LRM)Game is proud to present to you Team AoV's ICCup Starleague, the largest BroodWar event in the last two years. AoV's ISL will have a prize pool over $1000.
Layout: * 20 days to qualify in ladder. * 56 players will play an MSL style 4 player bracket. * Four people will be hand-picked to not ladder and qualify for the ro32. * Round of 32 will be casted, bo3 brackets bo5 semifinals bo7 finals. * Showmatch of winner of ISL versus very prestigious retired BW player. * Semifinals replays will be casted before finals. * Finals and showmatch will be casted live.
Ladder rules: You are allowed to play anyone on and off an ISL tag. You can reset as many times as you like. The amount of games you can play versus one player is that of the iCCup rules.
1* The absolute and most important rule is that LRM)Game holds full discretion over ISL decisions.
2* You must use ICCup Anti-Hack Launcher for every game. All games must be played on maps from the ICCup map pack.
3* All disconnect and leave complaints must be sent in within 48 hours of the game being played.
4* No smurf accounts. Your account must be played with your known ID in it. If you are found out to be smurfing, you will be disqualified and no further participation in the tournament will be allowed. If you are worried about which ID you should use, PM LRM)Game at account LRM)Gayme on iccup.com. If you feel that not smurfing gives you an unfair disadvantage, you must appeal to LRM)Game at account LRM)Gayme on iccup.com. We will then give you a predetermined smurf name. Failure to comply will lead to disqualification.
5* All names must begin with ISL. Ex: ISL-Joekim ISL_NoOne [ISL]Sayle. You must join the team with 0-0 stats.
6* If you want to make a new name, you must inform us.
7* Stats: You cannot transfer stats. No points on your account can come from an ICCup tournament. If this occurs, you will lose those points and have a deduction. Failure to stop playing in them will have further punishment.
8* In order for previous hackers or abusers to play in ISL, they will need to provide certain things to LRM)Game, iCCup.NoOne, or Joekim which will be handled on a case to case basis if you qualify for the top 56. All discretion for this is held by the ISL Counter Abuse Team.
9* No hacking or abusing. This is very very basic. No multiple or shared accounts. No letting other players on your accounts. No taking free wins from friends. No selling wins. No playing against your own account. If suspected of abuse, failure to comply with ISL staff will result in a disqualification from the tournament.
10* Bad Manner will not be tolerated in the shoutbox at the ICCup team page.
11* No Korean IP addresses.
12* All ladder replays must be saved for your own safety and submitted at the end of the ladder to LRM)Game at account LRM)Gayme on iccup.com
13* Any major issues that concern anything to do with names, rules, or disqualification, need to be PMed to LRM)Gayme at iccup.com.
2* If highly suspected of listening to the stream of your game, you will be disqualified.
3* All games must be played on your ISL names.
4* All replays must be sent to iCCup.NoOne or your games will be reversed.
5* Once the countdown ends and the game begins, you must be /dnd.
ISL Pre-Schedule: Ladder Qualification: February 9th, 2011 - February 25th, 2011 at 3pm EST/21 CET Bracket 1-5: March 5th, 2011 Bracket 6-10: March 12th, 2011 Bracket 11-14: March 19th, 2011 ISL Begins: March 26th, 2011
AoV iCCup Starleague Schedule: Round of 32: March 26th, 2011 at 19CET. Round of 16: April 2nd, 2011 at 20:30CET. Round of 8: April 9th, 2011 at 20:30CET. Semifinals: April 16th, 2011 at 19CET. Finals: April 23rd, 2011 at 19CET. Showmatch: May 1st, 2011 at 19CET. All missed live games will be casted the following day beginning around 19CET.
"I am very happy to sponsor/announce this tournament. I hope it will be a great success with lots of viewers and participants. I wish everyone luck during the ladder phase and throughout the rest of the tournament. I have one more announcement for all of you later that will be revealed in a couple of days. Last be not least, I'm sorry to say this will be my last SC:BW tournament and I will continue to support my [AoV] SC:BW team throughout their entire time in the iCC CL and other CLs." - sYz-Adrenaline
"I'm very pleased to provide sponsorship for this league. The organizer of this has a compulsive regard for smoothness and its been an honor working with him. In conclusion, I hope a lot of the gamers here will keep their eyes out for live shoutcasting and skilled competition: the more activity the better. Shoutouts to Clan OverDosed." - a1k1a4k1
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As this is ICCup's Starleague, be very aware that there can be severe punishment for breaking of the rules depending on the rule. As for violating the rules, you will be held fully accountable for your actions. At the very least, breaking the rules will result in disqualification.
Ladder End Date: ISL Ladder will end February 25th instead of March 1st due to conflict with the season end of DotA and a heavy necessity for server maintenance.
Top Ladder Privledges: The top 6 at the end of the ladder will be able to pick their groups. The #1 in the ladder will pick 3 of the top 56 to be in their group, and those 3 people will be erased from the selection for the next highest in the ladder to choose from, etc. That will create 6 groups. The other 32 players will be put into a randomizer and their groups will be decided then, creating 8 more groups.
The maps:
Brackets/Group Stage: 1 v 2 @ Fighting Spirit 3 v 4 @ Hitchhiker
Winner vs Winner @ Colosseum II Loser vs Loser @ Destination
Winner of Loser vs Loser (vs) Loser of Winner vs Winner @ Heartbreak Ridge
Round of 32:
Round of 32: bo3Starts on Icarus, then the loser picks
Round of 16: bo5Starts on Empire of the Sun, the second game is on Othello, and then the loser picks.
Round of 8: bo5Starts on Neo Medusa, the second game is on Grandline SE, then the loser picks.
Semifinals: bo7Starts on Tau Cross, the second game is on Benzene, the third game is on Bloody Ridge, and then the loser picks.
Finals: bo9Starts on Python, the second game is on Matchpoint, the third game is on Sin Peaks of Baekdu, and then the loser picks.
New Staff Addition: Diggity will be casting the ISL Round of 32 alongside iCCup's own Sayle.
Edited Prize Pool: Of course everyone's favorite part of the announcement; the prize pool is being raised. The prize pool is going up to $1000 and has the possibility to go higher thanks to new and possible future sponsors. First place will be $500, second $250,third $150, and fourth $100. Places 5-8 will receive 25 bitcoinseach (bitcoins are worth approximately $1 USD each). In order to know what bitcoins are, YOU have to research them, do not ask me. But as is, they are a legitimate online currency.
Banned/reset: The total amount of people banned for abuse, smurfing, lack of rule following accompanied by the amount of people whom have had to reset due to not following iCCup's ladder rules has now reached 130 people + current pending cases. My hard work, all of the ISL staff's hard work, everyone who is helping with ISL, and all of the sponsors money will not touch the hands of an abuser, I promise you this.
Group 1: Dollar vs Roman012 @ Fighting Spirit Jumper vs Ace @ Colosseum II Winner vs Winner @ HitchHiker (Winner Advances) Loser vs Loser @ Destination
Winner of Loser vs Loser (vs) Loser of Winner vs Winner @ Heartbreak Ridge (Winner Advances)
Group 2: TTF vs vOddy @ Fighting Spirit Sziky vs DragOn @ Colosseum II Winner vs Winner @ HitchHiker (Winner Advances) Loser vs Loser @ Destination
Winner of Loser vs Loser (vs) Loser of Winner vs Winner @ Heartbreak Ridge (Winner Advances)
Group 3: BigPio vs Ramms @ Fighting Spirit Bakuryu vs sOte @ Colosseum II Winner vs Winner @ HitchHiker (Winner Advances) Loser vs Loser @ Destination
Winner of Loser vs Loser (vs) Loser of Winner vs Winner @ Heartbreak Ridge (Winner Advances)
Group 4: Zaraki vs GoTunk @ Fighting Spirit Sznycel vs Napoleon @ Colosseum II Winner vs Winner @ HitchHiker (Winner Advances) Loser vs Loser @ Destination
Winner of Loser vs Loser (vs) Loser of Winner vs Winner @ Heartbreak Ridge (Winner Advances)
Group 5: Scan vs Playa @ Fighting Spirit Cute vs JoeKim @ Colosseum II Winner vs Winner @ HitchHiker (Winner Advances) Loser vs Loser @ Destination
Winner of Loser vs Loser (vs) Loser of Winner vs Winner @ Heartbreak Ridge (Winner Advances)
Group 6: Shauni vs AstrO @ Fighting Spirit Fakap-_- vs Soul @ Colosseum II Winner vs Winner @ HitchHiker (Winner Advances) Loser vs Loser @ Destination
Winner of Loser vs Loser (vs) Loser of Winner vs Winner @ Heartbreak Ridge (Winner Advances)
Group 7: Southpark vs R-Must @ Fighting Spirit Trutacz vs Dsaqwe @ Colosseum II Winner vs Winner @ HitchHiker (Winner Advances) Loser vs Loser @ Destination
Winner of Loser vs Loser (vs) Loser of Winner vs Winner @ Heartbreak Ridge (Winner Advances)
Group 8: Eonzerg vs Mamon @ Fighting Spirit Julia vs Semih @ Colosseum II Winner vs Winner @ HitchHiker (Winner Advances) Loser vs Loser @ Destination
Winner of Loser vs Loser (vs) Loser of Winner vs Winner @ Heartbreak Ridge (Winner Advances)
Group 9: Technics vs Gucci @ Fighting Spirit TerroR vs Alfiomerda @ Colosseum II Winner vs Winner @ HitchHiker (Winner Advances) Loser vs Loser @ Destination
Winner of Loser vs Loser (vs) Loser of Winner vs Winner @ Heartbreak Ridge (Winner Advances)
Group 10: Pike vs Spx @ Fighting Spirit Szajna vs Bishop @ Colosseum II Winner vs Winner @ HitchHiker (Winner Advances) Loser vs Loser @ Destination
Winner of Loser vs Loser (vs) Loser of Winner vs Winner @ Heartbreak Ridge (Winner Advances)
Group 11: Gosudark vs Kazik @ Fighting Spirit Yayba vs 3acaga @ Colosseum II Winner vs Winner @ HitchHiker (Winner Advances) Loser vs Loser @ Destination
Winner of Loser vs Loser (vs) Loser of Winner vs Winner @ Heartbreak Ridge (Winner Advances)
Group 12: Kr vs Octzerg @ Fighting Spirit Various vs Casper @ Colosseum II Winner vs Winner @ HitchHiker (Winner Advances) Loser vs Loser @ Destination
Winner of Loser vs Loser (vs) Loser of Winner vs Winner @ Heartbreak Ridge (Winner Advances)
Group 13: Heme vs Skzlime @ Fighting Spirit FleSs vs DeSka @ Colosseum II Winner vs Winner @ HitchHiker (Winner Advances) Loser vs Loser @ Destination
Winner of Loser vs Loser (vs) Loser of Winner vs Winner @ Heartbreak Ridge (Winner Advances)
Group 14: Michael vs Kashu @ Fighting Spirit Hejek vs GoD @ Colosseum II Winner vs Winner @ HitchHiker (Winner Advances) Loser vs Loser @ Destination
Winner of Loser vs Loser (vs) Loser of Winner vs Winner @ Heartbreak Ridge (Winner Advances)
So the groups have started. Time for controversy. The first week has started off great, and will continue on Sunday with replay casts. Those who did not turn in their replays to iCCup.NoOne will be looked into on a case by case basis. Punishment will ensue regardless of that.
Dollar vs Roman Jumper vs Ace Ace vs Roman -> Ace advances to the ro32 Jumper vs Dollar -> Dollar is eliminated Roman vs Jumper -> Jumper advances to the ro32, Roman is eliminated
Group 2:
TTF vs vOddy Sziky vs DraGon Sziky vs TTF -> Sziky advances to the ro32 DraGon vs vOddy -> vOddy is eliminated DraGon vs TTF -> DraGon advances to the ro32, TTF is eliminated
Group 3:
BigPio vs Ramms Bakuryu vs sOte Ramms vs Bakuryu -> Ramms advances to the ro32 BigPio vs sOte -> BigPio is eliminated Bakuryu vs sOte -> Bakuryu advances to the ro32, sOte is eliminated
Group 4:
Zaraki vs GoTunk Sznycel vs Napoleon GoTunk vs Sznycel -> Gotunk advances to the ro32 Zaraki vs Napoleon -> Zaraki is eliminated Napoleon vs Sznycel -> Napoleon advances to the ro32, Sznycel is eliminated
Group 5:
Scan vs Playa Cute vs JoeKim Cute vs Scan -> Scan advances to the ro32 Joekim vs Playa Joekim vs Cute -> Cute advances to the ro32, Joekim is eliminated
Shauni vs Astro Fakap-_- vs Soul Fakap-_- vs Shauni -> Shauni advances to the Ro32 Soul vs Astro -> Astro is eliminated Fakap-_- vs Soul -> Fakap-_- advances to the Ro32, Soul is eliminated
Group 7:
Southpark vs R-Must Trutacz vs Dsaqwe Dsaqwe vs R-Must -> Dsaqwe advances to the Ro32 Trutacz vs Southpark -> Trutacz is eliminated R-Must vs Southpark -> Southpark advances to the Ro32, R-Must is eliminated
Group 8:
Eonzerg vs Mamon Julia vs Semih Mamon vs Julia -> Mamon advances to the Ro32 Eonzerg vs Semih -> Eonzerg is eliminated Semih vs Julia -> Julia advances to the Ro32, Semih is eliminated
Group 9:
Technics vs Gucci Terror vs Alfiomerda Terror vs Gucci -> Gucci advances to the Ro32 Alfiomerda vs Technics -> Technics is eliminated Alfiomerda vs Terror -> Alfiomerda advances to the Ro32, Terror is eliminated
Group 10:
Pike vs spx Szajna vs Bishop Pike vs Szajna -> Szajna advances to the Ro32 spx vs Bishop -> spx is eliminated Pike vs Bishop -> Bishop advances to the Ro32, Pike is eliminated
Gosudark vs Kazik Yayba vs 3acaga Yayba vs Gosudark -> Yayba advances to the Ro32 3acaga vs Kazik -> 3acaga is eliminated Kazik vs Gosudark -> Kazik advances to the Ro32
Group 12:
Kr vs Time Various vs Casper Kr vs vAriOus -> vAriOus advances to the Ro32 Time vs Casper -> Casper is eliminated. Kr vs Time -> Time advances to the Ro32
Group 13:
Heme vs Skzlime FleSs vs DeSka DeSka vs Heme -> Heme advances to the Ro32 FleSs vs Skzlime -> FleSs is eliminated Skzlime vs DeSka -> DeSka advances to the Ro32
Group 14:
Michael vs Kashu Hejek vs GoD Kashu vs Hejek -> Hejek advances to the Ro32 Michael vs GoD -> GoD is eliminated Michael vs Kashu -> Michael advances to the Ro32
Players who advanced:
Yayba 2-0 vAriOus 2-0 Heme 2-0 Hejek 2-0 Kazik 2-1 Time 2-1 DeSka 2-1 Michael 2-1
Fighting Spirit, Colosseum II, HitchHiker, Destination, HeartBreak Ridge 2, Icarus, Empire of the Sun, Othello, Neo Medusa, Grandline SE, Tau Cross, Benzene, Bloody Ridge, Python, Matchpoint, Peaks of Baekdu, Aztec
Round of 32 Map Breakdown: Ro32 Best of 3: Icarus Loser picks from: Heartbreak Ridge 2.1, Fighting Spirit 1.3, Colosseum II
Ro16 Best of 5: Empire of the Sun, Othello Losers picks from: Icarus, Fighting Spirit, Colosseum II, Destination
Ro8 Best of 5: Neo Medusa, Grandline SE Loser picks from: Icarus, Othello, Fighting Spirit, Empire of the Sun
Semifinals Best of 7: Tau Cross 1.1, Benzene, Bloody Ridge Loser picks from: Neo Medusa, Grandline SE, Othello, Empire of the Sun,Destination
Finals Best of 9: Python, Matchpoint, Sin Peaks of Baekdu Loser picks from: Benzene, Bloody Ridge, Tau Cross 1.1, Destination, Aztec, Neo Medusa, Heartbreak Ridge
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AoV iCCup Starleague's Round of 32 Brackets: Bracket I: + Show Spoiler +
NapoleonvsYaybaNapoleon advances to the Round of 16 defeating Yayba 2-1 HemevsCastrOHeme advances to the Round of 16 defeating CastrO 2-0 MamonvsKolllKolll advances to the Round of 16 defeating Mamon 2-1 CutevsRammsRamms advances to the Round of 16 defeating Cute 2-0 JuliavsSzikySziky advances to the Round of 16 defeating Julia 2-0 TiMevsBishopBishop advances to the Round of 16 defeating TiMe 2-0 ScanvsMichaelScan advances to the Round of 16 defeating Michael 2-1 KazikvsSzajnASzajnA advances to the Round of 16 defeating Kazik 2-1
Bracket II: GoTunkvsHejekHejek advances to the Round of 16 defeating GoTuNk 2-1 vAriOusvsGamevAriOuS advances to the Round of 16 defeating Game 2-1 GUCCIvsDeSkaDeSka advances to the Round of 16 defeating GUCCI 2-0 dsaqwevsSouthparkSouthPark advances to the Round of 16 with a WalkOver over dsaqwe JumpervsPatrOnJumper advances to the Round of 16 defeating PatrOn 2-0 DragOnvsBakuryuDragOn advances to the Round of 16 defeating Bakuryu 2-0 ShaunivsFakap-_-Shauni advances to the Round of 16 defeating Fakap-_- 2-1 AlfiomerdavsAceAce advances to the Round of 16 defeating Alfiomerda 2-0
AoV iCCup Starleague's Round of 16 Brackets: Bracket I: + Show Spoiler +
Bracket I: Napoleon1:3Heme Heme advances to the Ro8, Napoleon is eliminated. Kolll3:1Ramms Kolll advances to the Ro8, Ramms is eliminated. Sziky3:0Bishop Sziky advances to the Ro8, Bishop is eliminated. Scan3:1SzajnA Scan advances to the Ro8, SzajnA is eliminated.
