i opened the recommended games. and i agree, interesting group. i hope stork makes it out of it. with flash gone, the chances are high for an interesting finals if not too many other top players drop out. i just pray we get saved from some stupid shit like a modesty vs hogil finals or a jd vs hydra finals. (jd vs yarnc 30 min bo5 finals anyone?)
This is an awful group for me to watch. It features three of my favorite players (Supreme Commander, Invisible Terran, and AverageZerg) - and a rookie, and you have to root for rookies, right? So here goes nothing.
Barring cheese, Stork ought to beat Light. Light is pretty good, but this is Stork's best matchup against Light's worst. RorO's ZvP is so poor most of the time I think I call sHy to win the match even with the map balance favoring Zerg.*
Stork should of course win any PvP against a rookie Protoss. I'll mention that it is a PvP so anything can happen - but after mentioning that I'll still take Stork to win with the 2-0 and advance.
This features both players in their best matchup, so it should be the game of the night. I'll be perfectly happy to see either player get out of the group, but I think Light is the better player overall, so he should win.
sHy has managed to lose not just a game, but an actual best of three to SaiR. Light's TvP, while his worst matchup, is still over 50%. If Light can't win this, he doesn't deserve to live play in the MSL - which he wouldn't.
* This is where I'm least confident. I think the same players would advance in the end, though: Stork > Light sHy < RorO Stork > RorO** Light > sHy Light > RorO
** If it gets here and Stork forgets how to play PvZ for a game, RorO might go through 2-0, leaving: Light > sHy, and a final rematch of set one, Stork vs Light - at which point all bets are off. I don't predict this, I'm just mentioning it.
For the record, I liquibet Stork and Light, so I'm standing on my predictions! Let's gooooo!
This is a pretty strong group. Stork is looking really good lately, Light is really good at two matchups and Roro is a pretty good zerg. sHy is the weakest player in the group by a lot.
My Predictions
Stork vs Light Lets not kid ourselves, this match is the best PvTer of all time vs a terran with mediocre TvP. Stork is the huge favorite in this game
sHy vs RorO Roro is a pretty high caliber player (hes the #4 zerg ELO after JD, Shine and Hydra if we don't count Effort since he is retired) and sHy is completely unproven. He beat 815 in a Bo3 during a prelim and beat Hyuk, so he does have a slight hope this match. Roro's ZvP isn't that great (he is 3-3 this season, though two of his losses come from Bisu and the other is from Kal) but I still think is the favorite.
Winner's Match Stork vs RorO Stork is the favorite, his PvZ is a lot stronger than Roro's ZvP. Roro still has a decent chance this game though.
Loser's match Light vs sHy As said above sHy lost to sair 2-0 in the OSL prelims. Even though Light's TvP is really bad he should win this.
Final game Light vs RorO This is a tough match to predict. Light and Roro are 3-2 in head to head (Light the greater number of wins) and Roro won their last match this season of PL. I give the edge to Light because his TvZ is fucking good, but Roro's ZvT is pretty good as well (66.67% win rate since the start of the season). This should probably be the best game in the group
Cautiously hoping Stork will advance, given the way MSL has gone so far...
Hopfully sHy steps up his game today and proves he can play, OZ needs another reliable player in PL (they haven't played him yet at all, which is puzzling given that they've played the van driver and Bee).
Light unpredictable as always, though a favourite to advance as well I guess.
Otherwise, I still hold a grudge against Roro for destroying my Fantasy anti-team a few seasons back...but not enough to actually root against him. MAY THE BEST PLAYER WIN!
Light > Stork Terran is 6-1 on Benzene. I predict Light finally gets his first win against Stork in this fifth attempt.
Shy > Roro
Light > Shy
Stork > Roro
Stork < Shy
Lol some Stork fan I am . Dunno why I am so pessimistic, just that he's usually worse in MSL I guess. Also I dunno anything about Dante's Peak so I could be way off on games 3 and 4.
On December 23 2010 17:03 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Light > Stork Terran is 6-1 on Benzene. I predict Light finally gets his first win against Stork in this fifth attempt.
Shy > Roro
Light > Shy
Stork > Roro
Stork < Shy
Lol some Stork fan I am . Dunno why I am so pessimistic, just that he's usually worse in MSL I guess. Also I dunno anything about Dante's Peak so I could be way off on games 3 and 4.
Man you sure have a lot of faith in this Shy guy and Light's vP o.O
light's scouting scv gets held up by stork's probe (good move) before it can get to stork's nat, stork's goon finishes off before it sees anything good
stork adding observatory
range finishes, 2 goons potshot at the bunker, but a tank is out
Stork obs before reaver. Incoming Vulture drop as slow vults approach the front. Stork is starting 3rd at bottom right, Drop is going for main I think. Oops its a tank with siege in that small ledge with 2 vults.
observer out, watches vultures lay a few mines on the NE high ground
did dropship fly over a pylon? stork's goons trying to respond - but light dropping units on stork's high ground - uh, why did light drop so far from the nat? the extra time he bought for himself there doesn't compare to the probe damage he could have done...
