• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:27
CEST 10:27
KST 17:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 224ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon315.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes38Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)99
StarCraft 2
General
TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 ZOWIE DIVINA preview Server Blocker StarCraft Mass Recall: SC1 campaigns on SC2 thread
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf Farewell Beloved Starcraft (Youtube Videos) ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8243 users

About smurfs on TSL

Forum Index > Razer TSL Forum
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 Next All
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
April 16 2008 00:14 GMT
#1
When I first read TSL rules there was written that no one would have been allowed to use smurf nicknames. Actually I think there's quite a few smurfs playing on TSL and some of them are also high ranked. Is anyone going to do anything about this?
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/hunter692007/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
jingXD
Profile Joined May 2007
United States283 Posts
April 16 2008 00:18 GMT
#2
Perhaps they are smurfs assigned by the staff?

+ Show Spoiler +
On March 30 2008 15:05 Plexa wrote:

You must create an account with your known ID in it. Do not take this request lightly. If we find out you have been smurfing in any way, you will be disqualified. If you are worried about which ID you should use or whether this rule applies to you, ask Manifesto7 via private message.

Since all accounts must be new, we recommend gamers use a TSL- tag with their name. Ex. TSL-Nony, TSL-FakeSteve. If you find someone else using your known name, PM Mani.

If you feel that not smurfing gives you an unfair disadvantage, you must appeal to Mani. We will then give you a predetermined smurf name. Failure to do this will lead to disqualification.

If you want to change names, you must inform us.

No exceptions.

aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
April 16 2008 00:19 GMT
#3
I'm sorry, I may have missed that rule actually I was debating with other TL players about this and it seems no one of us read that carefully.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/hunter692007/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
ATeddyBear
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Canada2843 Posts
April 16 2008 00:24 GMT
#4
[image loading]
Professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world’s first analrapist.
rANDY
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United Kingdom748 Posts
April 16 2008 00:26 GMT
#5
On April 16 2008 09:24 ATeddyBear wrote:
[image loading]



loooooooool
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
April 16 2008 01:07 GMT
#6
i love cookies too
ModeratorHi! I'm a .signature *virus*! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
Worked!
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada264 Posts
April 16 2008 01:12 GMT
#7
anyone who needs to smurf, = loser pussy oo;
~_~
JoMal
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
April 16 2008 02:38 GMT
#8
No-ones really looking at skew since he's playing under that smurf. Be he's constantly been top 16.Hmmmm....Skew may cause some upsets in this TSL, i think.
Oh you mad cause i'm stylin on you
Stegosaur
Profile Joined May 2007
Netherlands1231 Posts
April 16 2008 13:35 GMT
#9
On April 16 2008 10:12 Worked! wrote:
anyone who needs to smurf, = loser pussy oo;


Some people get dodged based on reputation, people are afraid of losing points
O_o
praetor.at
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Austria92 Posts
April 16 2008 13:52 GMT
#10
according to this reasoning, mondragon should have been smurfing. yet he didn't, and he's doing well
Coulthard
Profile Joined September 2005
Greece3359 Posts
April 16 2008 14:08 GMT
#11
I think I have to agree with worked here
Daveed
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States236 Posts
April 16 2008 16:02 GMT
#12
On April 16 2008 22:52 praetor.at wrote:
according to this reasoning, mondragon should have been smurfing. yet he didn't, and he's doing well


"some", not "all" people dodge.
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
April 16 2008 16:28 GMT
#13
Yeah, why should any of the top gamers get dodged more than the others? If there is a reason, it should at least be stated. Not very good on the transparency side this...
Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-16 16:35:58
April 16 2008 16:32 GMT
#14
I think smurf should not be allowed. All the well known gamers who play with their real AKA have a disadvantage for this so there is no reason to allow someone to use a smurf and someone not.

Some of the guys (i.e.:Cloud) also realized their replays to the community and this is a sign of transparency and fairplay.

Allowing smurfs (except for excellent and proved reson) is not fairplay.

In my opinion smurf shouldn't be allowed anymore in the future.