Bracket II: HejekW.OvAriOus Hejek advances to the Ro8, vAriOus is eliminated. DeSka3:1SouthPark DeSka advances to the Ro8, SouthPark is eliminated. Jumper3:2DragOn Jumper advances to the Ro8, DragOn is eliminated. Shauni1:3Ace Ace advances to the Ro8, Shauni is eliminated.
AoV's last tournament was great. With this addition, I have nothing else to add but to say,
'Thank you.'
Now, time to commentate more with Sayle in the future to get my commentary skills up so that I can start casting professionally in the future (I need to stop fooling around)
On February 07 2011 06:28 Game wrote: I encourage everyone to play. No names need to be given... but if certain players can 2hatch ling themselves to A- anyone can
Question then: Do we need to pick one race and play it on ladder, or cheese with some other race then use the main race in ISL?
lol "4 people will be hand picked not to ladder and qualify to ro32" how does that work? game just picks his friends? O.o
anyway besides that, this looks awesome and thank you for everyone who worked/is working to put it together. I intend to ladder and see if i can qualify, even though I havent played any kind of sc for almost a month. BW!!! :D
i said friends, not scrub friends, aka people who you like and think might have a good chance of winning, but dont want to go through the effort of laddering.
The fact that 4 people get a bye for no reason other than you pick them kind of undermines the "entire huge prize tournament" imo, but please prove me wrong.
On February 07 2011 06:28 Game wrote: I encourage everyone to play. No names need to be given... but if certain players can 2hatch ling themselves to A- anyone can
Question then: Do we need to pick one race and play it on ladder, or cheese with some other race then use the main race in ISL?
'Would like this question answered aswell. Rules don't specify if we must stick to one race the whole time.
On February 07 2011 06:28 Game wrote: I encourage everyone to play. No names need to be given... but if certain players can 2hatch ling themselves to A- anyone can
Question then: Do we need to pick one race and play it on ladder, or cheese with some other race then use the main race in ISL?
'Would like this question answered aswell. Rules don't specify if we must stick to one race the whole time.
Play to win my friends, play to win. Just don't hack and stuff~
This is really awesome, thank you guys for doing so much for BW these days. I am looking forward for the cast. I am not sure if i should participate as i won't qualify anyway TT
On February 07 2011 08:07 Ricjames wrote: This is really awesome, thank you guys for doing so much for BW these days. I am looking forward for the cast. I am not sure if i should participate as i won't qualify anyway TT
By the way, ISL.Zergneedsfood doesn't fit as a name for the ladder.
Is it ok if I go with an abbreviated name like ISL.ZnF? I think it's ok, but I just want to make sure because I feel as if it might be violating a rule.
On February 07 2011 08:29 Zergneedsfood wrote: By the way, ISL.Zergneedsfood doesn't fit as a name for the ladder.
Is it ok if I go with an abbreviated name like ISL.ZnF? I think it's ok, but I just want to make sure because I feel as if it might be violating a rule.
Just send a message to Game, stating the situation you'll be fine.
I am withholding information for a reason. I don't feel it's responsible to reveal the reason. ZNF and everyone else, you need to read the rules. The map pool is there, so is your name etc etc. I will answer no more questions in this thread regarding things already posted. Any questions or lack of observation on your part - is your fault. PM me at LRM)Gayme otherwise.
On February 07 2011 07:38 Ares[Effort] wrote: LRM)Game is proud to present to you Team AoV's ICCup Starleague, the largest BroodWar event in the last two years. AoV's IS
TSL started January 30th 2010, but other then that nice event.
Not to mention he didn't specify "foreign event". I'm all for hyping up things, but try to keep it factual.
Anyways, nice initiative I'll definitely be tuning in, possibly even playing a few games in ladder qualification!
Game this tournament sounds AWESOME! I'm terribad and D+ on my best of days, but I'm gonna ladder my butt off and see if I can make it in. I think it's an awesome idea and a great incentive to ladder!
This is gonna be so awesome. Really glad to see events like this coming together. Thanks Game for putting this together and thanks to adrenaline, elegant, and a1k1a4k1 for sponsoring this; presumably with their own money.
I'm not gonna make it, but might as well participate in the ladder for the hell of it. Good incentive for more practice to get that yellow rank.
On February 07 2011 09:23 Versita wrote: i'm excited to find out who the retired BW player is.
good to see more foreign BW activity <3
Also, this.
Any word on when the retired player will be revealed?
On February 07 2011 07:37 ohN wrote: This looks like it'll turn out to be a great tourney. Registering.
On February 07 2011 06:31 supernovamaniac wrote:
On February 07 2011 06:28 Game wrote: I encourage everyone to play. No names need to be given... but if certain players can 2hatch ling themselves to A- anyone can
Question then: Do we need to pick one race and play it on ladder, or cheese with some other race then use the main race in ISL?
'Would like this question answered aswell. Rules don't specify if we must stick to one race the whole time.
Play to win my friends, play to win. Just don't hack and stuff~
You heard it guys.
If you vs a zerg, watch out for 4 pool If you vs a terran, watch out for BBS If you vs a toss, watch out for proxy gates If you play vs random... well, =3
On February 07 2011 08:36 Game wrote: I am withholding information for a reason. I don't feel it's responsible to reveal the reason. ZNF and everyone else, you need to read the rules. The map pool is there, so is your name etc etc. I will answer no more questions in this thread regarding things already posted. Any questions or lack of observation on your part - is your fault. PM me at LRM)Gayme otherwise.
On February 07 2011 08:36 Game wrote: I am withholding information for a reason. I don't feel it's responsible to reveal the reason. ZNF and everyone else, you need to read the rules. The map pool is there, so is your name etc etc. I will answer no more questions in this thread regarding things already posted. Any questions or lack of observation on your part - is your fault. PM me at LRM)Gayme otherwise.
map pool is anything from iccup map pack?
Any questions or lack of observation on your part - is your fault. PM me at LRM)Gayme otherwise.
Can anyone inform the points i need to enter the tournament because i really want to go try it out Bottom note: My friend told me about it that why i ask
On February 07 2011 12:52 Chimpalimp wrote: sYz-Adrenaline and a1k1a4k1 big thanks! I <3 SC and I love starleagues, and you are bringing us a foreign starleague!
Thanks to Game, Sayle, and the rest of the ICCUP crew!
This sounds awesome, I hope I get to catch every minute of it.
Ermm, ahem, no problem :D.
But yeah, we're all really excited about this tournament too- especially after the amazing response from the AoV invitational. GOGO BW!!!
We now have a special Button implemented at www.iccup.com and all it's overview pages. Click it once every while, we will update information there regularly.
Also, if you want to be a little more hyped, here is some fancy wallpaper for you:
This is fucking sick! you aov guys rock for making this tournament. I would even consider trying (and epically failing) to qualify if it wasn't for the anti hack rule. Can't wait to watch good luck all!
On February 08 2011 11:12 funnybananaman wrote: This is fucking sick! you aov guys rock for making this tournament. I would even consider trying (and epically failing) to qualify if it wasn't for the anti hack rule. Can't wait to watch good luck all!
go out and buy a new pc just for ISL!
I can play bw lag free on a $150 netbook these days... I used to watch reps on it at work in windowed mode and minimized when the boss walked by... hehehe
ohh I heard about this earlier today. It's like TSL in a way, except its Iccup. XD I hope that everyone who competes does well, I'm looking forward to some great games. =D
On February 08 2011 10:47 EleGant[AoV] wrote: We need a Hype video- I have composed music for just such an item. Super, if you have any ideas on the subject, please PM me or Game.
Anything involving promoting, advertising, computer skills is needed. If any of you remember TSL, there was a lot of Computer Graphics and Art integrated with not just the Ladder but also with the Players and the Brackets. If you pertain any skills in that department or if you are talented musically (instrumental/vocal/composition), we'll be glad to use you in this Event.
ok so from what i read above i understand i need to make a new account (that starts with isl) and join the team, then play on the ladder , but a question we will play other players from the isl team only? or do we ladder normaly ?
I tried to create my new account on ICCUP, but it's not sending me the activation link. I tried to redo it and send it again but still no luck. Is there a problem w/ yahoo emails? (and no, it's not in the spam folder either)
On February 09 2011 03:29 Metal[x] wrote: I tried to create my new account on ICCUP, but it's not sending me the activation link. I tried to redo it and send it again but still no luck. Is there a problem w/ yahoo emails? (and no, it's not in the spam folder either)
This happens every now and then with standard activations, I have no clue why. Try to contact a Super Admin on the server and ask him to activate your new account manually.
If you were not accepted to the team, it is because you did not read the rules. You have already played games. I am giving a ONE TIME chance to rejoin the team with 0-0 stats. That is my mercy.
On February 09 2011 13:41 phosphorylation wrote: I followed all the rules and request to join team twice, but I don't think I am in it. My id is ISL-v1rtu0so
Well it isn't too clear what u meant by "I won't accept anyone for 51 minutes." Do you mean that you won't accept anyone after 51 minutes or hasn't been accepting for last 51 minutes? I am not sure.
On February 09 2011 13:41 phosphorylation wrote: I followed all the rules and request to join team twice, but I don't think I am in it. My id is ISL-v1rtu0so
I would play a few games now, only if i won't have to sit in the office whole day god damned. Well GL&HF to all players. Events like this really make me happy. I also wonder how many participants were at TSL ladder stage?
On February 09 2011 17:44 Firien wrote: how to disable messages like "your clanmate xxx has joined a brood war game xxx" ? thats a lot of spam in chat ;d
It's nice to see a BW tourny for the community though
PS: Why no Korean IP addresses? Is it because of latency issues? I'm in Korea, but I'm 100% American. Not like I have a chance in hell in this tournament but just wondering if another person wanted to enter.
Guess you guys really don't watch the BW streams lol. He's a Korean living in Australia, and goes by the handle NrG. GoD. His regular ICCup account is ranked A-. He has a ridiculous apm, and multitasks like crazy
Wake up. 48 join requests. 14 accepted 34 denied. 34 denied for this reason: You cannot ladder until you are accepted to the team, you must be 0-0 when I see you.
On February 10 2011 03:11 Game wrote: Wake up. 48 join requests. 14 accepted 34 denied. 34 denied for this reason: You cannot ladder until you are accepted to the team, you must be 0-0 when I see you.
that's pretty silly, if i request now and you've just gone to sleep for 8 hours or something i'm missing a whole other day. is there other admins that can accept people or something?
On February 10 2011 03:11 Game wrote: Wake up. 48 join requests. 14 accepted 34 denied. 34 denied for this reason: You cannot ladder until you are accepted to the team, you must be 0-0 when I see you.
that's pretty silly, if i request now and you've just gone to sleep for 8 hours or something i'm missing a whole other day. is there other admins that can accept people or something?
On February 10 2011 03:11 Game wrote: Wake up. 48 join requests. 14 accepted 34 denied. 34 denied for this reason: You cannot ladder until you are accepted to the team, you must be 0-0 when I see you.
that's pretty silly, if i request now and you've just gone to sleep for 8 hours or something i'm missing a whole other day. is there other admins that can accept people or something?
The min rank to qualify probably will be B rank anyway so who cares if you are even a week late in starting, it shouldn't be too hard with the many gamers playing now for this tournament.
On February 10 2011 03:11 Game wrote: Wake up. 48 join requests. 14 accepted 34 denied. 34 denied for this reason: You cannot ladder until you are accepted to the team, you must be 0-0 when I see you.
that's pretty silly, if i request now and you've just gone to sleep for 8 hours or something i'm missing a whole other day. is there other admins that can accept people or something?
I believe so yes, Joekim and NoOne
they are americans too
So many people complaining about a good thing.
Thanks game and organizers very cool. I didn't think something like this would happen again.
Well now I guess it's time since the ladder is officially underway. The announcement that most if not all of you are waiting for. The prestigious player that will be making a return to SC:BW to play in a nice prized show match against this tournament's winner will be none other then the famous White-rA!
Holy fucking shit, White-Ra? I did not see that coming. I didn't think he would ever play Brood War again - in an interview he said he had uninstalled it.
I read that the showmatch will be priced, so that should hopefully be motivation enough for White-Ra to at least play seriously. Getting 100 - 300 $ or whatever he is getting just for one set is pretty good.
On February 10 2011 10:47 LuckyFool wrote: Wow I'm so terrible at bw now, holyshit this game is hard :D
doesn't help that I have a new monitor. screen is all wide and shit... and I hate playing in window mode.
For those who have problem with SC being too wide on their wide screen, I think you should have some option in your Display Properties which will constrain aspect ratio or something. So you will have black bars on the side instead of it being too distorted.
I just saw this on Sayle's stream and I'm very excited for another foreign bw tournament. Will following this and thanks to the sponsors and iccup for arranging this!
are we allowed to use accounts other than ISL to play other ISL players on their ISL account?
that was illegal in TSL2
for example when i reach a qualifying rank on ISL.GOD, and want to practice maps im weak at on my practice accounts (pain[pain]), am i allowed to play ISL player on pain[pain]?
I posted that all games are played at your own risk. Therefore, if another ISL player decides to play your non-ISL name, it is at his own risk and fully allowed by you. Besiger, he can release replays of the games he played of the stats he reset. Then again, the second I have knowledge of this I will microscopically watch his match list as well as his replays submitted.
Sickness, im glad ppl are getting active in the BW community again EDIT: Whoa whoa whoa Just read the WHiteRa part!!!!!!!!!! Now im actually excited, it should be interesting to see how WhiteRa does since hes been away from BW for so long. Who am I kidding.... its's WhiteRa, hes gunna do AWESOME!!!! Im pumped
Rooting for my idol r-must coz i'm his only fan. He was close to get qualified in TSL 1 ( he was top 80 ) so this time i think he has a chance to get a spot !
Regarding Iccup, it says I cant connect. "Your internet connection is either very poor (not the case) or is not processing UDP packets through port 6112."
First time ever I've seen this, and I didn't do anything. :o
On February 15 2011 10:10 beenizzle wrote: how can you tell who is top 56 when iccup team page only shows top 50 :/
If you go to the front page, and click on the link to the right of "players", you can see all the players ranked from 1 all the way down to the last player.
