I guess there are some perks to totally procrastinating an assignment. Will be looking forward to some BW after 6 months of pretty much non-stop SC2. Some big names tonight, here's to hoping for some good games.
On November 12 2010 18:18 moopie wrote: Pure, Kal and fantasy should all advance. Baby has a chance, but not if Kal doesn't choke.
Kal rarely chokes before the ro8. He lost like 5ro8 and 1 or 2 ro4 lol. He's very good, but hasn't made a starleague final since GOMTV MSL S4
He has made a WCG final recently though.
He would have gotten away with the gold too, if it wasn't for that meddling kid.
Sigh. Being a Flash fan must be so easy.
We have deserved it though, after sticking with him throughout the dark period. For almost 2 years (between Bacchus and EVER) we fucking knew that the kid was the best SC player the world had ever seen, and still we would see him getting knocked out of Starleagues time and time again by players who were way inferior. So I think a bit of (well quite a lot of, actually :D) heaven after going through hell is well deserved. ^__^
Yay for non-mirrors! Hopefully we'll see some great games!
On November 12 2010 18:18 moopie wrote: Pure, Kal and fantasy should all advance. Baby has a chance, but not if Kal doesn't choke.
Kal rarely chokes before the ro8. He lost like 5ro8 and 1 or 2 ro4 lol. He's very good, but hasn't made a starleague final since GOMTV MSL S4
He has made a WCG final recently though.
He would have gotten away with the gold too, if it wasn't for that meddling kid.
Sigh. Being a Flash fan must be so easy.
Sigh. Judging others based on a team icon must be so easy. fyi I was cheering for smugtoss at the WCG finals.
I didn't mean to say anything about your preferences (a lot of people have KT icons for the legends like YellOw and Reach for example), it's just that basically everyone on STX keeps hurting us fans. Flash winning all the time kind of negates that problem.
The quality of the first game depends on the largely on the day perfomance of both ( they can play so horrible if they aren't in shape). Second game should be entertaining unless our Terran decides to Turtle like mad. Last game depends largely on the Zerg player to make it not a complete rapefest.
On November 12 2010 19:27 DoubIe_O wrote: The quality of the first game depends on the largely on the day perfomance of both ( they can play so horrible if they aren't in shape). Second game should be entertaining unless our Terran decides to Turtle like mad. Last game depends largely on the Zerg player to make it not a complete rapefest.
In my honest opinion, you should reverse predictions 1 and 3.
Modesty with another ling runby past the wall, after killing a probe that was blocking the hole. They die in the nat though before making it up into the main.
Pure attempting to push again with some zealots and an archon. Modesty has a lot of hydra though.
Pure attacking the nat, gets surrounded by hydras and then flanked from behind as well. Loses a few zealots as the rest of his forces retreat. Modesty pursues.
Mass hydras easily overpower Pure's ground army, and get to work on his wall. Zealots put up their last stand by the wall, but even with the cannons are easily overpowered.
Pure's archon was stuck outside his wall, blocked by zealots.
Pure finally moves the zealots out of the way, brings the archon in, but he has already lost a ridiculous amount of probes in his main. Mutas heading back home.
Pure attempted a +1 sppedlot attack, but it got deflected.
wow.. Pure just letting Modesty's economy run wild here. He's gonna get steamrolled in a bit without any HT's
and there's the GG. Pure was playing extremely passively. He just seemed to be doing random things which are deflected with ease by a little simcity or macroing a bit.
On November 12 2010 20:05 munchmunch wrote: Modesty was 30% vs P. Pure should have expected him to try something simple (ie. like hydra busts). Pretty disappointing play from Pure.
Thing is, it wasn't a hydra bust in the traditional sense. It wasn't anywhere near an all-in attack. Modesty just made hydras at a completely normal time, and Pure should have had some storms to deflect it. Instead, he made 2 archons, walked them into Modesty's army, and then its 36 hydras vs 2 cannons at Pure's nat. Pure just looked like he didn't know which matchup he was playing or something.
