed to play? myself, michael(OD), and NrG.GoD are all korean. in retrospect, we could have done the same no? i actually know some non-Koreans that are extremely fluent and far better than myself at Korean. ToT)Mondragon( trained with koreans, regardless of not knowing the language. the argument has no basis. let's say Scan were to get banned from future events for your nonsensical theory and a random Canadian newbie decided to get lessons from Scan. does that mean that random Canadian newbie shouldn't be allowed to play? the last time Scan was intently into 1v1 Laddering was during his G4i days. then he transitioned into playing 2v2 mainly for the past few seasons and 1v1ing occasionally whenever his ally wasn't online or if he got bored and wanted to try a strat he saw on Proleague. the "no Koreans" rule in my eyes, was an effort to keep out the Courage level Koreans who cannot comprehend basic English and more than likely have insane ping. where does ISL draw the line? simple, Game's discretion. living in korea would be a big advantage to any player solely due to the exposure of SC:BW in their sports world. i'm not sure if i'll get chewed out for sharing this information, but Mongoliana was one of the questionable players because he has been living in Korea for a the past few years. why is this just surfacing now? why not during the Ladder Stage or even the Group Stage? now that Scan won the first ISL it's complete wahhhhhfest? don't get mad, get better. adapt & overcome. So Canadians are NOOBS now? /RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Scan almost lost to Sziky anyway (game on medusa could have gone to sziky) so why does it matter if he is korean? The games still seem pretty close. IMO The reason why he won is probably because he played more than other people (maybe cause connections, maybe cause hes like 15 and has more time) but if you want to get better - just play more and research more and then you can avoid the problem of thinking he is better. lol what makes you think I play more than 15games per day? Btw I don't play 1v1 nowadays. I play 2v2 more than 1v1 I can prove you by giving my autoreplay packet. When I start playing 2v2, I felt 2v2 needs good multitasks and fundamental becuz since I'm Terran I have to support my ally Zerg and you need good timing of clicking to split marines and medics when Protoss storms on your marines and medics. 2v2 is really damn hard for Terran becuz like what joekim said, I was 1v1 player but i started playing 2v2 when I joined G4i. 2v2 was hard becuz you always need timing understand opponents and ally so you can play the better build order or unit combination. 2v2 is most likely brain game(requires some good multitasks and good macro with 1-2 base). It's fun and I like it. Oh my point is getting way off.. Don't say it like that unless you know what I'm doing.
When did 15 games a day become a small number? In fact, that's holy shit amount of games unless you live in Korea.
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Im not saying Game didnt do anything etc. He was the man behind this tournament and I may say he did an amazing job running everything. Especially finding sponsors is extremly hard thing nowadays yet he did.. Props for all the work he did!
Still that bm behaviour didnt do him a favour at all.
ps
roman012
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U talking about scan not to be allowed to participate in tournaments??? u mad guys. He is a top player in the community now.
It's just that he should realise that him being the top player gives him some responsibility, as he is the "face" of foreign broodwar community. ;;
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On April 29 2011 03:28 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2011 02:38 hanbang1993 wrote:On April 28 2011 14:50 dRaW wrote:On April 28 2011 11:54 JoeKim wrote:On April 27 2011 19:59 roman012 wrote:
Sayle and JoeKim did a great job and were the main reason why this tournament turned so well.
that was very touching but the real reason why this tournament turned out "well" would be the sponsors and Game's organization. if anything, Sayle brought viewers and helped in the revival of SC:BW with his contributions and coverage. it helped the community thrive as a whole, but in terms of ISL...ISL could have just been another tournament consisting of brackets, referees, and money. On April 27 2011 22:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:hmm,he can speak korean,and u can see on his stream he train with semipro players and very gosu skill players of brainclan,also they can teach him and help aloot,for be korean,we dont have that ... in reference to the matter of Scan being permitted to play, none of the points that were made have validity. here are some reasons why: anyone can learn korean and "talk to semipros" or train with them. that's not an issue of communication, that's an issue of connections. so if anyone gets proficient training from great players, they shouldn't be allowed to play? myself, michael(OD), and NrG.GoD are all korean. in retrospect, we could have done the same no? i actually know some non-Koreans that are extremely fluent and far better than myself at Korean. ToT)Mondragon( trained with koreans, regardless of not knowing the language. the argument has no basis. let's say Scan were to get banned from future events for your nonsensical theory and a random Canadian newbie decided to get lessons from Scan. does that mean that random Canadian newbie shouldn't be allowed to play? the last time Scan was intently into 1v1 Laddering was during his G4i days. then he transitioned into playing 2v2 mainly for the past few seasons and 1v1ing occasionally whenever his ally wasn't online or if he got bored and wanted to try a strat he saw on Proleague. the "no Koreans" rule in my eyes, was an effort to keep out the Courage level Koreans who cannot comprehend basic English and more than likely have insane ping. where does ISL draw the line? simple, Game's discretion. living in korea would be a big advantage to any player solely due to the exposure of SC:BW in their sports world. i'm not sure if i'll get chewed out for sharing this information, but Mongoliana was one of the questionable players because he has been living in Korea for a the past few years. why is this just surfacing now? why not during the Ladder Stage or even the Group Stage? now that Scan won the first ISL it's complete wahhhhhfest? don't get mad, get better. adapt & overcome. So Canadians are NOOBS now? /RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Scan almost lost to Sziky anyway (game on medusa could have gone to sziky) so why does it matter if he is korean? The games still seem pretty close. IMO The reason why he won is probably because he played more than other people (maybe cause connections, maybe cause hes like 15 and has more time) but if you want to get better - just play more and research more and then you can avoid the problem of thinking he is better. lol what makes you think I play more than 15games per day? Btw I don't play 1v1 nowadays. I play 2v2 more than 1v1 I can prove you by giving my autoreplay packet. When I start playing 2v2, I felt 2v2 needs good multitasks and fundamental becuz since I'm Terran I have to support my ally Zerg and you need good timing of clicking to split marines and medics when Protoss storms on your marines and medics. 2v2 is really damn hard for Terran becuz like what joekim said, I was 1v1 player but i started playing 2v2 when I joined G4i. 2v2 was hard becuz you always need timing understand opponents and ally so you can play the better build order or unit combination. 2v2 is most likely brain game(requires some good multitasks and good macro with 1-2 base). It's fun and I like it. Oh my point is getting way off.. Don't say it like that unless you know what I'm doing. When did 15 games a day become a small number? In fact, that's holy shit amount of games unless you live in Korea.
when did draw[see] even say 15 games? lol he said that Scan is like 15 (subtext *years old*)
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I didn't? Scan said that.
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lol what the heck is going on.
Game, Joe Kim wasn't saying "games" as you in but as in you know gaming.
He's clarifying that dRaW said that Scan is "like" 15 as in his age and not playing (+/-) 15 games a day.
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I think you're misunderstanding. I'm quoting Scan and only Scan alone, I don't care was Draw[See] said. Scan says 15 games, I say 15 games, the sky is blue.
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On April 29 2011 10:42 Game wrote:
I think you're misunderstanding. I'm quoting Scan and only Scan alone, I don't care was Draw[See] said. Scan says 15 games, I say 15 games, the sky is blue.
Yeah it's either my misunderstanding or JoeKim quoted the wrong post lol
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lol, let's all argue for the sake of arguing
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