Stork failed with 2 base carrier vs. Flash on this map. Let's see if the best carrier microer of all time can take out Light with 3 base carrier. Oops missed a tank drop at the 3rd. Looks like probes got out but much mining time lost and stork really fucked up by blocking his goons with probes. Light securing a 4th. He better start making goliaths soon or he will get rocked. He's finally getting some turrets but he's gonna need upgraded goliaths to stop this even if he is getting a 5th up.... Stork is still on 3 bases he better do something.
Wait, why is stork in such bad shape? Carriers are almost out and light has no goliaths. I think stork could make it back. and his 4 min only is up and running!
Stork pushing with mass goons as Light tries to gete up 2 bases on Stork (Stork still only one carrier) looks like Light is playing well by using Stork's passive timing to expand and he's getting the gols so Light may be playing this out well.
Good vult harrass at Stork's would-be 5th. Here come carriers on undefended tanks. 3 carriers vs a few marines and a turret but lights doing okay and killing a lot with mines. Stork still pumping strong off 3 stargates. He's got archives now.
stork's reveal didn't do enough damage, light now has plenty of time to build up goliaths unless stork pulls off some great storms or transitions back to ground
Very strong transitioning here from Light. The map is bound to be split. The only way it doesn't go 50/50 is if stork gets 7 o clock. This bodes ill for the big bird, but few other than the Ultimate Weapon can handle his critical mass Carriers.
huge mine daebak as stork counterattacks light pulls back h is army to deal with it, has some units still attacking 12.5 meanwhile carriers hitting light's main
12.5 taken out some zealots killing scvs at top left carriers picking off factories in light's main stork has almost no ground army light taking out 5.5 zealots still fucking up scvs at top left bottom right going down as well
tanks at bottom right get cleaned up before they can take out the nexus light doesn't have a barracks so he can't rebuild his factories stork has this light gg's
Storks goons all die but he's camping factories. Light massacreing probes at 1 o clock but zealots killing scvs elsewhere. Light's main is basically sacced he's gonna have no production. Light is in big trouble. His top left expo is getting ruined by lots. Lights counter punch is strong but stork can take it out eventually and keeps his production. Stork's econ is getting rocked but I see no way Light will ever take out Carriers even if Stork is refugee toss. Light sees this too and GGs.
Fuck YEA!! Talk about decision making won him the game. Had stork been to passive there it probably would have been hard. But just going right for that main won him the game.
Light falls to 0-5 against Stork. Even a Terran-favored map cannot get him over this hurdle. Light did well with the drop to try to take advantage of the map's Terran-friendly cliff. However, Stork does well to use carriers on this map - it's looooong distance make the transition to carriers very survivable. Even if Terran sees 3 base carrier coming it is tough to deal with if you are not using the Flash build (fast armory to get mass upgraded goliaths). Few other than Flash can manage the mass goliaths vs. Stork's godly Carrier micro.
On December 23 2010 17:27 Zona wrote: Aw, I think Light should have contested that game a little longer...
I disagree, Stork had all his production facilities. Dark Templar took out Light's main army... so Light really had nothing since he had no production facilities. The camera showed him having to build a barracks since he didn't even have one to try to rebuild his factories! Sure Stork lost a lot of income but he still had some and Light was losing most of his - his upper left expo was rocked by zealots and goons did much to the 3rd/nat.
Wow...MSL Rewind top 1 and 2...commemorating Flash getting knocked out!
On December 23 2010 17:31 Ryo wrote: It's times like these when I wish MBC had a Terran coach.
It's times like these when I wish MBC had more money...
...to afford a better roster and staff, and to pay them better ...to be able to provide more equipment and stuff for their players ...to fight against CJ/OGN/Gretech ...etc.
The curse of being a public broadcaster, up against the giant CJ chaebol...
On December 23 2010 17:31 Ryo wrote: It's times like these when I wish MBC had a Terran coach.
It's times like these when I wish MBC had more money...
...to afford a better roster and staff, and to pay them better ...to be able to provide more equipment and stuff for their players ...to fight against CJ/OGN/Gretech ...etc.
The curse of being a public broadcaster, up against the giant CJ chaebol...
Which is why I support MBC no matter the results. Doing so much with little.
slow shuttle heading down the left of the map - heads PAST a few stupid scourge but slow shuttle is, well, slow and the scourge catch up and destroy it - I think there was templar inside
Bah so Stork have to go up against a zerg now. I know he has been doing better but the game vs Shine just sticks in my mind. So easy to fuck up against zerg.