Apparently iCCup's AH has been off for a few hours now (was hanging out with my brother missed it), and the server is having a couple of problems atm. I'm sure it will be fixed rather soon.
On February 15 2011 09:20 Trizz wrote: Regarding Iccup, it says I cant connect. "Your internet connection is either very poor (not the case) or is not processing UDP packets through port 6112."
First time ever I've seen this, and I didn't do anything. :o
On February 15 2011 16:55 Kiante wrote: is lastshadow the real lastshadow?
why's that hard to believe?
because i thought he was playing sc2, also he was a hacker. both things make it less likely that he'd be playing in a BW tournament
kk fair enough, just Game was very serious about letting in smurfs/etc about having real aka and whatnot you would think that he would deny if it's not real Lastshadow.
Ironically lastshadow begged and pleaded for hours to be able to smurf in ISL claiming disadvantage due to dodging above _x_ rank. Lastshadow was in fact not a hacker, but worse. He was a map abuser, he took the time to alter maps to beat top players. This was many many years ago, however, and he has then played in ASL, ASL2, and Stamina. Outside of all of those random facts, clearly we are keeping an eye on him.
i assume the sniffing out smurfs and shit would come when it came to qualifiers. It would make sense to do it then, because you only need to vet 56 people not 300+ edit: oh cool it is the real lastshadow. yeah i'm not familiar about what exactly he did i just remember his name coming up with hackers, abusing is just as a bad i guess nice to see the vetting is on the ball :O
Actually I've not told 17 players why they were banned, nor have I mentioned it publicly. I am currently investigating _x_ players, as well as many admins are watching almost every player above 2000 points. Of course there will be thorough investigation upon the end of the ladder. Needless to say, anyone smurfing or abusing will be quickly and decisively dealt with, with absolutely no mercy. The rules are simple, follow them.
if we accidently play a game where out opponent has his AH off and dont notice or something can we just report it to get it removed instead of getting banned? or are we screwed. it hasn't happened to me yet but i almost did it yesterday O.O
but eonzerg is right, i can play in any other server except iccup, many players have the same problem that i, some ah just doesn't work and rule says that without ah you can't play
On February 15 2011 18:02 Game wrote: Actually I've not told 17 players why they were banned, nor have I mentioned it publicly. I am currently investigating _x_ players, as well as many admins are watching almost every player above 2000 points. Of course there will be thorough investigation upon the end of the ladder. Needless to say, anyone smurfing or abusing will be quickly and decisively dealt with, with absolutely no mercy. The rules are simple, follow them.
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: I can not stop this ladder tournament for days at a time due to iCCup's error. I have decided that you in fact can play without AH or 60% of the tournament would have to reset/be disqualified. Other people cannot suffer due to iCCup's mistake. Be very cautious in your games, and check the replays for hacking if you are suspicious. Then report the hackers, especially ISL ones. iCCup's staff will be sure to take care of this and want to catch them worse than you do. Good luck - until there is AH/LAN latency.
On February 16 2011 01:55 Game wrote: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: I can not stop this ladder tournament for days at a time due to iCCup's error. I have decided that you in fact can play with AH or 60% of the tournament would have to reset/be disqualified. Other people cannot suffer due to iCCup's mistake. Be very cautious in your games, and check the replays for hacking if you are suspicious. Then report the hackers, especially ISL ones. iCCup's staff will be sure to take care of this and want to catch them worse than you do. Good luck - until there is AH/LAN latency.
On February 16 2011 01:55 Game wrote: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: I can not stop this ladder tournament for days at a time due to iCCup's error. I have decided that you in fact can play with AH or 60% of the tournament would have to reset/be disqualified. Other people cannot suffer due to iCCup's mistake. Be very cautious in your games, and check the replays for hacking if you are suspicious. Then report the hackers, especially ISL ones. iCCup's staff will be sure to take care of this and want to catch them worse than you do. Good luck - until there is AH/LAN latency.
Good decision, imo. It was out of your own control, and forcing everyone to reset would do more harm than good. However, once AH is up again, the rule should be implemented again. Only games from this time period should be allowed to be without AH, if that is possible to enforce and check.
PERSONALLY... I agree with Playa, I would not play SC without LAN. That is the beautiful thing though.. I'm going to enforce that ISL players play with BWHF (works on iCCup so you don't have to be unable to connect via using the iCCup launcher) for my temporary antihack.
Antihack =/= Ports. Port problems stem from new players afaik. Back when I played battle.net you HAD to fix 6001 and 6112 to play with more than 1 other person.
On February 16 2011 10:35 Game wrote: Antihack =/= Ports. Port problems stem from new players afaik. Back when I played battle.net you HAD to fix 6001 and 6112 to play with more than 1 other person.
Completely wrong. Ports can randomly fuck up for people with the wrong version of the AH, as those are probably still not set right. Playing without AH can solve the problem, but doesn't neccessarely mean you solved the problem. As stated in the news. Better wait for someone from the tech-crew to confirm the changes are final. Also it were ports 6112-6118 for standard battle.net.
i solve my problem.i always check if iccup back with wifi,this morning i off wifi,put rj45 and all back,i think the problem its for the people that cant host for latency,like me in wifi -.-
On February 18 2011 11:49 vOdToasT wrote: Everything is working now. =)
+1 There will be a major announcement on February 20th concerning almost everything ISL. Stay tuned.
more sponsors?
also what the fuck dude. people need to stop announcing announcements. just make it when you're ready instead of getting everyone's panties in a twist >< i blame incontrol
On February 18 2011 11:49 vOdToasT wrote: Everything is working now. =)
+1 There will be a major announcement on February 20th concerning almost everything ISL. Stay tuned.
more sponsors?
also what the fuck dude. people need to stop announcing announcements. just make it when you're ready instead of getting everyone's panties in a twist >< i blame incontrol
On February 18 2011 12:04 Kiante wrote: more sponsors?
also what the fuck dude. people need to stop announcing announcements. just make it when you're ready instead of getting everyone's panties in a twist >< i blame incontrol
That's actually what the announcement will be. We'll be inviting incontrol to announce our announcements for us. He will be paid per level of recursion.
On February 18 2011 12:04 Kiante wrote: more sponsors?
also what the fuck dude. people need to stop announcing announcements. just make it when you're ready instead of getting everyone's panties in a twist >< i blame incontrol
That's actually what the announcement will be. We'll be inviting incontrol to announce our announcements for us. He will be paid per level of recursion.
MAJOR AoV iCCup Starleague announcements have been edited into the OP. Anyone who is watching or participating in ISL needs to read all of them. They are edited into the OP + in full text under the "February 20th Announcements" Spoiler.
The announcements include:
1) The official ladder end date/time.
2) Why being atop the ladder will be a huge advantage to you.
3) Every map that will be used in the Group Stage and the Round of 32, and where they will be used.
4) The new and improved prize pool.
5) ISL's new caster addition.
6) New information on why you should not abuse in any way.
Oh wow this looks cool! Nice to see the prize pool going up and diggity casting. I'm a little sort of questioning of the choice of hitchhiker but it should make for some fun games cant wait to see the list of banned people!
Just saw the ladder, looks like only 2 B+ they will be sleeping easy. Looking forward to watching some of these games, hopefully its as entertaining as TSL2!
soooooo many maps to practice on for the participants. But it will be nice to see these good old maps being played on again. I've missed some of these maps
On February 21 2011 08:17 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: hmm i only think that bo9 in the final its BIG
Yeah 9 games for $750 seems like a hefty workload, I'm glad I'm not conscious of how much struggle the finalists must bare to overcome such great forces of will.
On February 21 2011 08:17 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: hmm i only think that bo9 in the final its BIG
Yeah 9 games for $750 seems like a hefty workload, I'm glad I'm not conscious of how much struggle the finalists must bare to overcome such great forces of will.
its 500 dollares (actually 250 as a forfeit would give you still 250$)
actually i agree. BO9 seems a little too much. If the matchup is onesided, watching 5 1 sided rapes would be pretty depressing. If the matchup is close, it'll take FOREVER. please consider going BO7. I cant think of any other tournament that required a BO9 for a final. Theres a reason the korean scene uses BO5 (or BO7 for team league)
Best of 9 seems a little too imbalanced for my tastes. Even a BO7 would be pushing it. Also, since the map pool essentially consists of every map in the ICCUP pool (Since so many games are loser picks) that also increases imbalance. I guess i'm done laddering now...thank you for the tournament though.
I too think a bo9 finals would potentially last longer than I would stick around for as a spectator; especially since the chance of an upset should the final matchup have a clear favorite greatly diminish. Bo7 seems more reasonable.
On February 21 2011 11:18 tryummm wrote: Best of 9 seems a little too imbalanced for my tastes. Even a BO7 would be pushing it. Also, since the map pool essentially consists of every map in the ICCUP pool (Since so many games are loser picks) that also increases imbalance. I guess i'm done laddering now...thank you for the tournament though.
Wait...how does increasing the number of games or maps make things imbalanced???
And to the poster above me: check the latest update. The ISL ladder now ends on the 28th.
On February 21 2011 11:18 tryummm wrote: Best of 9 seems a little too imbalanced for my tastes. Even a BO7 would be pushing it. Also, since the map pool essentially consists of every map in the ICCUP pool (Since so many games are loser picks) that also increases imbalance. I guess i'm done laddering now...thank you for the tournament though.
Wait...how does increasing the number of games or maps make things imbalanced???
And to the poster above me: check the latest update. The ISL ladder now ends on the 28th.
BO9 sounds great as long as it's not TvT. At the end of TSL2, all I could think of was "I want moaarrrr". As long as the caster won't mind of course. (casting a bo9 could be exhausting)
On February 21 2011 11:18 tryummm wrote: Best of 9 seems a little too imbalanced for my tastes. Even a BO7 would be pushing it. Also, since the map pool essentially consists of every map in the ICCUP pool (Since so many games are loser picks) that also increases imbalance. I guess i'm done laddering now...thank you for the tournament though.
Wait...how does increasing the number of games or maps make things imbalanced???
And to the poster above me: check the latest update. The ISL ladder now ends on the 28th.
According to the OP the ladder now ends both on 1st march and 28th February (spoiler vs non-spoiler). Don't understand the imbalance issue too though.
imo,if the staff choice all maps will be perfect,like osl msl gsl etc,imo the final bo7 will be perfect,bo9 its really BiG ah, the map hitchiker its pretty strange,
This tournament really seems to have livened iccup up, I'm noticing more players online than there has been recently which is excellent. The competition is as tough as ever too, I played four or five 45 minute, close games in a row last night that came down to the wire but lost them all T_T
The iCCup season is now ending February 25th, cutting the ISL ladder 3-4 days short due to internal maintenance problems. If you planned on laddering - you better do it now.
Damnit, I was totally counting on just laddering the last day and making #1 like that. I Can't ladder these next few days. I could have won easily, but I probably won't be in the tournament at all it seems. Bad luck. Good luck to the rest of you I guess.
I wonder if Agavond, ActOr (proven to be the multiple banned dischacking B high player), and Scan all spawn from the same Korean gene pool of progamers.
On February 22 2011 09:55 vectorix108 wrote: Wow, Diggity casting BW again and White-Ra playing BW again?! this has got to be the greatest BW tournament ever!
On February 22 2011 09:55 vectorix108 wrote: Wow, Diggity casting BW again and White-Ra playing BW again?! this has got to be the greatest BW tournament ever!
Where you find White-Ra? :o
Check the "Showmatch" part of the OP.
Also, as the ICCup Ladder Super Admin, I'd like to reassure everyone that all ISL ladder complaints WILL be solved before the final standings are determined, so you should absolutely submit those (if they're legit of course).
Edit: I'd also like to bring attention to the fact that the total prize pool is now over $1000 thanks to additional sponsors joining in.
With one day left of play, Sziky is looking good holding the #1 spot with an A- account. He's followed by Ramms, Ace, Sznycel and Astro for 2-5. TSL familiars Castro,Casper, Kr and Octzerg are holding #8, #10, #20 and #24 resp. Only Dutchie afaik is Stimquick at #17 (Hup Holland!) Feat. streamer GoD is on #27 and Shauni (of TL-Arena fame obv ^_^) is holding #45 (go Shauns!) Wunderkind Kolll is #75 which is a non qualifying position D: Also yours truly is currently #303 which is not last (active ladder stops at 312) which was pretty much my goal ^_^. Gonna try and break #250 tomorrow.
On February 25 2011 08:57 Pholon wrote: Ladder Update
With one day left of play, Sziky is looking good holding the #1 spot with an A- account. He's followed by Ramms, Ace, Sznycel and Astro for 2-5. TSL familiars Castro,Casper, Kr and Octzerg are holding #8, #10, #20 and #24 resp. Only Dutchie afaik is Stimquick at #17 (Hup Holland!) Feat. streamer GoD is on #27 and Shauni (of TL-Arena fame obv ^_^) is holding #45 (go Shauns!) Wunderkind Kolll is #75 which is a non qualifying position D: Also yours truly is currently #303 which is not last (active ladder stops at 312) which was pretty much my goal ^_^. Gonna try and break #250 tomorrow.
That's pretty cool man, thanks for the update. Hopefully you make your #250
The top 70 will need to send me their replay packs link here at teamliquid.net as I fear iccup.com might be down in it's maintenance. If you cannot, you need to PM me at iccup.com before the server is down for an alternative way to send them to me (I will provide you an e-mail or skype name). The top 6 will receive PMs from me @ iccup.com in the 3 hours after the ISL ladder before iCCup goes down. The PM will tell you my skype name and that you need to download skype in order to work your groups with me.
Failure to have all of your replays in a replay pack and sent to me is a sure way to not make it further in ISL
On February 25 2011 14:57 Game wrote: ABOUT QUALIFYING:
The top 70 will need to send me their replay packs link here at teamliquid.net as I fear iccup.com might be down in it's maintenance. If you cannot, you need to PM me at iccup.com before the server is down for an alternative way to send them to me (I will provide you an e-mail or skype name). The top 6 will receive PMs from me @ iccup.com in the 3 hours after the ISL ladder before iCCup goes down. The PM will tell you my skype name and that you need to download skype in order to work your groups with me.
Failure to have all of your replays in a replay pack and sent to me is a sure way to not make it further in ISL
ALL ISL REPLAY PACKS FROM THE TOP 70 NEED TO BE SENT TO LRM)GAYME @ ICCUP.COM, GAME @ TEAMLIQUID.NET, VEGASON123 @ SKYPE WITHIN 48 HOURS OF FRIDAY FEBRUARY 25TH, 2011 3PM EST/ 21 CET. FAILURE TO DO SO WILL RESULT IN DISQUALIFICATION.
ABSOLUTELY DO NOT USE RAPIDSHARE AS THERE IS A HUGE WAIT TO DOWNLOAD FILES MORE THAN ONE AT A TIME.
You sent it to me in 2 places... everyone in the top 70 received a PM from iCCup.NoOne on what to do. I'm 99.9% sure I already have it. the .01% is because you + 9 other people labeled their pack "ISL.rar". Which brings me to my point, put your f*cking name as the first word of your replay pack. I do not have time to go through 70 replay packs just to relabel them.
On February 26 2011 06:48 legaton wrote: This is gonna be awesome. Too bad that the A- chilean belladona is not playing. i have never seen any of his games but an A- rank sounds promising.
On February 26 2011 06:54 Game wrote: You sent it to me in 2 places... everyone in the top 70 received a PM from iCCup.NoOne on what to do. I'm 99.9% sure I already have it. the .01% is because you + 9 other people labeled their pack "ISL.rar". Which brings me to my point, put your f*cking name as the first word of your replay pack. I do not have time to go through 70 replay packs just to relabel them.
sorry i forgot about that, should I sent you again?.