An option might be creating a list of all the smurf, available for consulting to the first 100-200 players in the TSL-ladder ranking. But in general i think that we have already enough fake and hackers in this community and don't need more.

Mondragon proved to anyone that if u are good, you don't need to HIDE. And he was maybe the only one with a decent reason to use a smurf (90% of the community watched tons of his replays!).

If he doesn't need smurf, none need.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36401 Posts
April 16 2008 16:43 GMT
#15
Everyone has the option of smurfing or not, so I don't see how it's unfair.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
April 16 2008 18:14 GMT
#16
The rules say you have to convince the staff you have justification for smurfing... smurfing on this is just weak and should not be allowed. It gives people who smurf an unfair ADVANTAGE if anything when 99% of all known/top players are using their real ID.
TheDarKo
Profile Joined March 2008
Sweden109 Posts
April 16 2008 18:18 GMT
#17
[image loading]
~: They made me do iT :~ (Fan of SlayerS_`BoxeR` & sAviOr)
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
April 16 2008 18:33 GMT
#18
On April 17 2008 01:43 Hot_Bid wrote:
Everyone has the option of smurfing or not, so I don't see how it's unfair.


Well, let's look at it from a logical perspective.

1) The condition for having a smurf is that it must be approved (means that a player should need/have a very valid reason for smurfing).

2) All the very top players (Mondragon, Draco, Testie) and really famous players too such as Nazgul, Eriador, and practically everyone, are using their real ID's.

3) Therefore, if all the top players are using their real ID's, and you can justifiably make the argument that every single player considered a "top player" can be found not smurfing the ladder, who could possibly have a valid reason to smurf ?

4) I would then conclude that because all the top players are using their real ID's, there really can't be a valid reason for anybody to use a smurf account.

Then, you can look at why most top players smurf on ladders in the first place.

1) Their reputation might make it hard to get games, 2) they want to game without being distracted by people messaging them. (I believe these are the two most likely reasons).

SO; since these are the reasons people smurf ladders, and it's already been established that anyone who would be significantly hampered by the above mentioned 1) and 2) are NOT smurfing... there really is no reason for ANYBODY to smurf on this ladder (or have valid reasons).

The ONLY exception I can really think of that justifies a smurf is 1) Someone with a bad reputation of hacking / cheating, trying to play the ladder to redeem their name/play in peace.

However, can you think of anyone that fits under this category? Mistrzzz and Haypro aren't smurfing and theyre the only names I could think of.

Overall conclusion: I can't fathom anybody having a valid reason to smurf this ladder other than the top players (who aren't smurfing anyways).

twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
April 16 2008 18:45 GMT
#19
Well it's ok I guess, everyone has his own reasons for smurfing. If everyone is allowed to do so by asking admins I don't think there's much to complain. If top players like Mondragon or Draco don't want to pick that option it doesn't necessary mean it's wrong :p
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/hunter692007/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
April 16 2008 19:15 GMT
#20
On April 16 2008 09:24 ATeddyBear wrote:
[image loading]


looooool
Moderator<:3-/-<
1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 33m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 186
Rex 66
StarCraft: Brood War
Hyuk 1383
Larva 902
Killer 306
Zeus 235
Leta 104
Mind 58
Aegong 47
soO 43
Free 42
scan(afreeca) 34
[ Show more ]
910 33
ZergMaN 29
Bale 22
yabsab 20
Sharp 18
GoRush 18
Yoon 1
League of Legends
JimRising 604
Counter-Strike
olofmeister766
Other Games
ceh9822
KnowMe105
RuFF_SC229
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick21151
StarCraft 2
TaKeTV374
Other Games
BasetradeTV213
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream73
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• OhrlRock 10
• LUISG 9
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota254
League of Legends
• Jankos1797
• Stunt270
Upcoming Events
GSL
2h 33m
Replay Cast
15h 33m
WardiTV Weekly
1d 2h
PiGosaur Cup
1d 15h
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
RSL Revival
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Heroes Pulsing #3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.