On December 23 2010 17:55 purpose wrote: Bah so Stork have to go up against a zerg now. I know he has been doing better but the game vs Shine just sticks in my mind. So easy to fuck up against zerg.
What map is it and is it heavy zerg favoured?
Dante's Peak is pretty balanced. It's kinda like fs but it looks slightly different.
On December 23 2010 17:55 purpose wrote: Bah so Stork have to go up against a zerg now. I know he has been doing better but the game vs Shine just sticks in my mind. So easy to fuck up against zerg.
What map is it and is it heavy zerg favoured?
Dante's Peak is pretty balanced. It's kinda like fs but it looks slightly different.
On December 23 2010 17:55 purpose wrote: Bah so Stork have to go up against a zerg now. I know he has been doing better but the game vs Shine just sticks in my mind. So easy to fuck up against zerg.
What map is it and is it heavy zerg favoured?
Dante Peak, but no real info on it yet. However, given that roughly 90%+ of maps used nowadays are good for ZvP, it's probably looking bleak.
On December 23 2010 17:51 n.DieJokes wrote: fuck this map, looks ZvP imba
this game doesn't prove things one way or another...Shy's play hasn't exactly been stellar
hydraling attacking down towards 11 where Shy is taking his 3rd, unsuccessful
defilers out! a lot more lurkers morphing on the high ground to 11
It has nothing to do with this game, the map looks like fighting spirit but with an impossibly exposed third for toss
Ye, I was thinking the same thing. I see no real way for P to take a 3d on that map unless they already have a strong advantage or somehow have the Zerg pinned back
On December 23 2010 17:55 purpose wrote: Bah so Stork have to go up against a zerg now. I know he has been doing better but the game vs Shine just sticks in my mind. So easy to fuck up against zerg.
What map is it and is it heavy zerg favoured?
Dante's Peak is pretty balanced. It's kinda like fs but it looks slightly different.
On December 23 2010 17:55 purpose wrote: Bah so Stork have to go up against a zerg now. I know he has been doing better but the game vs Shine just sticks in my mind. So easy to fuck up against zerg.
What map is it and is it heavy zerg favoured?
Shine is the best ZvStorker in the world, and looking like he might be the 2nd best overall Zerg. Almost tied the record for consecutive wins (he got to 14, record is 16).
Why the fuck is the audio changing to the voice from those make your own shitty movies by just typing in the robot voice lines... why would you use that in your techno?
On December 23 2010 17:55 purpose wrote: Bah so Stork have to go up against a zerg now. I know he has been doing better but the game vs Shine just sticks in my mind. So easy to fuck up against zerg.
What map is it and is it heavy zerg favoured?
Dante's Peak is pretty balanced. It's kinda like fs but it looks slightly different.
On December 23 2010 17:55 purpose wrote: Bah so Stork have to go up against a zerg now. I know he has been doing better but the game vs Shine just sticks in my mind. So easy to fuck up against zerg.
What map is it and is it heavy zerg favoured?
Dante's Peak is pretty balanced. It's kinda like fs but it looks slightly different.
On December 23 2010 17:55 purpose wrote: Bah so Stork have to go up against a zerg now. I know he has been doing better but the game vs Shine just sticks in my mind. So easy to fuck up against zerg.
What map is it and is it heavy zerg favoured?
Shine is the best ZvStorker in the world, and looking like he might be the 2nd best overall Zerg. Almost tied the record for consecutive wins (he got to 14, record is 16).
Why the fuck is the audio changing to the voice from those make your own shitty movies by just typing in the robot voice lines... why would you use that in your techno?
On December 23 2010 18:01 pylonsalad wrote: I have a feeling Roro's going to beat Stork meaning one Stork or Light is not going to advance and that's a shame.
Roro only destroys PL liquibets and fantasy teams, I don't think he's going to ruin the MSL
On December 23 2010 18:01 pylonsalad wrote: I have a feeling Roro's going to beat Stork meaning one Stork or Light is not going to advance and that's a shame.
Yes that's sad, especially since Roro has no chance of beating Jaedong whatsoever.
On December 23 2010 17:55 purpose wrote: Bah so Stork have to go up against a zerg now. I know he has been doing better but the game vs Shine just sticks in my mind. So easy to fuck up against zerg.
What map is it and is it heavy zerg favoured?
Shine is the best ZvStorker in the world, and looking like he might be the 2nd best overall Zerg. Almost tied the record for consecutive wins (he got to 14, record is 16).
Why the fuck is the audio changing to the voice from those make your own shitty movies by just typing in the robot voice lines... why would you use that in your techno?