Sziky Trutacz SouthPark Napoleon Casper Gucci Sizarina Technics Mamon Kazik Szajna Alfiomerda R-Must Octzerg Kashu Gosudark Kr Cute Castro Various Heme Voddy Bigpio Pike Fakap-_- Dollar 3acaga Donzo
Notice: You cannot qualify without giving me your reps. I will not accept rapidshare replays. I prefer 2shared because there is no 45 second wait. Three people on that "need replays" list have sent me links and I have asked them to re-upload them to 2shared out of courtesy. Or they sent it to the wrong address (3 sent to LRM)Game instead of LRM)Gayme) so I'll tell you the right addresses here. Game @ teamliquid.net LRM)Gayme @ iccup.com vegason123 @ Skype
Banned for abuse: ISL-BoxioR ISL-Insaneman (I would like to specifically point out how difficult and much of an asshole he is) ISL-Zety(-) ISL-H3llscream ISL-Sailor ISL-Spitty ISL-Smacker (was only banned for suspected abuse/failure to reply/comply) ISL-v1rtu0so [ISL].GameZZZ ISL.InCa [ISL]Ovan
Not allowed to join the team due to non-ISL name or laddering before accepted: 135 people Many of them were known and good, but I did not save their names.
Not allowed in AoV ISL thus far for lack of replays: ISL.Bylat (also was being played on from a Belarus IP so would've been banned for abuse) ISL-Sizarina
Keep in mind that there are still a possibility that more people will be added to this after suspected abuse is matched up next to their replay packs.
Not a joke, but your post is. I feel absolutely no need to dignify why he was allowed to smurf, if you used logic instead of thinking like a female you'd actually get it.
Well, I guess I'll get warned for responding to a troll... But whatever. Last time I checked iCCup rules don't apply to a private tournament unless the tournament incorporates them. Any other witty remarks?
That's actually not what you asked. Maybe if you spoke or read English properly, you could see that. You asked me if I let him because he is my friend. Answer: no. You then posed a rhetorical accusation/question that had nothing to do with the situation at hand. This is a very fair competition and if you don't think so I fully encourage you not to participate and or observe it.
On February 26 2011 13:45 GoTuNk! wrote: Why was GameZZZ banned? oo (just asking)
He was banned for a failure to comply with ISL staff. He played way too many games vs Zaraki (forgot the number and rank you can check his matchlist) and when asked if he'd like to reset/continue or keep his stats/be disqualified, he did not respond. Therefore, he was granted the latter option.
if you don't like my english we can speak in polish, german or russian so maybe then u will understand what i mean, or no wait u probably dont know any other language beside ur own native one? but ofc thats not the point. You clearly understood what i asked for so stop being sarcastic. I dont see any logic in leting some peoples to smurf and others not.
That's probably the reason you aren't organizing a combination of sponsors, staff, players, complaints, counter abuse, and major decisions of the largest BW tournament in roughly 2 years.
4* No smurf accounts. Your account must be played with your known ID in it. If you are found out to be smurfing, you will be disqualified and no further participation in the tournament will be allowed. If you are worried about which ID you should use, PM LRM)Game at account LRM)Gayme on iccup.com. If you feel that not smurfing gives you an unfair disadvantage, you must appeal to LRM)Game at account LRM)Gayme on iccup.com. We will then give you a predetermined smurf name. Failure to comply will lead to disqualification.
oow, who are you? i've been talking to Game about this before this League started, before he even got the first initial $100. if he was showing favoritism, why would i invest 215 games when i can just be invited and seeded into the Group Stage? you have no conception of the situation and you're persistent ignorance is really sad. the lack of gratefulness from the players like you makes me wonder why we didn't just host a private tournament for all of "Game's friends." wouldn't that tickle your fancy? i have my reasons for the way things turned out and everything is hunky dory. learn to appreciate, not player hate.
thats the kind of post i have been lookin for askin game abaut ur case. He simply could say u asked him for smurf because ur are allowed too but obviously he had to act like a jerk and turn this into what we see above. I also like how he edited his post to not look as a total jerk. And i never said im not grateful because i am
On February 26 2011 14:29 oovv wrote: thats the kind of post i have been lookin for askin game abaut ur case. He simply could say u asked him for smurf because ur are allowed too but obviously he had to act like a jerk and turn this into what we see above. I also like how he edited his post to not look as a total jerk. And i never said im not grateful because i am
ok, thank you for you concern. Game is probably very irritated right now, he has been orchestrating this huge fiasco with not much credit to himself. he's dealing with abusers, crybabies, flamers, as well as formatting and organizing everything without having any time to relax. cutting the season short also puts a burden on his shoulders since he has to stress this at another level. he has been working hard for the community and i think it's a great accomplishment that he achieved what he has thus far starting from scratch and measuring up to TL's TSL epidemic.
On February 26 2011 14:29 oovv wrote: thats the kind of post i have been lookin for askin game abaut ur case. He simply could say u asked him for smurf because ur are allowed too but obviously he had to act like a jerk and turn this into what we see above. I also like how he edited his post to not look as a total jerk. And i never said im not grateful because i am
ok, thank you for you concern. Game is probably very irritated right now, he has been orchestrating this huge fiasco with not much credit to himself. he's dealing with abusers, crybabies, flamers, as well as formatting and organizing everything without having any time to relax. cutting the season short also puts a burden on his shoulders since he has to stress this at another level. he has been working hard for the community and i think it's a great accomplishment that he achieved what he has thus far starting from scratch and measuring up to TL's TSL epidemic.
On February 26 2011 16:20 Jumperer wrote: Game is doing a great job, I appreciate his efforts and I will reward him by participating in the tournament with style.
lol, jumper you always reward us with your style. even defiler,ru has been graced
Joekim, i was wondering what you were doing not participating in ISL THE WHOLE TIME (thought you were one of the four invites) I had a lot of fun playing rvr with you lol GL in the tournament!!!
On February 26 2011 16:42 Michael(OD) wrote: Joekim, i was wondering what you were doing not participating in ISL THE WHOLE TIME (thought you were one of the four invites) I had a lot of fun playing rvr with you lol GL in the tournament!!!
yeah there are many stipulations to smurfing, including personality and strategies. thank you for games, we could've gone 3 more for the limit :D
On February 26 2011 14:09 JoeKim wrote: 4* No smurf accounts. Your account must be played with your known ID in it. If you are found out to be smurfing, you will be disqualified and no further participation in the tournament will be allowed. If you are worried about which ID you should use, PM LRM)Game at account LRM)Gayme on iccup.com. If you feel that not smurfing gives you an unfair disadvantage, you must appeal to LRM)Game at account LRM)Gayme on iccup.com. We will then give you a predetermined smurf name. Failure to comply will lead to disqualification.
oow, who are you? i've been talking to Game about this before this League started, before he even got the first initial $100. if he was showing favoritism, why would i invest 215 games when i can just be invited and seeded into the Group Stage? you have no conception of the situation and you're persistent ignorance is really sad. the lack of gratefulness from the players like you makes me wonder why we didn't just host a private tournament for all of "Game's friends." wouldn't that tickle your fancy? i have my reasons for the way things turned out and everything is hunky dory. learn to appreciate, not player hate.
I still wonder what "unfair disadvantage" we're talking about. I do appreciate everyone's efforts but if you're gonna do stuff like this I feel it's important that you back up your decisions when so many people are involved. I guess I'm just disgruntled cause I no longer have a Dutchie to root for ;_;
Yeah, it sounds silly to me to have to smurf in the first place. Maybe you have to be a previous cheater to understand why you need to do it. If you know who you're playing/how they play, and your opponent has no idea who you are, how is that not an unfair adv? If sziky can get that many games in, then obviously there's no, "I'm too gosu to get games" argument. I think most people just want to avoid D-bags that can't be trusted. And if that's why you need a smurf, I think you have to consider yourself lucky to even be allowed to play in the first place. I have no real complaints. It just seems like an unneeded thing to me.
Well I just noticed I have a problem. I don't have the first 9 replays from my games with which I became D+... I don't think there is a way to find the people i played with because iccup is down and also it is very unlikely to find the guys if iccup server was on. The reason that i dont have these replays is that after those games there was some iccup update that my antivirus said is installing something containing a virus so i couldnt log in and play with AH on. I reinstalled starcraft and iccup launcher bazzillion times after that so the replays in the autoreplay folder was deleted -_- Any ideas / suggestions are well appreciated.
On February 26 2011 13:30 Game wrote: I feel absolutely no need to dignify why he was allowed to smurf, if you used logic instead of thinking like a female you'd actually get it.
What the fuck is wrong with you. This, coupled with every single one of your recent dreadful posts and your six prior warnings from our staff about the SAME THING EVERY TIME show that you need some time away to cool down.
Game was just temp banned for 1 week by EvilTeletubby.
That account was created on 2009-02-20 12:22:41 and had 503 posts.
Reason:
On February 26 2011 13:30 Game wrote: I feel absolutely no need to dignify why he was allowed to smurf, if you used logic instead of thinking like a female you'd actually get it.
What the fuck is wrong with you. This, coupled with every single one of your recent dreadful posts and your six prior warnings from our staff about the SAME THING EVERY TIME show that you need some time away to cool down.
Bw events need other page -___- this guys from Tl ignore bw events,
On February 26 2011 21:16 Michael(OD) wrote: why is Game banned?? is he banned from TL or iCCup?
TL;
Game was just temp banned for 1 week by EvilTeletubby.
That account was created on 2009-02-20 12:22:41 and had 503 posts.
Reason:
On February 26 2011 13:30 Game wrote: I feel absolutely no need to dignify why he was allowed to smurf, if you used logic instead of thinking like a female you'd actually get it.
What the fuck is wrong with you. This, coupled with every single one of your recent dreadful posts and your six prior warnings from our staff about the SAME THING EVERY TIME show that you need some time away to cool down.
Bw events need other page -___- this guys from Tl ignore bw events,
I don't think so man. Should everyone who organises stuff be excused from being misogynistic/condescending?
On February 26 2011 21:16 Michael(OD) wrote: why is Game banned?? is he banned from TL or iCCup?
TL;
Game was just temp banned for 1 week by EvilTeletubby.
That account was created on 2009-02-20 12:22:41 and had 503 posts.
Reason:
On February 26 2011 13:30 Game wrote: I feel absolutely no need to dignify why he was allowed to smurf, if you used logic instead of thinking like a female you'd actually get it.
What the fuck is wrong with you. This, coupled with every single one of your recent dreadful posts and your six prior warnings from our staff about the SAME THING EVERY TIME show that you need some time away to cool down.
Bw events need other page -___- this guys from Tl ignore bw events,
I don't think so man. Should everyone who organises stuff be excused from being misogynistic/condescending?
Could have waited 48 hours to put the ban in effect, though, for ISL's sake.
Way to ban dedicated people because an illiterate guy can't read the OP. Should have delayed the ban a couple of days
If you are worried about which ID you should use, PM LRM)Game at account LRM)Gayme on iccup.com. If you feel that not smurfing gives you an unfair disadvantage, you must appeal to LRM)Game at account LRM)Gayme on iccup.com.
Smurfing and changing country flags was allowed in the TSL too if you had a good reason and noticed an admin beforehand.
On February 26 2011 23:38 LuckyFool wrote: lol joekim smurfed the entire time and game is now banned on TL as the ladder stage finishes?
nice...real nice guys.... setting such a fine example here!
He had a good reason to smurf since he is a member of the counter abuse team.
On February 27 2011 00:54 GoTuNk! wrote: we can still send pm's trough Iccup you know
or through the iccup team page, more likely imo.
I think that ban was deserved. Not that it makes anything about the current situation better, but just because youre organizing something big doesnt mean an "I dont have to explain anything, obviously im running shit perfectly so just go with it" additude is necessary. If game had been a bit less of an asshole in his responses that wouldnt have happened
I also agree with oovv and playa, I see no reason why joekim, or anyone else should get special treatment.
Game still has my respect for all hes done for this tournament though, I just disagree with some of his methods..
edit: how does being a member of the counter abuse team give you a disadvantage while laddering??
accusations of what? Im still not seeing the connection here between counter abuse team and disadvantages while laddering. "you only won because you catch cheaters"?? that doesnt make any sense, and doesnt affect his ability to rank up no matter what the accusation is anyway.
I mean, sure people who know hes on the counter abuse team will obviously try not to bm or disc hack or shit like that vs him if they otherwise normally would, because they know theyd get banned asap. That seems like an advantage to me though, having opponents who dont waste your time and force you to make complaints.
as for being dodged, that has to do with skill, not a position on the counter abuse team. If I was to dodge joekim, id be thinking more along the lines of "oh shit i think that guy is pretty good, and ive also heard he hacked a long time ago or something like that..maybe I shouldnt play him". Notice how the fact that hes on the counter abuse team was not included in there.
So, the only reasons I can see that joekim would get dodged are because of his reputation as A) a good player, and B) a former abuser. A) applies to pretty much all legit ISL contestants, so that doesnt give joekim any special status. B) is the only logical conclusion here.
Why people would dodge a "fomer abuser" ? I think that abusers are usually less skilled than people who really deserve their rank. Your "logical conclusion" doesn't seem really logical.
Oh and when i said "accusations" i mean random drama like now. "Omg Joekim is playing the tourney and on the counter abuse team", "Omg that's not fair" "Omg why" etc... I guess he just didn't want to be constantly harassed by people.
Ideally he shouldn't have played this tourney or resign from the counter abuse team but eh maybe he wanted to help Game and play at the same time.
the only drama happening now is people questioning why he actually deserved special treatment. No one except you mentioned the fact that he was on the counter abuse team. In fact I recall someone stating that he wondered why joekim was not actually competing, until being informed that he was in fact smurfing.
Again, there is no link between being on the counter abuse team and problems with laddering that I can see lol. "omg joekim is playing the tourney and on the counter abuse team" SO?? what could that possibly change in regards to his ability to ladder?
Generally people dont dodge a former abuser, unless they suspect that hes still abusing. So B) is still a pretty weak reason to deserve a smurf.
On February 27 2011 05:43 FyRe_DragOn wrote: the only drama happening now is people questioning why he actually deserved special treatment. No one except you mentioned the fact that he was on the counter abuse team. In fact I recall someone stating that he wondered why joekim was not actually competing, until being informed that he was in fact smurfing.
Again, there is no link between being on the counter abuse team and problems with laddering that I can see lol. "omg joekim is playing the tourney and on the counter abuse team" SO?? what could that possibly change in regards to his ability to ladder?
Generally people dont dodge a former abuser, unless they suspect that hes still abusing. So B) is still a pretty weak reason to deserve a smurf.
On April 16 2008 09:14 MYM.ClouD wrote: When I first read TSL rules there was written that no one would have been allowed to use smurf nicknames. Actually I think there's quite a few smurfs playing on TSL and some of them are also high ranked. Is anyone going to do anything about this?
On April 17 2008 01:43 Hot_Bid wrote: Everyone has the option of smurfing or not, so I don't see how it's unfair.
Well, let's look at it from a logical perspective.
1) The condition for having a smurf is that it must be approved (means that a player should need/have a very valid reason for smurfing).
2) All the very top players (Mondragon, Draco, Testie) and really famous players too such as Nazgul, Eriador, and practically everyone, are using their real ID's.
3) Therefore, if all the top players are using their real ID's, and you can justifiably make the argument that every single player considered a "top player" can be found not smurfing the ladder, who could possibly have a valid reason to smurf ?
4) I would then conclude that because all the top players are using their real ID's, there really can't be a valid reason for anybody to use a smurf account.
Then, you can look at why most top players smurf on ladders in the first place.
1) Their reputation might make it hard to get games, 2) they want to game without being distracted by people messaging them. (I believe these are the two most likely reasons).
SO; since these are the reasons people smurf ladders, and it's already been established that anyone who would be significantly hampered by the above mentioned 1) and 2) are NOT smurfing... there really is no reason for ANYBODY to smurf on this ladder (or have valid reasons).
The ONLY exception I can really think of that justifies a smurf is 1) Someone with a bad reputation of hacking / cheating, trying to play the ladder to redeem their name/play in peace.
However, can you think of anyone that fits under this category? Mistrzzz and Haypro aren't smurfing and theyre the only names I could think of.
Overall conclusion: I can't fathom anybody having a valid reason to smurf this ladder other than the top players (who aren't smurfing anyways).