On November 12 2010 20:04 ComusLoM wrote: So apparently Modesty can play starcraft, who knew?
Well, when your opponent plays the way Pure did, it's hard to lose, even if you are Rock or Jaehoon or Modesty.
From his previous games (previous OSL game and zvz being the exception) I just assumed modesty appeared in booths randomly and rolled his head around the keyboard.
You know if the intro had someone like Boxer or Reach, it'd be pretty epic...but Flash still doesn't have that kind of presence yet, so it ends up being pretty lame overall, just lots of fast cuts and effects.
So far I've been liking MBCGame's intros this season more than Ongamenet's - both for the individual leagues and proleague.
On November 12 2010 20:14 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: As much as I'd like to see Kal's confidence destroyed before tomorrow's PL game, I think he's playing too well atm not to beat Baby.
Oh, two can play that game, when Fantasy fails spectacularly at TvZ.
On November 12 2010 20:14 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: As much as I'd like to see Kal's confidence destroyed before tomorrow's PL game, I think he's playing too well atm not to beat Baby.
Oh, two can play that game, when Fantasy fails spectacularly at TvZ.
Yeah, except what you said is more likely to happen Fantasy's last TvZ was just depressing - I think it was against Soulkey and he attempted to go bio. Attempted being the operative word.
Thing is, it wasn't a hydra bust in the traditional sense. It wasn't anywhere near an all-in attack. Modesty just made hydras at a completely normal time, and Pure should have had some storms to deflect it. Instead, he made 2 archons, walked them into Modesty's army, and then its 36 hydras vs 2 cannons at Pure's nat. Pure just looked like he didn't know which matchup he was playing or something.
Shuttle heads out with a reaver and a zealot. Lands at baby's nat. Dud scarab misses a tank, gets a second shot and takes out some scvs, but the shuttle and reaver both die.
Baby with some wraith harass in Kal's main. Spots the templar archives.
On November 12 2010 20:14 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: As much as I'd like to see Kal's confidence destroyed before tomorrow's PL game, I think he's playing too well atm not to beat Baby.
Oh, two can play that game, when Fantasy fails spectacularly at TvZ.
Yeah, except what you said is more likely to happen Fantasy's last TvZ was just depressing - I think it was against Soulkey and he attempted to go bio. Attempted being the operative word.
Edit: TvZ even.
Wouldn't be worried about it. Circuit Breaker is horrible for TvZ, it seems. Keep your head up, we'll own you without your confidence destroyed beforehand.
Baby knew Kal was going fast tech, probably saw the Templar Archives and still took so long to get detection. But even if he had a Comsat station, he wouldn't have enough scans to all the harass.
On November 12 2010 20:20 PineappleLumpsToss wrote:
On November 12 2010 20:18 mustaju wrote:
On November 12 2010 20:14 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: As much as I'd like to see Kal's confidence destroyed before tomorrow's PL game, I think he's playing too well atm not to beat Baby.
Oh, two can play that game, when Fantasy fails spectacularly at TvZ.
Yeah, except what you said is more likely to happen Fantasy's last TvZ was just depressing - I think it was against Soulkey and he attempted to go bio. Attempted being the operative word.
Edit: TvZ even.
Wouldn't be worried about it. Circuit Breaker is horrible for TvZ, it seems. Keep your head up, we'll own you without your confidence destroyed beforehand.
Wars have started over less mate
Here's to both teams going in at full strength, and may the best team (i.e. SKT) win.
Dropship arrives in Kal's base, but he is waiting for it since he saw it with the spotter pylon. 4 goons wait for the vultures, take them out. Still, about 4-5 probes died.
observer hugging the left edge of baby's main - there's a bunch of turrets there
1 dropship hitting the pylon at 9
despite the dropship flying over a pylon on its way - 2 vultures are dropped successfully into kal's main 2/3 kills before the waiting goons finish it off
baby not clearing the mines among his tanks... but his own 3rd at inner 2 up and running support bay getting shelled 2 wraiths moving forwards - but the shuttle is way back
3 wraiths now
huge huge zealot bomb kills 3 tanks at the bottom right
Kal using some Dts and dispatches a few tanks. Kal then attempts to flank baby from behind, again somewhat successfully, but baby has too many units there.
