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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
April 16 2008 00:14 GMT
#1
When I first read TSL rules there was written that no one would have been allowed to use smurf nicknames. Actually I think there's quite a few smurfs playing on TSL and some of them are also high ranked. Is anyone going to do anything about this?
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jingXD
Profile Joined May 2007
United States283 Posts
April 16 2008 00:18 GMT
#2
Perhaps they are smurfs assigned by the staff?

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On March 30 2008 15:05 Plexa wrote:

You must create an account with your known ID in it. Do not take this request lightly. If we find out you have been smurfing in any way, you will be disqualified. If you are worried about which ID you should use or whether this rule applies to you, ask Manifesto7 via private message.

Since all accounts must be new, we recommend gamers use a TSL- tag with their name. Ex. TSL-Nony, TSL-FakeSteve. If you find someone else using your known name, PM Mani.

If you feel that not smurfing gives you an unfair disadvantage, you must appeal to Mani. We will then give you a predetermined smurf name. Failure to do this will lead to disqualification.

If you want to change names, you must inform us.

No exceptions.

aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
April 16 2008 00:19 GMT
#3
I'm sorry, I may have missed that rule actually I was debating with other TL players about this and it seems no one of us read that carefully.
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ATeddyBear
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Canada2843 Posts
April 16 2008 00:24 GMT
#4
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Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United Kingdom748 Posts
April 16 2008 00:26 GMT
#5
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
April 16 2008 01:07 GMT
#6
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Worked!
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada264 Posts
April 16 2008 01:12 GMT
#7
anyone who needs to smurf, = loser pussy oo;
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JoMal
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
April 16 2008 02:38 GMT
#8
No-ones really looking at skew since he's playing under that smurf. Be he's constantly been top 16.Hmmmm....Skew may cause some upsets in this TSL, i think.
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Stegosaur
Profile Joined May 2007
Netherlands1231 Posts
April 16 2008 13:35 GMT
#9
On April 16 2008 10:12 Worked! wrote:
anyone who needs to smurf, = loser pussy oo;


Some people get dodged based on reputation, people are afraid of losing points
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praetor.at
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Austria92 Posts
April 16 2008 13:52 GMT
#10
according to this reasoning, mondragon should have been smurfing. yet he didn't, and he's doing well
Coulthard
Profile Joined September 2005
Greece3359 Posts
April 16 2008 14:08 GMT
#11
I think I have to agree with worked here
Daveed
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States236 Posts
April 16 2008 16:02 GMT
#12
On April 16 2008 22:52 praetor.at wrote:
according to this reasoning, mondragon should have been smurfing. yet he didn't, and he's doing well


"some", not "all" people dodge.
Asta
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany3491 Posts
April 16 2008 16:28 GMT
#13
Yeah, why should any of the top gamers get dodged more than the others? If there is a reason, it should at least be stated. Not very good on the transparency side this...
Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-16 16:35:58
April 16 2008 16:32 GMT
#14
I think smurf should not be allowed. All the well known gamers who play with their real AKA have a disadvantage for this so there is no reason to allow someone to use a smurf and someone not.

Some of the guys (i.e.:Cloud) also realized their replays to the community and this is a sign of transparency and fairplay.

Allowing smurfs (except for excellent and proved reson) is not fairplay.

In my opinion smurf shouldn't be allowed anymore in the future.

An option might be creating a list of all the smurf, available for consulting to the first 100-200 players in the TSL-ladder ranking. But in general i think that we have already enough fake and hackers in this community and don't need more.

Mondragon proved to anyone that if u are good, you don't need to HIDE. And he was maybe the only one with a decent reason to use a smurf (90% of the community watched tons of his replays!).

If he doesn't need smurf, none need.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
April 16 2008 16:43 GMT
#15
Everyone has the option of smurfing or not, so I don't see how it's unfair.
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Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
April 16 2008 18:14 GMT
#16
The rules say you have to convince the staff you have justification for smurfing... smurfing on this is just weak and should not be allowed. It gives people who smurf an unfair ADVANTAGE if anything when 99% of all known/top players are using their real ID.
TheDarKo
Profile Joined March 2008
Sweden109 Posts
April 16 2008 18:18 GMT
#17
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
April 16 2008 18:33 GMT
#18
On April 17 2008 01:43 Hot_Bid wrote:
Everyone has the option of smurfing or not, so I don't see how it's unfair.


Well, let's look at it from a logical perspective.

1) The condition for having a smurf is that it must be approved (means that a player should need/have a very valid reason for smurfing).

2) All the very top players (Mondragon, Draco, Testie) and really famous players too such as Nazgul, Eriador, and practically everyone, are using their real ID's.

3) Therefore, if all the top players are using their real ID's, and you can justifiably make the argument that every single player considered a "top player" can be found not smurfing the ladder, who could possibly have a valid reason to smurf ?

4) I would then conclude that because all the top players are using their real ID's, there really can't be a valid reason for anybody to use a smurf account.

Then, you can look at why most top players smurf on ladders in the first place.

1) Their reputation might make it hard to get games, 2) they want to game without being distracted by people messaging them. (I believe these are the two most likely reasons).

SO; since these are the reasons people smurf ladders, and it's already been established that anyone who would be significantly hampered by the above mentioned 1) and 2) are NOT smurfing... there really is no reason for ANYBODY to smurf on this ladder (or have valid reasons).

The ONLY exception I can really think of that justifies a smurf is 1) Someone with a bad reputation of hacking / cheating, trying to play the ladder to redeem their name/play in peace.

However, can you think of anyone that fits under this category? Mistrzzz and Haypro aren't smurfing and theyre the only names I could think of.

Overall conclusion: I can't fathom anybody having a valid reason to smurf this ladder other than the top players (who aren't smurfing anyways).

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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
April 16 2008 18:45 GMT
#19
Well it's ok I guess, everyone has his own reasons for smurfing. If everyone is allowed to do so by asking admins I don't think there's much to complain. If top players like Mondragon or Draco don't want to pick that option it doesn't necessary mean it's wrong :p
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
April 16 2008 19:15 GMT
#20
On April 16 2008 09:24 ATeddyBear wrote:
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