On April 17 2008 07:35 Xeris wrote: I'm just pointing out the fact that if the top players (who you would think have a legitimate desire to smurf) arent smurfing, why would anyone else have valid reasons?
anyways, I dont really care !_!~
You are all arguing an illogical position. The decisions of one gamer have no bearing on the decisions of another. If Mondragon doesn't smurf, there is no relationship between the reasoning for another gamer who does. People do not have to base their decisions on the behaviour of others. Instead, they base their decisions on the rules of the environment under which they exist.
I want to wear a seatbelt. The law says I don't have to wear a seatbelt, but if I choose to do so and my car is equipped with one I can. The best driver and most well known driver in the world doesn't wear one. What is my reasoning?
On February 27 2011 05:43 isl-time wrote: He was allowed to smurf. Okay...So why are you talking about this again? Why is it a big deal he smurfed? Let him smurf.... Plain and simple
Because then everyone else in ISL should also be allowed to smurf. Joekim seems to have been given an unfair advantage, since he knows other people's playstyles but nobody knows who he is. People are just waiting for a straight answer as to why he was allowed and no one else is. For now, it just seems that Joekim was allowed because him and game are best buddies.
also its a shame this tournament is being run by an arrogant asshole (game). I kinda feel bad for the sponsers. Anyway, I guess we'll have to wait a week before we know anything.
On February 27 2011 05:33 Boblion wrote: Why people would dodge a "fomer abuser" ? I think that abusers are usually less skilled than people who really deserve their rank. Your "logical conclusion" doesn't seem really logical.
Oh and when i said "accusations" i mean random drama like now. "Omg Joekim is playing the tourney and on the counter abuse team", "Omg that's not fair" "Omg why" etc... I guess he just didn't want to be constantly harassed by people.
Ideally he shouldn't have played this tourney or resign from the counter abuse team but eh maybe he wanted to help Game and play at the same time.
your logic is very strange
nobody would go "omg joekim is playing the tourney and on the counter abuse team" "Omg thats not fair"
and i would think it very unlikely for people to have harassed him
On February 27 2011 05:43 isl-time wrote: He was allowed to smurf. Okay...So why are you talking about this again? Why is it a big deal he smurfed? Let him smurf.... Plain and simple
Because then everyone else in ISL should also be allowed to smurf. Joekim seems to have been given an unfair advantage, since he knows other people's playstyles but nobody knows who he is. People are just waiting for a straight answer as to why he was allowed and no one else is. For now, it just seems that Joekim was allowed because him and game are best buddies.
also its a shame this tournament is being run by an arrogant asshole (game). I kinda feel bad for the sponsers. Anyway, I guess we'll have to wait a week before we know anything.
Well guess what, im friends with joe/game too. I didn't know he was smurfing. I played him, I lost and won. He knows my playing style. And unfortunetly, Joe is too damn stupid to know EVERYONES playing style. You need to get over it real quick. He smurfed, he had a reason, end of discussion.
No smurf accounts. Your account must be played with your known ID in it. If you are found out to be smurfing, you will be disqualified and no further participation in the tournament will be allowed. If you are worried about which ID you should use, PM LRM)Game at account LRM)Gayme on iccup.com. If you feel that not smurfing gives you an unfair disadvantage, you must appeal to LRM)Game at account LRM)Gayme on iccup.com. We will then give you a predetermined smurf name. Failure to comply will lead to disqualification.
This is the rule regarding the situation.
As far as I know there was no violation of the rule. The rule says if one is worried that he/she will suffer a disadvantage using their known name they must appeal to game and a predetermined name will be given.
What we can assume here is that Joekim felt that he would be disadvantaged somehow if he played on an account called ISL.Joekim or something. Although i can make a guess what his argument was but to me this smurfing was probably allowed not because he was a friend of Game but his argument regarding the disadvantage was reasonable to GAme
What "oow" should have asked was "WHat was Joekim's disadvantage he was concerned about?" or like "What argument did he appeal to GAme to have been granted a smurf", in order to have avoided this online argument
Oh and rules don't say that the community will be told of the reasons put forward by the "smurf-requesters" so they aren't obliged to disclose the reason why joekim was allowed to smurf.
Anyway i just hope that Game will be able to run the tourney fine. I appreciate his work and i think he should just avoid to use insults when he is dealing with annoying people.
I wish him good luck and can't wait for the casting / replays !
On February 27 2011 06:19 MACHIDA wrote: u will have to play vs his random if u vs him in group stages, may aswell get some practice:D
it's impossible to practice vs a random cheeser
you can't practice rock scissor paper
playing a random cheeser is very much luck based
,the funny thing,i hate jokerkim,and this kid isl.southpark or southnoob bm me ALOOOT,he is lucky for that smurf,also not only me,bm my friends too,for this reason i ban when u pick random noob
LMAO! Reading this crap is hilarious, why are you guys arguing over something so dumb? A USER ID DOES NOT GIVE YOU ANY ADVANTAGE/DISADVANTAGE - LMAO! It's silly to even need another id in the first place, but if you're playing in a tournament I don't see how a user id affects your game-play in a strategy game, you will still need to play well and counter what they are doing...
Anyway, I was trying to watch some games I thought this tournament already started, where are the vods and where can I find out what's coming up next? Since the organizer is banned will it be on gg.net or something?
On February 27 2011 07:08 dRaW wrote: LMAO! Reading this crap is hilarious, why are you guys arguing over something so dumb? A USER ID DOES NOT GIVE YOU ANY ADVANTAGE/DISADVANTAGE - LMAO! It's silly to even need another id in the first place, but if you're playing in a tournament I don't see how a user id affects your game-play in a strategy game, you will still need to play well and counter what they are doing...
Anyway, I was trying to watch some games I thought this tournament already started, where are the vods and where can I find out what's coming up next? Since the organizer is banned will it be on gg.net or something?
We made an interview with our mysterious hero stimquick aka JoeKim. There are some reasons for him smurfing explained in this article along with predictions and his experiences in this ladder.
Don't worry we will keep you updated both on www.iccup.com and here. You may check out our Coverage. This will be updated regularly from now on.
On February 26 2011 21:16 Michael(OD) wrote: why is Game banned?? is he banned from TL or iCCup?
TL;
Game was just temp banned for 1 week by EvilTeletubby.
That account was created on 2009-02-20 12:22:41 and had 503 posts.
Reason:
On February 26 2011 13:30 Game wrote: I feel absolutely no need to dignify why he was allowed to smurf, if you used logic instead of thinking like a female you'd actually get it.
What the fuck is wrong with you. This, coupled with every single one of your recent dreadful posts and your six prior warnings from our staff about the SAME THING EVERY TIME show that you need some time away to cool down.
Bw events need other page -___- this guys from Tl ignore bw events,
I don't think so man. Should everyone who organises stuff be excused from being misogynistic/condescending?
just a question, why in the front of teamliquid i dont see a short new about ISL ?
On February 26 2011 21:16 Michael(OD) wrote: why is Game banned?? is he banned from TL or iCCup?
TL;
Game was just temp banned for 1 week by EvilTeletubby.
That account was created on 2009-02-20 12:22:41 and had 503 posts.
Reason:
On February 26 2011 13:30 Game wrote: I feel absolutely no need to dignify why he was allowed to smurf, if you used logic instead of thinking like a female you'd actually get it.
What the fuck is wrong with you. This, coupled with every single one of your recent dreadful posts and your six prior warnings from our staff about the SAME THING EVERY TIME show that you need some time away to cool down.
Bw events need other page -___- this guys from Tl ignore bw events,
I don't think so man. Should everyone who organises stuff be excused from being misogynistic/condescending?
just a question, why in the front of teamliquid i dont see a short new about ISL ?
Still confused about one thing.. the guy that's on the counter-abuse team is also playing? i.e. there's someone who has access to all of his opponent's replays (and builds)? ...right. On that note you guys might want to stop posting your rep pack in public.
Also I'm still super unclear on what the "good reason to smurf" is.
iCCup.GeckoXp: What were the reasons for smurfing?
JoeKim: From my experience as an Admin of many sorts and organizer for events: playing and orchestrating simultaneously causes more drama and bigger headaches in addition. Already upon 12 hours of my aka being revealed I have had a handful of players informing me that they would have not played against me if they knew my AKA.
iCCup.GeckoXp: This «would have not played against me if they knew» argument, doesn't it apply for other players like sziky?
Joe Kim: Sziky is privileged to be playing at a timezone vs koreans and a scene where he is not known. My timezone conflicts and i get mostly foreigners that know who I am. Many that know my playing style which also ties to many of which knew I quit BW. I had more reasons before the ladder started.
USA above B rank Random player can only be me or Game. Even Zerg would give it away. But there are enough complications to make it well-fortified… if the wording is right.
For other reasons: I don't know how to word it. I don't want to give too much away, but I had complications with the Head Admin over my departure from the crew. That created a lot of tension.
iCCup.GeckoXp: Okay, but why the dutch flag?
Joe Kim: Well, along with smurfing comes strategy, hotkeys, personality, attitude, etc. Ret was one of my favorite foreigners, Amsterdam is one of the places I'd love to go, dutch girls are hot, Netherlands has an awesome soccer team, and to top it off:one of the worst BM kids I've met was from the Netherlands. So I figured, I would be the biggest douchebag to conceal who I am. I purposely did the gayest strats, said the worst improper things, and came up with somewhat inconceivable excuses.
On February 26 2011 21:16 Michael(OD) wrote: why is Game banned?? is he banned from TL or iCCup?
TL;
Game was just temp banned for 1 week by EvilTeletubby.
That account was created on 2009-02-20 12:22:41 and had 503 posts.
Reason:
On February 26 2011 13:30 Game wrote: I feel absolutely no need to dignify why he was allowed to smurf, if you used logic instead of thinking like a female you'd actually get it.
What the fuck is wrong with you. This, coupled with every single one of your recent dreadful posts and your six prior warnings from our staff about the SAME THING EVERY TIME show that you need some time away to cool down.
Bw events need other page -___- this guys from Tl ignore bw events,
I don't think so man. Should everyone who organises stuff be excused from being misogynistic/condescending?
just a question, why in the front of teamliquid i dont see a short new about ISL ?
I think this thread got spotlighted at some point.
On February 27 2011 10:48 Pholon wrote: Still confused about one thing.. the guy that's on the counter-abuse team is also playing? i.e. there's someone who has access to all of his opponent's replays (and builds)? ...right. On that note you guys might want to stop posting your rep pack in public.
Also I'm still super unclear on what the "good reason to smurf" is.
joekims on the counter abuse team? Lol thats pretty sus. Seems like theres alot of holes appearing in this tournament as time goes by. I realise that organising something like this is alot of work, but "reasons for smurfing" seems dumb to me too. Takes away some of the drama of the ladder if the good players are smurfing, you dont know who's at the top...
On February 27 2011 10:48 Pholon wrote: Still confused about one thing.. the guy that's on the counter-abuse team is also playing? i.e. there's someone who has access to all of his opponent's replays (and builds)? ...right. On that note you guys might want to stop posting your rep pack in public.
Also I'm still super unclear on what the "good reason to smurf" is.
The rest of the groups will be released within 6 hours of the replay pack deadline, along with the 4 invites.
To answer AstrO from the iCCup.com ISL page: The 4 players from each group will be put in a randomizer, so the order is not predictable. The maps also are changed (2 switches), so be sure to check them please.
Map Changes: 1v3 group Fighting Spirit 2v4 group Colosseum II
Map Changes: 1v3 group Fighting Spirit 2v4 group Colosseum II
1v4 w vs w HitchHiker 2v3 l vs l Destination
4v3 w vs l Heartbreak Ridge
this is confusing. Is it W vs W on Hitchhiker or 1v4? 2v3 or L v L for destination? Because they arent necessarily going to be the same thing.
And am I right in saying that I am #4 in group 2, based on the order listed above? Or is it "randomized" and I still have to wait to find out which maps I play on?
Thx, for the update Deus. Hope Kr and OctZerg dont forget to send Game their replays. Would be a shame if both cant participate because of a minor mistake.
I hope you announce the rst of the groups and the schedule asap.
On February 27 2011 23:27 NrG.GoD- wrote: My guess for the 4 invites are
Kolll (i guess we know this) LRM)Game ICcup.NOone Iccup.Sayle
sayle is casting. and i don't think game will be playing tbh. he is always quite busy with all the isl stuff. we'll prob see former bw people play tbh. bring them back
I'm really surprised by the lack of massive attention surrounding this tourney. It really is quite big, there's some good money for the winners, still, there isn't as much hype as one would expect.
On February 28 2011 20:58 RHCPgergo wrote: I'm really surprised by the lack of massive attention surrounding this tourney. It really is quite big, there's some good money for the winners, still, there isn't as much hype as one would expect.
I agree. Most of the people who care are pretty much the ones who participate in it.
On February 28 2011 20:58 RHCPgergo wrote: I'm really surprised by the lack of massive attention surrounding this tourney. It really is quite big, there's some good money for the winners, still, there isn't as much hype as one would expect.
I agree. Most of the people who care are pretty much the ones who participate in it.
once they start streaming some good games it will attract many people IMHO
On February 28 2011 20:58 RHCPgergo wrote: I'm really surprised by the lack of massive attention surrounding this tourney. It really is quite big, there's some good money for the winners, still, there isn't as much hype as one would expect.
I agree. Most of the people who care are pretty much the ones who participate in it.
once they start streaming some good games it will attract many people IMHO
Also, everyone is forgetting a very important thing. Since I'm the caster, my opponent has to give me vision so I can properly cast both sides of the game kekekekeke
Also, everyone is forgetting a very important thing. Since I'm the caster, my opponent has to give me vision so I can properly cast both sides of the game kekekekeke
Sayle is olympic idk what everyone else is talking about. He's just very good at smurfing
On March 01 2011 04:51 dark14cs wrote: Watching the stimquick games in the autoreplays posted so far have been quite entertaining. A great watch while waiting for iccup to come back
On March 01 2011 04:51 dark14cs wrote: Watching the stimquick games in the autoreplays posted so far have been quite entertaining. A great watch while waiting for iccup to come back
No no. Some people , instead of PMing Game , have been posting their autoreplay folders in this thread. And in some of those folders there are games that were played VS Stimquick.
edit : but Id love to see your reps Astro. Making Canada proud! ^^
Awesome, i'm really excited. Disappointed by the lack of terrans players, just 9 of them (with two more invited) but it's gonna be awesome anyway. PvZ is always fun.
I thought Game played random?
It's really cool to see that PatrOn was invited! And Knoll!! And Castro, fuck yeah! Peruvians zergs kekekeke. And last but not the least, Game totally deserves a place.
On March 01 2011 07:28 legaton wrote: Awesome, i'm really excited. Disappointed by the lack of terrans players, just 9 of them (with two more invited) but it's gonna be awesome anyway. PvZ is always fun.
This also reduces the possibility of a Bo9 TvT finals XD
Did someone break down the races yet? This is just for the top 56 not the invites, some people are placed in more groups because they are match-up specific (dragon/napoleon/joekim is random/Playa)
Terran(14) Dollar TryTooFaster Ramms Napoleon(Z also) Scan Joekim(P,Z also) Playa(P also) Terror Szajna Spx 3acaga Casper Skzlime Heme
Protoss(26) Roman Jumper DragOn(Z also) Voddy Sote Sznycel Gotunk Joekim(T,Z also) Playa(T also) Shauni Astro Fakap Soul Southpark R-Must Dsaqwe Semih Alfio Gucci Bishop God Various Kr GosuDark Yayba Fless
Zerg(20) Ace Dragon(P also) Sziky BigPio Bakuryu Napoleon(T also) Zaraki Joekim(P,T also) Mamon Julia Eonzerg Trutacz Technics Pike Kazik Octzerg Deska Kashu Hejek Michael
nice altho the video would be nicer without part 0:22 to 0:37. And and i didnt want to be rude or nagate the AoV sponsorship, just for me it doesnt fit with the rest of trailer.
nice altho the video would be nicer without part 0:22 to 0:37. And and i didnt want to be rude or nagate the AoV sponsorship, just for me it doesnt fit with the rest of trailer.
Lol no don't listen to this guy!!(no offense just kidding) but seriously those are cool parts!! Don't take them out!