On December 23 2010 17:55 purpose wrote: Bah so Stork have to go up against a zerg now. I know he has been doing better but the game vs Shine just sticks in my mind. So easy to fuck up against zerg.
What map is it and is it heavy zerg favoured?
Dante's Peak is pretty balanced. It's kinda like fs but it looks slightly different.
Ah yes. Yeah that was one of the most balanced ever really. Nothing interesting about its design but it led to great games with great players. My favorite game I've watched on it was a game where Mondragon beat Sea (I think that was it).
On December 23 2010 17:55 purpose wrote: Bah so Stork have to go up against a zerg now. I know he has been doing better but the game vs Shine just sticks in my mind. So easy to fuck up against zerg.
What map is it and is it heavy zerg favoured?
Shine is the best ZvStorker in the world, and looking like he might be the 2nd best overall Zerg. Almost tied the record for consecutive wins (he got to 14, record is 16).
Why the fuck is the audio changing to the voice from those make your own shitty movies by just typing in the robot voice lines... why would you use that in your techno?
On December 23 2010 18:01 pylonsalad wrote: I have a feeling Roro's going to beat Stork meaning one Stork or Light is not going to advance and that's a shame.
On December 23 2010 17:55 purpose wrote: Bah so Stork have to go up against a zerg now. I know he has been doing better but the game vs Shine just sticks in my mind. So easy to fuck up against zerg.
What map is it and is it heavy zerg favoured?
Dante's Peak is pretty balanced. It's kinda like fs but it looks slightly different.
Ah yes. Yeah that was one of the most balanced ever really. Nothing interesting about its design but it led to great games with great players. My favorite game I've watched on it was a game where Mondragon beat Sea (I think that was it).
Wait Mondragon beat Sea? I gotta search for that game.
On December 23 2010 17:55 purpose wrote: Bah so Stork have to go up against a zerg now. I know he has been doing better but the game vs Shine just sticks in my mind. So easy to fuck up against zerg.
What map is it and is it heavy zerg favoured?
Dante's Peak is pretty balanced. It's kinda like fs but it looks slightly different.
Ah yes. Yeah that was one of the most balanced ever really. Nothing interesting about its design but it led to great games with great players. My favorite game I've watched on it was a game where Mondragon beat Sea (I think that was it).
I think that was earlier than fs but I'm not certain
ror gets 5 of his hydra cornered by zealots and destroyed - but mutas are revealed and start raining worms on the zealots
stork moves his zealots to attack both roro's nat and 3rd roro has mutas guarding his nat and hydra/muta at his 3rd - not enough hydra without micro - and only a few mutas
6 zealots live to attack his drones and buildings!
mutas now having a free dinner of speedlots, a couple split up and head into the nat which the mutas come to take care of while the speedlot group at the third is looking to get cleaned up too
Stork splits his army and sends Zealots to all of roro's bases! but unsure about how much damage they really did, mutas took them all out with out too much trouble.
stork transfers probes to 6 - there's a ling there - and more cracklings approach - 1 reaver there - killing lings and getting picked up as lings approach
sotrk holds the place - but scourge destroy the unaccompanied shuttle there
Roro with a huge plague! Gets most of storks main army. and then does it again. Roro has done well at keeping the sair count low all game long. Stork can't take a 5th with so many lings there.
Roro finally takes out the annoying reaver @ 6 and he finally has a massive amount of scourge to take care of the sairs, he sacs a bunch of lings to DTs
Stork's main army sandwiched between hydras and lurkers. Plagues are flying everywhere this game I don't think I've ever seen them used so much in ZvP.
Roro wins. Good play from both of them that game, but losing the shuttle and huge zealot army doomed stork. Stork should still get through unless something crazy happens in the final game
On December 23 2010 18:29 kdong90 wrote: I have to say i think this map is a bit imba for Z
Can't lose your dual reaver shuttle in that position.
he did the speedlot reaver 9 gate push play, Stats did it vs zero on oddeye, watch that game to see how it actually works out when you dont lose your shuttle with reavers :p
On December 23 2010 18:30 gostunv wrote: great game though! i still hope stork makes it through... hopefully this this isnt the season where any of Flash, JD, Stork dont play for the finals..
On December 23 2010 18:30 gostunv wrote: great game though! i still hope stork makes it through... hopefully this this isnt the season where any of Flash, JD, Stork dont play for the finals..
On December 23 2010 18:29 kdong90 wrote: I have to say i think this map is a bit imba for Z
Can't lose your dual reaver shuttle in that position.
he did the speedlot reaver 9 gate push play, Stats did it vs zero on oddeye, watch that game to see how it actually works out when you dont lose your shuttle with reavers :p
Yea Stork definitely could have won if he had those still, it's like mech trying to push without tanks hehe.
I still think going reaver was a bad idea. It seem to freaking har to keep reavers alive vs zerg and if you get 1 or 2 dud scarabs in a big fight its just so devastating.
On December 23 2010 18:33 Doraemon wrote: if only bisu could teach stork to pvz and stork can teach bisu to pvt.
If only Bisu could teach best how to not make Dohsairs and best teach Bisu to not stasis the front tanks....but we all know by now it hardly works that way =S.
On December 23 2010 18:33 Doraemon wrote: if only bisu could teach stork to pvz and stork can teach bisu to pvt.
If only Bisu could teach best how to not make Dohsairs and best teach Bisu to not stasis the front tanks....but we all know by now it hardly works that way =S.
it's not just bisu, but a lot of protoss i see keeps stasising front tanks, it really annoys me
On December 23 2010 18:33 Doraemon wrote: if only bisu could teach stork to pvz and stork can teach bisu to pvt.
If only Bisu could teach best how to not make Dohsairs and best teach Bisu to not stasis the front tanks....but we all know by now it hardly works that way =S.
On December 23 2010 18:35 bokchoi wrote: RorO could very well play Bisu, Kal, Really or Shine in the Ro16. Hopefully he plays either Bisu or Kal for an exciting match.
Just realized RorO's stats vs top P v Stork 2-0 v Kal 0-2 v Bisu 0-6
light adds a machine shop, his rax lights up again - vulture heading to shy's nat - a zealot runs back to hold the ramp and 2 goons finish off the vulture
shy takes his nat off one gate light takes his nat almost immediately after
oh, he places a nex anyways despite the mine - 3 vultures respond and potshot at the nex, goons take a hit vulture spots the slow shuttle on the way up!
Light playing really defensively, stopping all harass, Shy doing the wrong thing in continuing, needs to expand or something.... Light planning on the overwhelming macro victory.
Shuttle and dropship. friends for all eternity, they will never harm one another, despite the hatred between their races. It's like futuristic mech romeo&juliet
light has a massive minefield SE of his 3rd - but shy approaching from the east?
speed shuttle heads into the main - 2 turrets destroy the shuttle, reaver dropped next to the supply depots - 1 tank from dropship sieged to defend, and 3 vultures end the reaver tank is lost though
goons potshotting at the depots east of light's 3rd
Nice drop and vulture harass stops mining and takes out some probes, Light starts a 4th CC.
Light is slowly moving his tank line forward but I feel he needs to pour on the aggression at shy's bases, who does not seem to deal with them too well.
Vultures are around the map giving decent map control though
shy's army moving in response - zealot bombs doing quite a bit of damage actually light lands an emp on part of shy's army shy backs off - can't get a good flank
Wow Light pushing out and going really far but a nice emp albeit there was no arbiter around
light takes out the shuttle doing bombs and he is being super aggressive. shy starting a 5th. Ok stasis I guess but there is still a ton of tanks and not enough zealots
Light has made his way to the base @ 3 although shy is harassing 9 with 3 goons that finally gets cleaned up, also harassing 12 with 6 goons and some speedlots and that is about to get cleaned up as well while shy loses 3
shy with a small attack on 11.5 as well - interrupts another CC building there but light arrives with vultures and tanks, corners the goons and zealots
shy with a small army approaches 9 again, but spot vultures laying mines theree tries to send 2 zealots to defuse, doesn't work, and backs off
On December 23 2010 19:05 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Light is playing a decent game there although i cannot stand his silly face expression
Light's facial expression almost never changes ingame. Like, sometimes he raises an eyebrow, but that's about it.
Hahahah for real. Hella calm, unlike Sea, who is so expressive . They are like total opposites haha. I wonder if they are good friends or Not in real life!
On December 23 2010 19:05 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Light is playing a decent game there although i cannot stand his silly face expression
Light's facial expression almost never changes ingame. Like, sometimes he raises an eyebrow, but that's about it.
Hahahah for real. Hella calm, unlike Sea, who is so expressive . They are like total opposites haha. I wonder if they are good friends or Not in real life!
also , i'm pumped for this rematch.
Lol, yes, Sea never shuts up during a match for more then 10 seconds.
On December 23 2010 19:05 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Light is playing a decent game there although i cannot stand his silly face expression
Light's facial expression almost never changes ingame. Like, sometimes he raises an eyebrow, but that's about it.
Hahahah for real. Hella calm, unlike Sea, who is so expressive . They are like total opposites haha. I wonder if they are good friends or Not in real life!
also , i'm pumped for this rematch.
They are friends but not best friends. Although both seem to be very good friends with Hyun.