Anyway, here's a quick rundown on how the casting will work. The groups have all been scheduled to play on Saturdays at 20:30 CET. I will be casting these live, possibly alongside Game. However, with 5 groups played per day (4 on the last day), it's obviously impossible to catch all the games. So, Game will suggest the best matches of the day for me to cast live. Then on Sunday, I will cast some of the games we missed from replays.
Now, I need some feedback/suggestions on how to do this. I don't think I'll be able to cast all of the games since it'll be 25 games per day, so I'll be polling you, the viewers, on which games you'd most like to see (from the ones that weren't casted live). I see two ways of doing this:
1) Vote on the group that you most want to see casted, and I will pick the top 2-3 groups to cast. I kind of prefer this method, since it's nice to have some of the continuity of casting a whole group, plus it's easier to make a poll.
2) Vote on individual games that you'd like to see casted. Rather than watching whole groups, viewers can just pick games with their favorite players. If we do this, I'll cast the most popular 10-15 matches depending on their lengths. The problem with this is, I can't just make TL poll for it, so I'll need suggestions on how to do the voting.
Poll: How to choose games?
Vote for groups (32)
76%
Vote for single matches (10)
24%
42 total votes
Your vote: How to choose games?
(Vote): Vote for groups (Vote): Vote for single matches
Voted groups not becasue its insulting (if anything its easier to play when you're NOT being streamed) but because its fun to see a whole group play out, because the matches indirectly affect each other.
Voted groups same reason, you want to follow what the break-down of the group is rather than individual games with no knowledge of how the rest of the group will turn out. Also, I think you should post most of the dynamic groups, i.e ones with all races I saw some with all zerg and 1 protoss or all protoss should be very boring to watch.
I'm glad you're running a league, but game can you be more immature? You're the face of the ISL, you have to deal with a lot of shit, but you NEVER ever say shit back as if you're a nobody, the sponsors gave you money to have them represented in this league. How will the sponsors feel when you keep acting like a idiot. You want more BW events? Act more professional. + Show Spoiler +
#38LRM)Gayme(Messages 22)lyesterday @ 17:50 CET-0+ Message to all Bulgarians:
Somehow Technics is extremely manner, and you are not. Stop crying to me about things that do not matter and will not change. Especially, stop doing it in jibberish.
#50LRM)Gayme(Messages 22)lyesterday @ 18:42 CET-0+ At first I was like "meh"
But now I'll disclose to the public that the reason dOTY left LRM) and stopped playing the ISL ladder is because I wouldn't give him an invite. Also for public disclosure, dOTY does not own a computer that can run Starcraft. Herpderp.
People trusted you with personal info and you tell the whole public, due to whatever doty said?
#55LRM)Gayme(Messages 22)lyesterday @ 18:53 CET-0+ Mmmm baby I love when you talk dirty to me. Please, rage harder. I love seeing your manly muscles bulging mmm and your veins popping out of your neck ohhhhhh. Baby stop it, come over here.
Seriously?
#80LRM)Gayme(Messages 22)ltoday @ 18:56 CET-0+ Technics is still in the tournament... these sad East Europeans can't read is all.
You do not diss a whole part of the world, just because someone misread / didn't read
Kinda divided on the poll. Whereas "the flow of a group" is a good argument, I think many people aren't familiar with a lot of these people and, in there preliminary rounds, it'd be good to introduce or sample as many of them as we can (i.e. cast a bunch of different players).
The groups are in the same format as the MSL groups (MST). All games are Bo1, but you play at least 2 games in your group, so it's more or less like playing a Bo3, just against different players. 2 players out of 4 advance from every group.
Machida, I will be making more polls when we get nearer to the actual group cays. That's the reason for making this first poll, to see what the format of those polls would be XD
@Ares[Effort] Yeah I agree with ya too. Game should act more professional if he wants to make BW get back to being as big as it was before instead of insulting other players. Not very mannered like.=/
hmmm,i understand ,but this is off topic,the isl group are ready,the cast will start tomorrow,not reason for complain,if u not are top 56 or invited player like doty ofc u agree,but plz,the tour its launched,have fun and support the tour,gl
As I said in my poll post, I will be casting some of the groups from replays on the Sundays after the live casts. At the moment, I'm planning to start these at 19:00 CET. Also, it seems that groups won over individual matches, so look for the polls for those in the threads that will be made for each day of the group stages.
I agree it did need much more hype. Pretty sure it's clear why that didn't happen. As for everything else, the amount of trolling in this thread is pretty out of hand. Regardless, the group stage starts within the next 13 hours.
DraW mentioned in a separate ISL thread that a fantasy system of AoV's iCCup Starleague would be cool.
On March 05 2011 18:11 Trap wrote: Online betting is by and large illegal in the United States. While players have little to fear from such legislation, advertisers have more to lose. I ask that you either retract all support, statements, and plans for online betting, or pull myself / Akliz.net from your sponsor list.
End game scenario: do you float your buildings over water where land units can't target them or do you say, "you deserve it for sticking it out; obv want it more", and not do so. Showed a lot of heart. gg.
because money was on the line, and joekim could have disqualified some legit contestants with his cheating if he didnt fail at interpreting what was cast.
On March 06 2011 07:38 FyRe_DragOn wrote: because money was on the line, and joekim could have disqualified some legit contestants with his cheating if he didnt fail at interpreting what was cast.
youre only accusing him of cheating. you dont know if he actually cheated. from my perspective, it looked like about a C- level protoss. he saw 8 lings so he added 2 canons at front door, letting the pylon finish (expo block). it just looked like really really terrible play, nothing more.
On March 06 2011 07:38 FyRe_DragOn wrote: because money was on the line, and joekim could have disqualified some legit contestants with his cheating if he didnt fail at interpreting what was cast.
youre only accusing him of cheating. you dont know if he actually cheated. from my perspective, it looked like about a C- level protoss. he saw 8 lings so he added 2 canons at front door, letting the pylon finish (expo block). it just looked like really really terrible play, nothing more.
read god's comment in the other thread... it was a bit more suspicious than that. The robo started was a bit random and the most suspicious part was starting two cannons near his main nexus like that.
On March 06 2011 07:38 FyRe_DragOn wrote: because money was on the line, and joekim could have disqualified some legit contestants with his cheating if he didnt fail at interpreting what was cast.
youre only accusing him of cheating. you dont know if he actually cheated. from my perspective, it looked like about a C- level protoss. he saw 8 lings so he added 2 canons at front door, letting the pylon finish (expo block). it just looked like really really terrible play, nothing more.
read god's comment in the other thread... it was a bit more suspicious than that. The robo started was a bit random and the most suspicious part was starting two cannons near his main nexus like that.
i did and i watched the game. he opened citadel without a stargate. those canons would have matched muta timing since he needed something to defend his main from that possibility. all those canons werent exactly well placed for a drop. maybe the game plan was defend possibility of muta and hydra through canons in main and reaver defending hydra bust. he has no skill whatsoever with p is what i saw.
accusing someone of cheating is not someone you should be doing. you might be accusing an innocent. innocent until proven guilty right?
I hate to double post, this all of this needs to be seen.
The replays ISL staff is missing from Brackets 1-5 that NEED to be sent to iCCup.NoOne: + Show Spoiler +
BigPio vs sOte TTF vs vOddy JoeKim vs Playa
ADDED TO THE OP: The Group Stage / Round of 32 Rules The ScreenShots of the Ladder Qualifications The Map Pool The Group Stage Brackets The Four Invites The Results from Groups 1-5 ISL VOD Channels
On March 06 2011 07:38 FyRe_DragOn wrote: because money was on the line, and joekim could have disqualified some legit contestants with his cheating if he didnt fail at interpreting what was cast.
youre only accusing him of cheating. you dont know if he actually cheated. from my perspective, it looked like about a C- level protoss. he saw 8 lings so he added 2 canons at front door, letting the pylon finish (expo block). it just looked like really really terrible play, nothing more.
read god's comment in the other thread... it was a bit more suspicious than that. The robo started was a bit random and the most suspicious part was starting two cannons near his main nexus like that.
i did and i watched the game. he opened citadel without a stargate. those canons would have matched muta timing since he needed something to defend his main from that possibility. all those canons werent exactly well placed for a drop. maybe the game plan was defend possibility of muta and hydra through canons in main and reaver defending hydra bust. he has no skill whatsoever with p is what i saw.
accusing someone of cheating is not someone you should be doing. you might be accusing an innocent. innocent until proven guilty right?
I didn't say he was guilty, I'm just saying it was suspicious. I don't have the replay so I don't want to go in-depth on this and I generally believe that people can be intuitive and sense things without cheating. The whole MistrZZZ hacking thing for example was very evident of this. But in this case, I just think his general movement added up as a reaction to listening to the stream. It was very clear to me, and most other protoss players watching the cast.
He opened citadel without a stargate why? He didn't fear mutas, generally it's a suicidal build. Sure you could argue that it's low level and wah-wah but I doubt you'd normally risk it in an elimination if you're not doing a quick push. But he didn't push out, he decided to stay in-base after they talked about lurkers and zerg low econ. He didn't scout anything. The 2 cannons were not against mutas, that's for sure. They were on the outside of the nexus, mutas would have been able to stay at the edge of the mineral line without them hitting plus disabling the gas. You can only put cannons like that against mutas if you have a few sairs for support. And you do not normally robo after citadel. His build was definitely not something planned beforehand because it'd make no sense whatsoever if you only had his vision. I don't understand why you're lecturing me about PvZ when you're some random C player, and even more I don't understand the reasoning behind defending joekim, trying to act morally just...
On March 06 2011 07:38 FyRe_DragOn wrote: because money was on the line, and joekim could have disqualified some legit contestants with his cheating if he didnt fail at interpreting what was cast.
youre only accusing him of cheating. you dont know if he actually cheated. from my perspective, it looked like about a C- level protoss. he saw 8 lings so he added 2 canons at front door, letting the pylon finish (expo block). it just looked like really really terrible play, nothing more.
read god's comment in the other thread... it was a bit more suspicious than that. The robo started was a bit random and the most suspicious part was starting two cannons near his main nexus like that.
i did and i watched the game. he opened citadel without a stargate. those canons would have matched muta timing since he needed something to defend his main from that possibility. all those canons werent exactly well placed for a drop. maybe the game plan was defend possibility of muta and hydra through canons in main and reaver defending hydra bust. he has no skill whatsoever with p is what i saw.
accusing someone of cheating is not someone you should be doing. you might be accusing an innocent. innocent until proven guilty right?
I didn't say he was guilty, I'm just saying it was suspicious. I don't have the replay so I don't want to go in-depth on this. I just think his general movement added up as a reaction to listening to the stream.
He opened citadel without a stargate why? He didn't fear mutas, generally it's a suicidal build. Sure you could argue that it's low level and wah-wah but I doubt you'd normally risk it in an elimination. He was going to push out but decided to stay in-base after they talked about lurkers. He didn't scout anything. The 2 cannons were not against mutas, that's for sure. They were on the outside of the nexus, mutas would have been able to stay at the edge of the mineral line without them hitting plus disabling the gas. You can only put cannons like that against mutas if you have a few sairs for support. And you do not normally robo after citadel. His build was definitely not something planned beforehand because it'd make no sense whatsoever if you only had his vision. I don't understand why you're lecturing me about PvZ when you're some random C player, and even more I don't understand the reasoning behind defending joekim, trying to act morally just...
I was B high last season -_- i just dont want someones reputation to get ruined because of accusation.
"you do not normally robo after citadel" --> you normally dont let a pylon block finish vs overpool. --> you normally don't go up to 3 canons in the front when you scout 8 lings. --> you usually don't not make a stargate. --> you usually don't open with just a citadel and no templar tech with 2 gases with no +1 weapons with just 1 gateway.
my point being the entire opening by joekim was terrible. doesn't mean he cheated, just means he's bad.
as for citadel openings being suicide: no they are timing attacks. meant to do damage and then youre suppose to defend the counter muta is usually how it plays out..
I know that they are timing attacks. A few years ago, almost every foreigner game would be 2, 3 or 4 gate zeal into archon without sairs because even top foreign zergs didn't have the muta micro to deal with it properly. That wasn't what he was doing though. It didn't even resemble it. A D- player could have executed a pure timing push before mutas better. You're completely blind if you think that was what he was aiming for all the time. Joekim might not be a top foreigner, but he definitely knew what he did that game, even though it proved useless in the end.
On March 06 2011 08:30 Shauni wrote: I know that they are timing attacks. A few years ago, almost every foreigner game would be 2, 3 or 4 gate zeal into archon without sairs because even top foreign zergs didn't have the muta micro to deal with it properly. That wasn't what he was doing though. It didn't even resemble it. A D- player could have executed a pure timing push before mutas better. You're completely blind if you think that was what he was aiming for all the time. Joekim might not be a top foreigner, but he definitely knew what he did that game, even though it proved useless in the end.
until official announcement comes that he was listening to the stream, i am closing my eyes. so yes you're pretty dead on with that post ^^
Note that I only just created the Youtube channel, so there's still a 15 minute cap on the videos. I'm not sure how long it takes for a channel to get that limit lifted, but I'll try uploading a few more short ones until then. This means that not all VODs will be available on Youtube. However, all VODs WILL be available on the blip channel.
wtf, if i was cheating wouldn't i have won? Cute is an all-in gamer that i raped during the ladder stage and then he dodged me. the first game we played during the Group Stage, he did an all-in ling into lurker rush. he sucks with mutas, i was going for reaver/storms to counter his all-in strats. once his attack fails, i can push out with reaver/storm/goon and expo. i was expecting lurker contain/lurker drop, not 4 slow lord dra drop. if i was watching the stream and saw that coming, i would have skipped the robo and throw up 6 cannons and wait for my temps. if anything, Cute or his team watching the stream would be helping him since i was getting numerous messages from ItsJust[PaiN] about the game.
yeah but if you were just listening to the stream, which is much more logical while trying to actually play, then you would think hes going lurkers since the casters did not mention the hydralisk drop until it was being loaded up outside your base. Im not accusing you of cheating, just saying it looks very suspicious, and i would not be surprised at all, given your already obvious lack of sportsmanship displayed after you lost.
Also, no one cares about your ladder game vs cute. Theres nothing wrong with using a certain playstyle, one that you yourself are even reputed to use regularly. Try not to act like a 13yr old when you lose, and im sure less people would be jumping to associate you with other contemptible behavior.
sportsmanship? lol, are you kidding? this is Brood War. it has been around for over 14 years. clearly i was BM purposefully for the sake of it being streamed. i lost to all in twice. i was fine with losing to it the first time, but twice is ridiculous.
the extent of my BM: "fucking cheap ass" "i rape you during Ladder stage and you cheese me all of ISL group stage"
since you're unaware, let me enlighten your ignorance with some facts. i picked my Group, Cute was my first pick because i outclassed him the last time we played. i was stubborn and went PvZ because that's the matchup i rolled him on. he would not beat me ZvZ, especially since he definitely does not have better muta control than i do. even after the first loss on Colosseum, a handful of people told me to ZvZ him, but my pride made me pick P in the last 3 seconds.
another note since your exuberant absence in the mind region seems to get the best of you, i used to co-cast with Sayle quite often as well as being casted by him. lashing out at opponents and not typing "gg" has nothing to do with age nor maturity. pointing out facts just shows honesty, and that is what was initiated during today's cast. you're probably the same guy as the ItsJust[PaiN] tool that kept messaging me during that game.
LOL itsjust[pain] is obviously not me, we were both on at the same time, and i was playing my matches too, how does that even make sense?
yeah sportsmanship, this is a big tournament, youre like 25 or something, show some respect for your opponents. Lashing out at people who havent done anything to you except beat you in fair play does not qualify as mature behavior, at least imo. You werent just pointing out facts, you were trying to be a giant dick because you felt cheated at losing to someone you thought youd easily beat. Typing "afk" and making him kill your last buildings had nothing to do with showing facts, even if all your other comments were simply an attempt to let your viewers know about your and cute's previous ladder record, which really was not necessary to anything but your inflated ego.