Edit: Actually Light is just 1 day older than Sea. But they are so different.
sorry for being a bit offtopic, but is it possible to get chrome adblock to block livestream ads? this "hallo hallo" ad by google is reaaaaaaally getting annoying :/
On December 23 2010 19:08 Lann555 wrote: Judging by Lights performance in this game vs Shy he has about 0% chance to beat Stork straightup. I kinda expect a cheesy play
Isn't triathlon a turtle terran's dream with 4 bases without even having to push out? I'm not sure Light can resist the temptation.
On December 23 2010 19:05 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Light is playing a decent game there although i cannot stand his silly face expression
Light's facial expression almost never changes ingame. Like, sometimes he raises an eyebrow, but that's about it.
Hahahah for real. Hella calm, unlike Sea, who is so expressive . They are like total opposites haha. I wonder if they are good friends or Not in real life!
also , i'm pumped for this rematch.
They are friends but not best friends. Although both seem to be very good friends with Hyun.
Edit: Actually Light is just 1 day older than Sea. But they are so different.
hyun is fucking hilarious, I love him hahahahahaaha
On December 23 2010 19:05 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Light is playing a decent game there although i cannot stand his silly face expression
Light's facial expression almost never changes ingame. Like, sometimes he raises an eyebrow, but that's about it.
Hahahah for real. Hella calm, unlike Sea, who is so expressive . They are like total opposites haha. I wonder if they are good friends or Not in real life!
also , i'm pumped for this rematch.
They are friends but not best friends. Although both seem to be very good friends with Hyun.
Edit: Actually Light is just 1 day older than Sea. But they are so different.
hyun is fucking hilarious, I love him hahahahahaaha
an scv gets revenge for its comrade and destroys the scouting probe
stork already has his 2nd gate and core spinning - light gets his scv past a goon and a zealot into stork's main, finished off by a goon before checking out the back nat though
light's first factory adds a shop, he starts a starport too
On December 23 2010 19:08 Lann555 wrote: Judging by Lights performance in this game vs Shy he has about 0% chance to beat Stork straightup. I kinda expect a cheesy play
Isn't triathlon a turtle terran's dream with 4 bases without even having to push out? I'm not sure Light can resist the temptation.
Ye, the map is great for that, but Light is so awfull at TvP mid/late game. I wondeer why he doesn't that the FBH approach and just does agressive 1-base play. He has sick micro in TvZ, so it should fit his style better
Carriers are pretty good on this map, trying to defend the back expo is a bitch, Stork has not started his third yet while Light's is finished, light moving out with a dropship
those wraiths only got 1 carrier? damaged the others a fair bit, but i think they only took down 1. that was a pretty huge investment for light, i'm not sure it paid off
On December 23 2010 19:30 Grobyc wrote: those wraiths only got 1 carrier? damaged the others a fair bit, but i think they only took down 1. that was a pretty huge investment for light, i'm not sure it paid off
light abandoning inner 1, moves back towards his nat - stork moving forwards with goons/carriers wraiths taking a lot of damage as they try to attack all wraiths gone!
light emphasised too much on the carriers and stork just stopped carrier production and went for pure goon and just rolled over light's meagre ground army
Light is so shockingly bad at this matchup. Gets up like 4 expos vs carriers which is impossible to defend especially when you only have like 3 factories. Evenn if he killed all the carriers, Stork could have probably overran him with just his goons
On December 23 2010 19:33 hacklebeast wrote: It's a sad day for MBC when Jaehoon is their only player in the OSL or MSL. Good thing I'm not a fan of them
Light got pretty unlucky here. Group played out as worse as it possible could for him. If Stork or Shy beats Roro, he is very likely to play a TvZ and move on
On December 23 2010 19:33 hacklebeast wrote: It's a sad day for MBC when Jaehoon is their only player in the OSL or MSL. Good thing I'm not a fan of them
Light got pretty unlucky here. Group played out as worse as it possible could for him. If Stork or Shy beats Roro, he is very likely to play a TvZ and move on
RIP Light
I blame Flash for putting Stork in Light's group. But Flash is out so.
On December 23 2010 19:32 Invictus wrote: light emphasised too much on the carriers and stork just stopped carrier production and went for pure goon and just rolled over light's meagre ground army
EDIT: and that corsair was pure LOL
the thing is stork didn't actually stop carrier production... light's ground army (both goliath, tank) was just tiny after 3 port wraiths and investing in his new expo he had very few factories for that point of the game
On December 23 2010 19:39 Ryo wrote: It might actually be better for Bisu to finish second in his group to face Roro in the next round. Winner plays Stork.
Yea its unfortunate, but this must have been flash's epic plan to eliminate all the good players
I think Light's biggest mistake that game was NOT realizing that Stork skipped obs totally for fast carriers. The whole dragoon not clearing mines thing should've tipped him off, as well as the corsair for scouting. I think he had a good chance to take out all the carriers if he gone out early. But he probably assumed that Stork has an ob or two and waited for critical mass.
That said, Stork's observer micro with carriers is just freaking amazing. I remember another game(on Troy?) where he faced wraiths and just destroyed it with godly observer micro. Too bad his obs are useless in PvZ though.
On December 23 2010 19:41 baubo wrote: I think Light's biggest mistake that game was NOT realizing that Stork skipped obs totally for fast carriers. The whole dragoon not clearing mines thing should've tipped him off, as well as the corsair for scouting. I think he had a good chance to take out all the carriers if he gone out early. But he probably assumed that Stork has an ob or two and waited for critical mass.
That said, Stork's observer micro with carriers is just freaking amazing. I remember another game(on Troy?) where he faced wraiths and just destroyed it with godly observer micro. Too bad his obs are useless in PvZ though.
Light is a TvP choker. It's not that he's incapable of playing good TvP but most of the time he just makes very costly decisions.
Ok so I went and actually did some work at the office, now I am back. I dont bother look at the result, could someone please just tell me what happend? Is stork in or did he fail?
On December 23 2010 19:39 Ryo wrote: It might actually be better for Bisu to finish second in his group to face Roro in the next round. Winner plays Stork.
Yea its unfortunate, but this must have been flash's epic plan to eliminate all the good players
On December 23 2010 19:45 purpose wrote: Ok so I went and actually did some work at the office, now I am back. I dont bother look at the result, could someone please just tell me what happend? Is stork in or did he fail?
On December 23 2010 19:39 Ryo wrote: It might actually be better for Bisu to finish second in his group to face Roro in the next round. Winner plays Stork.
Yea its unfortunate, but this must have been flash's epic plan to eliminate all the good players
karma is a merciless bitch, isnt it flash? ;-D
LOL well said i guess he just got a bit overconfident and dropped his guard
On December 23 2010 19:41 baubo wrote: I think Light's biggest mistake that game was NOT realizing that Stork skipped obs totally for fast carriers. The whole dragoon not clearing mines thing should've tipped him off, as well as the corsair for scouting. I think he had a good chance to take out all the carriers if he gone out early. But he probably assumed that Stork has an ob or two and waited for critical mass.
That said, Stork's observer micro with carriers is just freaking amazing. I remember another game(on Troy?) where he faced wraiths and just destroyed it with godly observer micro. Too bad his obs are useless in PvZ though.
Light is a TvP choker. It's not that he's incapable of playing good TvP but most of the time he just makes very costly decisions.
I admit I don't watch much of Light's TvP unless it's a big game. But it seems to me his TvP is the same god damn thing every time. Turtle, harass with some vultures, turtle some more, and move out. Meanwhile he lets the protoss expand everywhere.
If the protoss is good, then Light usually get pushed back and loses. If the protoss sucks, they usually just a-move into his tank line and Light wins. The style seems to be perfect for crappy players like shy, and worthless to good decision-makers like Stork.
On December 23 2010 19:41 baubo wrote: I think Light's biggest mistake that game was NOT realizing that Stork skipped obs totally for fast carriers. The whole dragoon not clearing mines thing should've tipped him off, as well as the corsair for scouting. I think he had a good chance to take out all the carriers if he gone out early. But he probably assumed that Stork has an ob or two and waited for critical mass.
That said, Stork's observer micro with carriers is just freaking amazing. I remember another game(on Troy?) where he faced wraiths and just destroyed it with godly observer micro. Too bad his obs are useless in PvZ though.
Light is a TvP choker. It's not that he's incapable of playing good TvP but most of the time he just makes very costly decisions.
I admit I don't watch much of Light's TvP unless it's a big game. But it seems to me his TvP is the same god damn thing every time. Turtle, harass with some vultures, turtle some more, and move out. Meanwhile he lets the protoss expand everywhere.
If the protoss is good, then Light usually get pushed back and loses. If the protoss sucks, they usually just a-move into his tank line and Light wins. The style seems to be perfect for crappy players like shy, and worthless to good decision-makers like Stork.
The times when he doesn't turtle, he usually wins. Unfortunately that is rarely. So aggressive against zerg but completely the opposite against toss. He needs to fix this.
Poor Light. Never had a chance. Stork is 18-2 now in his last 20 PvT. His best matchup is back to top form since he just goes carriers. Seriously the guy does not even care if you scout them, he will beat you anyway. And he does not only do it against the mediocre players but against everyone. The games of this group were very good I have to say. Shy pulled them down but other than that pretty good play from everyone.
On December 23 2010 20:44 luckybeni2 wrote: Stork is 18-2 now in his last 20 PvT. His best matchup is back to top form since he just goes carriers. Seriously the guy does not even care if you scout them, he will beat you anyway. And he does not only do it against the mediocre players but against everyone.