On March 06 2011 09:57 JoeKim wrote: wtf, if i was cheating wouldn't i have won? Cute is an all-in gamer that i raped during the ladder stage and then he dodged me. the first game we played during the Group Stage, he did an all-in ling into lurker rush. he sucks with mutas, i was going for reaver/storms to counter his all-in strats. once his attack fails, i can push out with reaver/storm/goon and expo. i was expecting lurker contain/lurker drop, not 4 slow lord dra drop. if i was watching the stream and saw that coming, i would have skipped the robo and throw up 6 cannons and wait for my temps. if anything, Cute or his team watching the stream would be helping him since i was getting numerous messages from ItsJust[PaiN] about the game.
On March 06 2011 11:05 Assault_1 wrote: wow, why are you being such a little bitch.. your an admin, act like it
you can't be serious, mike. 1) what am i admining? 2) you suck up to every gamer at high status, adding them to skype/msn/facebook 3) you're hella annoying 4) you're horrid at this game and that's why you get denied and fail tryouts for Top Teams
On March 06 2011 11:05 Assault_1 wrote: wow, why are you being such a little bitch.. your an admin, act like it
you can't be serious, mike. 1) what am i admining? 2) you suck up to every gamer at high status, adding them to skype/msn/facebook 3) you're hella annoying 4) you're horrid at this game and that's why you get denied and fail tryouts for Top Teams
lmao, ok I'll play along
1) idk, you happen to have this account called ICCUP.JOEKIM 2) actually I just add my friends, which happen to be high-level. I don't hang out with D-'s/E's. 3) k 4) oh thats ironic, didn't I beat you with a drone rush a couple weeks ago? and i've already got b+, remind me of your definition of horrid? oh and there isn't a single team i haven't tried out for and not gotten.
now its time to stop talking before u embarrass urself anymore
On March 06 2011 11:30 Assault_1 wrote: lmao, ok I'll play along
1) idk, you happen to have this account called ICCUP.JOEKIM 2) actually I just add my friends, which happen to be high-level. I don't hang out with D-'s/E's. 3) k 4) oh thats ironic, didn't I beat you with a drone rush a couple weeks ago? and i've already got b+, remind me of your definition of horrid? oh and there isn't a single team i haven't tried out for and not gotten.
now its time to stop talking before u embarrass urself anymore
iCCup.JoeKim got deleted along with Yan, Belladona, and 100,000 other accounts. i know of at least 3 people you've added that don't know you, don't like you, don't want to get to know you. even Game denied your Skype request. 13cc vs drone/ling rush big whoop? B+ on Assaulty? 87-63 B? you were begging to join LRM, and kicked to the curb. good job qualifying for ISL, pro.
On March 06 2011 10:38 JoeKim wrote: sportsmanship? lol, are you kidding? this is Brood War. it has been around for over 14 years. clearly i was BM purposefully for the sake of it being streamed. i lost to all in twice. i was fine with losing to it the first time, but twice is ridiculous.
as the ItsJust[PaiN] tool that kept messaging me during that game.
Yo. Its Just Pain here (u can learn something from the meaning of that id). You admit you were being BM for the purpose of the stream (very adminly of you btw, nice touch spicing things up with fake drama) so you had to anticipate someone finding it funny that you got owned AFTER talking shit.
My msg was "lolllll owneddddd son. must be embarassing to be bm on stream then get raped" after your Nexus died (note to you: you were fucked incase you didn't know). In the channel I then told you to "eat a dick" as I watched a lot of The Boondocks on Netflix canada due to limited selection and it was pretty funny.
So lol, once again good job being eliminated.
Grudge matches all around, they are the heart and soul of bw. Also the east trash shines clearly on you, wear it well and flame on
On March 06 2011 13:00 ninazerg wrote: If there were to be an Assaulty vs Joekim grudge match, that would be so cools.
sure, I'm in
joekim i'm not even gonna bother responding, u sound like such a desperate tool trying to come up with everything u can think of. oh and ya, sorry I didn't qualify for ISL.. I tried really hard but ended with 1000 points 0-0. maybe next time when I don't have a life outside bw.
Embarrassing yourself, JoeKim XD I like how Assault says you're acting immature for an iCCup admin, then you go off insulting him about stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with his original point or any of your BM. Good job composing yourself.
Assault and Joekim, if you'd really like to play a grudgematch, I'll totally stream/cast it. Just PM me (or Skype me) about when you have time.
Also, for everyone else: Joekim resigned from the ICCup admin team shortly after ISL laddering started. He hasn't been an admin for a couple of weeks.
Edit: And if for some reason you're following this thread but not the other one, all VODs from the live cast are now up on blip.tv. I'm working on splitting the videos and getting them on Youtube right now.
On March 06 2011 22:08 Sayle wrote: Assault and Joekim, if you'd really like to play a grudgematch, I'll totally stream/cast it. Just PM me (or Skype me) about when you have time. .
anytime Saturday, Friday/Sunday i'll be free after 23 CET. Monday-Thursday i have classes from 8am til 10pm. accommodate accordingly and i will be there.
On March 07 2011 03:07 Quakie wrote: Suggestion to Sayle: Use overlays in your casting, so we can see whos is playin. Otherwise this is great!
I don't have a good overlay for it though
I can't really use a static image overlay like I usually do since I have to adjust it for the players. So far, all the programs I've found to put adjustable player overlays are for SC2, so the graphics are all SC2-ish, which I definitely don't want.
I believe that Dragon vs Voddy on Desti was ZvP, Dragon Z, and Zaraki vs Napoleon was TvZ, Napoleon T.
Correct.
are all ISL participants allowed to change races depending on their opponents? what if one goes "Oh you are a Terran, let me play Protoss" the other goes "If you are playing Protoss, imma go with Zerg" then the first one goes "O then let me TvZ you" ??????????????
I dont think it should be allowed. *unless they choose to play random in the beginning
I believe in other tournaments that have allowed race-picking, the way you resolve that is by having both players whisper an admin what race they choose before entering the game.
On March 07 2011 03:07 Quakie wrote: Suggestion to Sayle: Use overlays in your casting, so we can see whos is playin. Otherwise this is great!
I don't have a good overlay for it though
I can't really use a static image overlay like I usually do since I have to adjust it for the players. So far, all the programs I've found to put adjustable player overlays are for SC2, so the graphics are all SC2-ish, which I definitely don't want.
well you said you use Xsplit, so what you could do is make a static background image (the bar itself) and then add xsplit titles for the players, which u then can edit before every game. maybe ask kiante he done it for winners league and i think he uses xsplit too.
that would be a very great addition since i tend to get distracted from stream and dont wanna ask for whos playin everytime i put my focus back to it :D
i'm not sure what is planned but for like RO32 u could also do some playpages thingy, similar to TSL that would be uberawesome!
On March 08 2011 20:19 byFd wrote: well you said you use Xsplit, so what you could do is make a static background image (the bar itself) and then add xsplit titles for the players, which u then can edit before every game. maybe ask kiante he done it for winners league and i think he uses xsplit too.
that would be a very great addition since i tend to get distracted from stream and dont wanna ask for whos playin everytime i put my focus back to it :D
i'm not sure what is planned but for like RO32 u could also do some playpages thingy, similar to TSL that would be uberawesome!
I've gotten Gecko to do some custom images for the Alpha Caster overlay program, so I'll try that out this week. Kiante's been doing all kinds of crazy stuff with his stream lately, it's way too gosu for me.
Yeah, maybe playerpages could work, if you saw TSL 1&2(you better) they did that great. Not sure with this tourney though, there's alot of unknownish players, but still.
On March 08 2011 20:19 byFd wrote: well you said you use Xsplit, so what you could do is make a static background image (the bar itself) and then add xsplit titles for the players, which u then can edit before every game. maybe ask kiante he done it for winners league and i think he uses xsplit too.
that would be a very great addition since i tend to get distracted from stream and dont wanna ask for whos playin everytime i put my focus back to it :D
i'm not sure what is planned but for like RO32 u could also do some playpages thingy, similar to TSL that would be uberawesome!
I've gotten Gecko to do some custom images for the Alpha Caster overlay program, so I'll try that out this week. Kiante's been doing all kinds of crazy stuff with his stream lately, it's way too gosu for me.
What are playpages?
dude its so easy just get gecko to make you a bar, throw it at the top, then just file-add title repeat until u have all the info in, gg no re
On March 08 2011 20:28 byFd wrote: oh lol typo there^^ i meant playerpages, with like an image of the player and name, race, nationality, clan, maybe record or achievements.
thats not necessary, just a suggestion
This was very much considered for posting, we just never got around to it.
On March 06 2011 22:08 Sayle wrote: Assault and Joekim, if you'd really like to play a grudgematch, I'll totally stream/cast it. Just PM me (or Skype me) about when you have time. .
anytime Saturday, Friday/Sunday i'll be free after 23 CET. Monday-Thursday i have classes from 8am til 10pm. accommodate accordingly and i will be there.
I know this. Assaulty is one of the largest unknown nuisances in all of BW. He's not only a dodger, but a huge troll. My disdain for him can't be expressed in words acceptable to the TL mods.
On March 11 2011 07:18 Sayle wrote: According to a very reliable source, Assaulty is a dodger so the grudge match seems unlikely to happen. :/
If you haven't noticed, I haven't played a single bw game for atleast a week, and I won't be able to until atleast next week. theres alot of stuff going on I have to deal with for now. ur reliable source (iccup.noone) is just being a shit disturber.
On March 11 2011 07:18 Sayle wrote: According to a very reliable source, Assaulty is a dodger so the grudge match seems unlikely to happen. :/
If you haven't noticed, I haven't played a single bw game for atleast a week, and I won't be able to until atleast next week. theres alot of stuff going on I have to deal with for now. ur reliable source (iccup.noone) is just being a shit disturber.
my post was a joke u are a DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODGERRRRRRRRRR GGGGGGGGGGG, check sayle vods for eon mass gg its sexy
Are there any higher quality images of the final ladder standings? The photos are too blurry for me to read. Someone who can see the actual standings should edit them into the ISL liquipedia ladder section.
The disfunctional ISL VOD YouTube channel link has been fixed in the OP. No idea how I botched that with a specific link... but it is fixed and all the VODs from the Ro56 so far are available and will continue to be uploaded. Also, the Top 56 screenshot was fixed by byFd.
On March 13 2011 08:46 QuothTheRaven wrote: Are there any higher quality images of the final ladder standings? The photos are too blurry for me to read. Someone who can see the actual standings should edit them into the ISL liquipedia ladder section.
there is now a better image in the OP, feel free to contribute to the wiki. TSL2 has a ladder results page too, if you are looking for inspiration i was about to do it, but i saw i missed some players in the country breakdown, so went to recount and now i'm heading to bed
When I was looking through the ISL overview page on the wiki, I noticed my name was a link and got extremely excited that I might actually have my own wiki page. Turns out it was just a link to my stream
On March 16 2011 23:31 Sayle wrote: When I was looking through the ISL overview page on the wiki, I noticed my name was a link and got extremely excited that I might actually have my own wiki page. Turns out it was just a link to my stream
Nobody can make a liquipedia page about you, as you are too mysterious.
why u guys all so lazy? have to do everything myself? AoV iCCup StarLeague/Ladder Feel free to check it all for correctness, specially stats and points since i used an ocr software and only checked and corrected the names by hand. Also i'm not sure who is disqualified etc, so we might add some notes there or something.
The AoV iCCup Starleague has begun. The schedule, times, maps, and brackets for the start of the tournament have been added to the OP. I wish to here any comments, predictions, or who you're rooting for.
On February 07 2011 05:41 Jienny wrote: This made me so happy, Can't wait for the ro32!! GL all!
All results have been edited into the OP. Outside of that, the player of the showmatch has been changed from White-Ra to + Show Spoiler +
iNferNaL
. This is due to White-Ra citing that because of SC2 practice, he cannot perform and practice to be in top shape for a BW showmatch and therefore will not participate in it.
Yet i dont think Scan should have been let to play in it because he is pretty much better than everyone and I was sure he would be at least in the final. ( he is korean )
Second thing - Game should learn manners. Being the organizater and co-caster you start bashing the players in the tournament. This is unexeptable and pathetic by all means. I dont care do you like somebody or what have anyone said or did. It really doesnt matter and nothing excuses you for this behaviour. Hope next time you will learn your lesson.
Last but not least
Sayle and JoeKim did a great job and were the main reason why this tournament turned so well.
On April 27 2011 21:36 iMp.will. wrote: Err, he is a korean in a foreigner tournament
And to fast forward into this it really doesnt matter where he lives because hes still a korean
Are you saying Korean's are only good at StarCraft because of something in their blood? What a joke. It's living in the Korean scene and practicing within it that makes Korean players a notch above. If he doesn't live in Korea, I don't see what possible argument you would have (I have no idea if he does or does not live in Korea, but if he doesn't then I don't see what the problem is).
On April 27 2011 21:36 iMp.will. wrote: Err, he is a korean in a foreigner tournament
And to fast forward into this it really doesnt matter where he lives because hes still a korean
Are you saying Korean's are only good at StarCraft because of something in their blood? What a joke. It's living in the Korean scene and practicing within it that makes Korean players a notch above. If he doesn't live in Korea, I don't see what possible argument you would have (I have no idea if he does or does not live in Korea, but if he doesn't then I don't see what the problem is).
hmm,he can speak korean,and u can see on his stream he train with semipro players and very gosu skill players of brainclan,also they can teach him and help aloot,for be korean,we dont have that ...
On April 27 2011 21:36 iMp.will. wrote: Err, he is a korean in a foreigner tournament
And to fast forward into this it really doesnt matter where he lives because hes still a korean
Are you saying Korean's are only good at StarCraft because of something in their blood? What a joke. It's living in the Korean scene and practicing within it that makes Korean players a notch above. If he doesn't live in Korea, I don't see what possible argument you would have (I have no idea if he does or does not live in Korea, but if he doesn't then I don't see what the problem is).
Dude this is a foreigner tournament and he is a korean. He was given the green light to play because he lives in the USA and the rules says no korean ips which favours koreans abroad like him to participate.
On April 27 2011 19:59 roman012 wrote: Sayle and JoeKim did a great job and were the main reason why this tournament turned so well.
that was very touching
but the real reason why this tournament turned out "well" would be the sponsors and Game's organization. if anything, Sayle brought viewers and helped in the revival of SC:BW with his contributions and coverage. it helped the community thrive as a whole, but in terms of ISL...ISL could have just been another tournament consisting of brackets, referees, and money.
On April 27 2011 22:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: hmm,he can speak korean,and u can see on his stream he train with semipro players and very gosu skill players of brainclan,also they can teach him and help aloot,for be korean,we dont have that ...
in reference to the matter of Scan being permitted to play, none of the points that were made have validity. here are some reasons why: anyone can learn korean and "talk to semipros" or train with them. that's not an issue of communication, that's an issue of connections. so if anyone gets proficient training from great players, they shouldn't be allowed to play? myself, michael(OD), and NrG.GoD are all korean. in retrospect, we could have done the same no? i actually know some non-Koreans that are extremely fluent and far better than myself at Korean. ToT)Mondragon( trained with koreans, regardless of not knowing the language. the argument has no basis. let's say Scan were to get banned from future events for your nonsensical theory and a random Canadian newbie decided to get lessons from Scan. does that mean that random Canadian newbie shouldn't be allowed to play? the last time Scan was intently into 1v1 Laddering was during his G4i days. then he transitioned into playing 2v2 mainly for the past few seasons and 1v1ing occasionally whenever his ally wasn't online or if he got bored and wanted to try a strat he saw on Proleague. the "no Koreans" rule in my eyes, was an effort to keep out the Courage level Koreans who cannot comprehend basic English and more than likely have insane ping. where does ISL draw the line? simple, Game's discretion. living in korea would be a big advantage to any player solely due to the exposure of SC:BW in their sports world. i'm not sure if i'll get chewed out for sharing this information, but Mongoliana was one of the questionable players because he has been living in Korea for a the past few years. why is this just surfacing now? why not during the Ladder Stage or even the Group Stage? now that Scan won the first ISL it's complete wahhhhhfest? don't get mad, get better. adapt & overcome.
On April 27 2011 19:59 roman012 wrote: Sayle and JoeKim did a great job and were the main reason why this tournament turned so well.
that was very touching
but the real reason why this tournament turned out "well" would be the sponsors and Game's organization. if anything, Sayle brought viewers and helped in the revival of SC:BW with his contributions and coverage. it helped the community thrive as a whole, but in terms of ISL...ISL could have just been another tournament consisting of brackets, referees, and money.
On April 27 2011 22:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: hmm,he can speak korean,and u can see on his stream he train with semipro players and very gosu skill players of brainclan,also they can teach him and help aloot,for be korean,we dont have that ...
in reference to the matter of Scan being permitted to play, none of the points that were made have validity. here are some reasons why: anyone can learn korean and "talk to semipros" or train with them. that's not an issue of communication, that's an issue of connections. so if anyone gets proficient training from great players, they shouldn't be allowed to play? myself, michael(OD), and NrG.GoD are all korean. in retrospect, we could have done the same no? i actually know some non-Koreans that are extremely fluent and far better than myself at Korean. ToT)Mondragon( trained with koreans, regardless of not knowing the language. the argument has no basis. let's say Scan were to get banned from future events for your nonsensical theory and a random Canadian newbie decided to get lessons from Scan. does that mean that random Canadian newbie shouldn't be allowed to play? the last time Scan was intently into 1v1 Laddering was during his G4i days. then he transitioned into playing 2v2 mainly for the past few seasons and 1v1ing occasionally whenever his ally wasn't online or if he got bored and wanted to try a strat he saw on Proleague. the "no Koreans" rule in my eyes, was an effort to keep out the Courage level Koreans who cannot comprehend basic English and more than likely have insane ping. where does ISL draw the line? simple, Game's discretion. living in korea would be a big advantage to any player solely due to the exposure of SC:BW in their sports world. i'm not sure if i'll get chewed out for sharing this information, but Mongoliana was one of the questionable players because he has been living in Korea for a the past few years. why is this just surfacing now? why not during the Ladder Stage or even the Group Stage? now that Scan won the first ISL it's complete wahhhhhfest? don't get mad, get better. adapt & overcome.
So Canadians are NOOBS now? /RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Scan almost lost to Sziky anyway (game on medusa could have gone to sziky) so why does it matter if he is korean? The games still seem pretty close. IMO The reason why he won is probably because he played more than other people (maybe cause connections, maybe cause hes like 15 and has more time) but if you want to get better - just play more and research more and then you can avoid the problem of thinking he is better.
On April 28 2011 16:17 anatem wrote: this was a great event, thanks for all the work sayle game and jk mostly, it shows how far you can get on little resources when you got enough passion
thanks for the support and kind words, keeps us motivated to reproduce absolute awesome offspring.
Just finished watching last of games I missed, and what a great journey its been! Big cheers and bows for all organizers and sponsors. Its really great to see basically new crew to find their own style and not change from original even when some whine like mad.
Some criticism was really harsh, but in a way gotta say you guys handled it like a pro and found ways to improve even from that. Now we just need Sayle to stop dating and do more casting(Slave contract him)
Also semis and finals was best entertainment I've had for while, as Diggity did co-op with Sayle amazingly. It was overall really great experience.
I have now realized that when ever I read Games/Sayles/JoeKims posts, They sound (in my head) like them from casts, specially Game, I even add those small bursts of laugh in between those silly remarks
On April 28 2011 16:55 Jienny wrote: I have now realized that when ever I read Games/Sayles/JoeKims posts, They sound like them from casts, specially Game, I even add those small bursts of laugh in between those silly remarks
hahaha, yeah it's also fun to match faces with ISL players >.< (cough ISL-interviews-plug-here cough)
On April 27 2011 21:36 iMp.will. wrote: Err, he is a korean in a foreigner tournament
And to fast forward into this it really doesnt matter where he lives because hes still a korean
Are you saying Korean's are only good at StarCraft because of something in their blood? What a joke. It's living in the Korean scene and practicing within it that makes Korean players a notch above. If he doesn't live in Korea, I don't see what possible argument you would have (I have no idea if he does or does not live in Korea, but if he doesn't then I don't see what the problem is).
hmm,he can speak korean,and u can see on his stream he train with semipro players and very gosu skill players of brainclan,also they can teach him and help aloot,for be korean,we dont have that ...
I stopped playing 1v1 in brainclan since November. I only played there for 2v2. West is much better than brainclan becuz good players are always from west and they have clans. They just play at brainclan for ranking up the 1v1 ladder. Your 1v1 ladder rank will be proving your skill and it helps a lot to join new clan. Btw brainclan people most likely play strategies, micro and cheesy build games. On the other hand, in west, if you cheese someone, people will dodge you becuz most players play west for macro game(not early game. You can play agressive style but no cheese and half all in). Btw they don't teach me. I just play against them for practice and fix my mistakes or macro game.
On April 27 2011 19:59 roman012 wrote: Sayle and JoeKim did a great job and were the main reason why this tournament turned so well.
that was very touching
but the real reason why this tournament turned out "well" would be the sponsors and Game's organization. if anything, Sayle brought viewers and helped in the revival of SC:BW with his contributions and coverage. it helped the community thrive as a whole, but in terms of ISL...ISL could have just been another tournament consisting of brackets, referees, and money.
On April 27 2011 22:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: hmm,he can speak korean,and u can see on his stream he train with semipro players and very gosu skill players of brainclan,also they can teach him and help aloot,for be korean,we dont have that ...
in reference to the matter of Scan being permitted to play, none of the points that were made have validity. here are some reasons why: anyone can learn korean and "talk to semipros" or train with them. that's not an issue of communication, that's an issue of connections. so if anyone gets proficient training from great players, they shouldn't be allowed to play? myself, michael(OD), and NrG.GoD are all korean. in retrospect, we could have done the same no? i actually know some non-Koreans that are extremely fluent and far better than myself at Korean. ToT)Mondragon( trained with koreans, regardless of not knowing the language. the argument has no basis. let's say Scan were to get banned from future events for your nonsensical theory and a random Canadian newbie decided to get lessons from Scan. does that mean that random Canadian newbie shouldn't be allowed to play? the last time Scan was intently into 1v1 Laddering was during his G4i days. then he transitioned into playing 2v2 mainly for the past few seasons and 1v1ing occasionally whenever his ally wasn't online or if he got bored and wanted to try a strat he saw on Proleague. the "no Koreans" rule in my eyes, was an effort to keep out the Courage level Koreans who cannot comprehend basic English and more than likely have insane ping. where does ISL draw the line? simple, Game's discretion. living in korea would be a big advantage to any player solely due to the exposure of SC:BW in their sports world. i'm not sure if i'll get chewed out for sharing this information, but Mongoliana was one of the questionable players because he has been living in Korea for a the past few years. why is this just surfacing now? why not during the Ladder Stage or even the Group Stage? now that Scan won the first ISL it's complete wahhhhhfest? don't get mad, get better. adapt & overcome.
So Canadians are NOOBS now? /RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Scan almost lost to Sziky anyway (game on medusa could have gone to sziky) so why does it matter if he is korean? The games still seem pretty close. IMO The reason why he won is probably because he played more than other people (maybe cause connections, maybe cause hes like 15 and has more time) but if you want to get better - just play more and research more and then you can avoid the problem of thinking he is better.
lol what makes you think I play more than 15games per day? Btw I don't play 1v1 nowadays. I play 2v2 more than 1v1 I can prove you by giving my autoreplay packet. When I start playing 2v2, I felt 2v2 needs good multitasks and fundamental becuz since I'm Terran I have to support my ally Zerg and you need good timing of clicking to split marines and medics when Protoss storms on your marines and medics. 2v2 is really damn hard for Terran becuz like what joekim said, I was 1v1 player but i started playing 2v2 when I joined G4i. 2v2 was hard becuz you always need timing understand opponents and ally so you can play the better build order or unit combination. 2v2 is most likely brain game(requires some good multitasks and good macro with 1-2 base). It's fun and I like it. Oh my point is getting way off.. Don't say it like that unless you know what I'm doing.
On April 27 2011 19:59 roman012 wrote: Sayle and JoeKim did a great job and were the main reason why this tournament turned so well.
that was very touching
but the real reason why this tournament turned out "well" would be the sponsors and Game's organization. if anything, Sayle brought viewers and helped in the revival of SC:BW with his contributions and coverage. it helped the community thrive as a whole, but in terms of ISL...ISL could have just been another tournament consisting of brackets, referees, and money.
On April 27 2011 22:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: hmm,he can speak korean,and u can see on his stream he train with semipro players and very gosu skill players of brainclan,also they can teach him and help aloot,for be korean,we dont have that ...
in reference to the matter of Scan being permitted to play, none of the points that were made have validity. here are some reasons why: anyone can learn korean and "talk to semipros" or train with them. that's not an issue of communication, that's an issue of connections. so if anyone gets proficient training from great players, they shouldn't be allowed to play? myself, michael(OD), and NrG.GoD are all korean. in retrospect, we could have done the same no? i actually know some non-Koreans that are extremely fluent and far better than myself at Korean. ToT)Mondragon( trained with koreans, regardless of not knowing the language. the argument has no basis. let's say Scan were to get banned from future events for your nonsensical theory and a random Canadian newbie decided to get lessons from Scan. does that mean that random Canadian newbie shouldn't be allowed to play? the last time Scan was intently into 1v1 Laddering was during his G4i days. then he transitioned into playing 2v2 mainly for the past few seasons and 1v1ing occasionally whenever his ally wasn't online or if he got bored and wanted to try a strat he saw on Proleague. the "no Koreans" rule in my eyes, was an effort to keep out the Courage level Koreans who cannot comprehend basic English and more than likely have insane ping. where does ISL draw the line? simple, Game's discretion. living in korea would be a big advantage to any player solely due to the exposure of SC:BW in their sports world. i'm not sure if i'll get chewed out for sharing this information, but Mongoliana was one of the questionable players because he has been living in Korea for a the past few years. why is this just surfacing now? why not during the Ladder Stage or even the Group Stage? now that Scan won the first ISL it's complete wahhhhhfest? don't get mad, get better. adapt & overcome.
So Canadians are NOOBS now? /RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Scan almost lost to Sziky anyway (game on medusa could have gone to sziky) so why does it matter if he is korean? The games still seem pretty close. IMO The reason why he won is probably because he played more than other people (maybe cause connections, maybe cause hes like 15 and has more time) but if you want to get better - just play more and research more and then you can avoid the problem of thinking he is better.
lol what makes you think I play more than 15games per day? Btw I don't play 1v1 nowadays. I play 2v2 more than 1v1 I can prove you by giving my autoreplay packet. When I start playing 2v2, I felt 2v2 needs good multitasks and fundamental becuz since I'm Terran I have to support my ally Zerg and you need good timing of clicking to split marines and medics when Protoss storms on your marines and medics. 2v2 is really damn hard for Terran becuz like what joekim said, I was 1v1 player but i started playing 2v2 when I joined G4i. 2v2 was hard becuz you always need timing understand opponents and ally so you can play the better build order or unit combination. 2v2 is most likely brain game(requires some good multitasks and good macro with 1-2 base). It's fun and I like it. Oh my point is getting way off.. Don't say it like that unless you know what I'm doing.
When did 15 games a day become a small number? In fact, that's holy shit amount of games unless you live in Korea.
Im not saying Game didnt do anything etc. He was the man behind this tournament and I may say he did an amazing job running everything. Especially finding sponsors is extremly hard thing nowadays yet he did.. Props for all the work he did!
Still that bm behaviour didnt do him a favour at all.
On April 27 2011 19:59 roman012 wrote: Sayle and JoeKim did a great job and were the main reason why this tournament turned so well.
that was very touching
but the real reason why this tournament turned out "well" would be the sponsors and Game's organization. if anything, Sayle brought viewers and helped in the revival of SC:BW with his contributions and coverage. it helped the community thrive as a whole, but in terms of ISL...ISL could have just been another tournament consisting of brackets, referees, and money.
On April 27 2011 22:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: hmm,he can speak korean,and u can see on his stream he train with semipro players and very gosu skill players of brainclan,also they can teach him and help aloot,for be korean,we dont have that ...
in reference to the matter of Scan being permitted to play, none of the points that were made have validity. here are some reasons why: anyone can learn korean and "talk to semipros" or train with them. that's not an issue of communication, that's an issue of connections. so if anyone gets proficient training from great players, they shouldn't be allowed to play? myself, michael(OD), and NrG.GoD are all korean. in retrospect, we could have done the same no? i actually know some non-Koreans that are extremely fluent and far better than myself at Korean. ToT)Mondragon( trained with koreans, regardless of not knowing the language. the argument has no basis. let's say Scan were to get banned from future events for your nonsensical theory and a random Canadian newbie decided to get lessons from Scan. does that mean that random Canadian newbie shouldn't be allowed to play? the last time Scan was intently into 1v1 Laddering was during his G4i days. then he transitioned into playing 2v2 mainly for the past few seasons and 1v1ing occasionally whenever his ally wasn't online or if he got bored and wanted to try a strat he saw on Proleague. the "no Koreans" rule in my eyes, was an effort to keep out the Courage level Koreans who cannot comprehend basic English and more than likely have insane ping. where does ISL draw the line? simple, Game's discretion. living in korea would be a big advantage to any player solely due to the exposure of SC:BW in their sports world. i'm not sure if i'll get chewed out for sharing this information, but Mongoliana was one of the questionable players because he has been living in Korea for a the past few years. why is this just surfacing now? why not during the Ladder Stage or even the Group Stage? now that Scan won the first ISL it's complete wahhhhhfest? don't get mad, get better. adapt & overcome.
So Canadians are NOOBS now? /RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Scan almost lost to Sziky anyway (game on medusa could have gone to sziky) so why does it matter if he is korean? The games still seem pretty close. IMO The reason why he won is probably because he played more than other people (maybe cause connections, maybe cause hes like 15 and has more time) but if you want to get better - just play more and research more and then you can avoid the problem of thinking he is better.
lol what makes you think I play more than 15games per day? Btw I don't play 1v1 nowadays. I play 2v2 more than 1v1 I can prove you by giving my autoreplay packet. When I start playing 2v2, I felt 2v2 needs good multitasks and fundamental becuz since I'm Terran I have to support my ally Zerg and you need good timing of clicking to split marines and medics when Protoss storms on your marines and medics. 2v2 is really damn hard for Terran becuz like what joekim said, I was 1v1 player but i started playing 2v2 when I joined G4i. 2v2 was hard becuz you always need timing understand opponents and ally so you can play the better build order or unit combination. 2v2 is most likely brain game(requires some good multitasks and good macro with 1-2 base). It's fun and I like it. Oh my point is getting way off.. Don't say it like that unless you know what I'm doing.
When did 15 games a day become a small number? In fact, that's holy shit amount of games unless you live in Korea.
when did draw[see] even say 15 games? lol he said that Scan is like 15 (subtext *years old*)
I think you're misunderstanding. I'm quoting Scan and only Scan alone, I don't care was Draw[See] said. Scan says 15 games, I say 15 games, the sky is blue.
On April 29 2011 10:42 Game wrote: I think you're misunderstanding. I'm quoting Scan and only Scan alone, I don't care was Draw[See] said. Scan says 15 games, I say 15 games, the sky is blue.
Yeah it's either my misunderstanding or JoeKim quoted the wrong post lol
lol... so proud, like "who's that infernal" huh? Lol, why this Scan didn't qualify for WCG himself when there was WCG, like infernal did, if he's so good. T_T That's soooo bm...
the showmatch was played. scan won 4-0. first game was a tvp on HBR. i missed most of it but it looked like scan had a significant macro advantage vs carriers from infernal. game 2 was scan getting zerg(random). pretty cool game but infernal was annoyed that he had to do a 1 base pvz build due to the random that scan played. game 3 infernal went random vs scan p. scan gas stole infernal. infernal gg'd instantly. game 4 was random infernal vs scan t. infernal got terran. tried a 1 base wraith/tank push. scan went 2 port expo. held with overhwhelming wraith numbers into a quick gg from infernal.
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~1000 USD per bitcoin --> ~25 000 USD for each of them. If they still have the bitcoins, that is Bubble or not, bitcoins are easily sellable for ~1k USD a piece at the moment.
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