On December 23 2010 20:44 luckybeni2 wrote: Poor Light. Never had a chance. Stork is 18-2 now in his last 20 PvT. His best matchup is back to top form since he just goes carriers. Seriously the guy does not even care if you scout them, he will beat you anyway. And he does not only do it against the mediocre players but against everyone. The games of this group were very good I have to say. Shy pulled them down but other than that pretty good play from everyone.
I think what differentiates between Stork's carriers and other protoss' carriers is that he's much better at controlling his ground army at the same time. Stork's carrier PvT is always interesting because you see how he defends against the terran push with a smaller ground force. Attacking and withdrawing like guerrilla warfare. Using delay tactics with smaller forces, and attacking at enemy weak points. To me, that's much more epic than just watching armies collide and stuff dying.
Oh the bright side MBC fans, Flash got 0-2 of his group while Light got 1-2 of his. So that would technically make Light's performance in the MSL much more impressive.
Light was twice matched with an opponent that outclassed him(especially in PvT). Not that he did badly, he just got matched with someone he could not beat.
but flash was not easily upset, the chance for him getting upset in that group was pretty small. not that i agree with the jaedong is a lock theory, but when you are talking about "just as easily," you must attach a specific probability.
On December 24 2010 04:43 Release wrote: Well Jaedong has free reign over the OSL now that Light is out.
Unless Hogil beats him that is.
haha hogil ZvZ? this is more like a one sided game. Flash is out. now all i wish now is for him to be out of both individual leagues. This MSL is gonna be either a boring one or a interesting one. Roro yet again wins..
On December 24 2010 04:43 Release wrote: Well Jaedong has free reign over the OSL now that Light is out.
Unless Hogil beats him that is.
haha hogil ZvZ? this is more like a one sided game. Flash is out. now all i wish now is for him to be out of both individual leagues. This MSL is gonna be either a boring one or a interesting one. Roro yet again wins..
Hey we never thought that Ssak and Classic could do that to Flash too. And same with Hyuk (lol Hyuk ZvT?) and ZvZ is a very fragile matchup, maybe by some chance that Jaedong misclick once with his mouse and mess up a vital Scourge/Mutalisks confrontation and Hogil pulled a win out of that one, with Jaedong AND Flash gone from OSL, its Stork's for sure.
On December 24 2010 04:43 Release wrote: Well Jaedong has free reign over the OSL now that Light is out.
Unless Hogil beats him that is.
haha hogil ZvZ? this is more like a one sided game. Flash is out. now all i wish now is for him to be out of both individual leagues. This MSL is gonna be either a boring one or a interesting one. Roro yet again wins..
Hey we never thought that Ssak and Classic could do that to Flash too. And same with Hyuk (lol Hyuk ZvT?) and ZvZ is a very fragile matchup, maybe by some chance that Jaedong misclick once with his mouse and mess up a vital Scourge/Mutalisks confrontation and Hogil pulled a win out of that one, with Jaedong AND Flash gone from OSL, its Stork's for sure.
On December 24 2010 04:43 Release wrote: Well Jaedong has free reign over the OSL now that Light is out.
Unless Hogil beats him that is.
haha hogil ZvZ? this is more like a one sided game. Flash is out. now all i wish now is for him to be out of both individual leagues. This MSL is gonna be either a boring one or a interesting one. Roro yet again wins..
Hey we never thought that Ssak and Classic could do that to Flash too. And same with Hyuk (lol Hyuk ZvT?) and ZvZ is a very fragile matchup, maybe by some chance that Jaedong misclick once with his mouse and mess up a vital Scourge/Mutalisks confrontation and Hogil pulled a win out of that one, with Jaedong AND Flash gone from OSL, its Stork's for sure.
"The more things change the more they stay the same" is a pretty cliche saying, but it's true; carrier usage has been getting closer to pre-Flash build levels, which I find refreshing.
On December 25 2010 06:00 MarineHeroSamKhan wrote: Storks PvZ been okay, he roflstomped Jaedong and other okay zergs. He just isn't consistent.
With Stork's PvZ being merely "okay" and Bisu still getting pwned by Shine, Jaedong definitely has the edge against any P in a BoX. I also don't think Stork will have what it takes to beat any Zerg who makes it the finals or semifinals.
On December 25 2010 05:43 reincremate wrote: "The more things change the more they stay the same" is a pretty cliche saying, but it's true; carrier usage has been getting closer to pre-Flash build levels, which I find refreshing.
Well Protoss have gotten better at using them. Pre-flash build levels were that you go for reavers and then forcing the Terran to play a bit defensive and then go straight for carriers. At the moment, Protoss have been going have a sizable ground advantage, Terran is forced into choosing goliath or tanks, Stork is doing great with it, his carrier timing is just superb.
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