The siege on Kal's nat is halted only temporarily, until another tank arrives and sieges.
such incredible multitasking from baby, you can pretty much tell he learned from the tornado terran. props to kal for even staying in as long as he did
that reminds me of baby's terrific dropship/vulture play against hwasin a few OSLs ago - or his almost-wins against jangbi in GOM when he was just starting out. but this time it was combined with great game sense and macro
I can't believe how long Kal managed to survive after that drop+vultures killed so much stuff. Had he not lost so many Goons to random mines he might have pulled through in spite of Baby's almost flawless play.
kal blocking his nat ramp with a zealot but baby's scv goes in the other path - sees no nat and backs off before even running into a goon - ah a probe was holding kal's main ramp
On November 12 2010 20:54 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: I can't believe how long Kal managed to survive after that drop+vultures killed so much stuff. Had he not lost so many Goons to random mines he might have pulled through in spite of Baby's almost flawless play.
Baby would have had a much cleaner victory if he just scanned the obs. :/
Not scanning for obs when you make that many wraiths seems so weird and silly.
kal dismantles baby's push nicely with the assist of his carriers. +1 air weapons is done and he's back to pressuring baby's 3rd. reavers + shuttle assist carriers to fend off goliaths. very very nice kal.
pretty cheesy stuff from kal but he played it very effectively. hopefully baby isn't too discouraged by this, he's so streaky. game 2 was really colossal
It's very unfortunately one of them had to be eliminated this early.
I'm glad they played such a nice series, though. Looking forward to Kal's strategies further in the OSL. I absolutely LOVED his series against fOrGG. ^__^
Such abusive Toss play from Kal, I'm so pissed off. I hope he'll run into Flash eventually so I get so see him crushed when trying something like that. Terran vengeance is required, and Flash is the one to deliver it! >:F
On November 12 2010 21:12 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Nice to see somebody openly happy after a win. Great tactics by Kal for this Bo3. Really kept Baby guessing.
On November 12 2010 21:10 OpticalShot wrote: Good day for STX! Kal and Modesty are through!
I'm happy for Modesty because his win means that he is showing improvement. But I'm sick of Kal going carriers all the time.
Heheh, but i really like the Carriers + Reavers at Baby's 2nd nat O.O don't think i've ever seen that before. and yeah, kal doesn't really seem to go all out on marco with gateway units + arbs
On November 12 2010 21:12 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Nice to see somebody openly happy after a win. Great tactics by Kal for this Bo3. Really kept Baby guessing.
Nice job from the big man.
Umm wtf is that supposed to mean?
Anyways nice play by kal.
Not sure what was so hard to understand. If you thought I was being sarcastic I wasn't. It's just that pro-gamers are usually pretty reserved after a win, and personally I like to see them show a bit more emotion. Just my opinion ofc.
Frankly, I found the sheer amount of makeup on the girl disturbing.
The problem is that I saw videos of how much makeup can change a person's appearance by EXTREME degree. When I look at her eyes in that picture, I immediately get flashbacks.
On November 12 2010 21:16 purpose wrote: We all know that any game were protoss do not build only goons and zeal so that Terran can just push and win, is chees and lame play from protoss :-)
I don't know if you've seen Best play, but he's so good that he smashes Terrans just with infinite goon/zeal.
On November 12 2010 21:13 Red. wrote: so whats wrong about using carriers?
Sometimes it's a good talent toi have. Actually I was impressed with that game, especially with Baby barely having any goliaths.
Baby is to blame, he was way too late on his scan. What if Kal went arbiters? He would have no detection whatsoever.
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Kal would have arbiters ages before Baby got scan...rather stupid since it means you've basically contained yourself until you get scan and even then it would be pretty rough without vessels since your new scanners don't have much energy.
Not sure what Baby was thinking, you need constant detection to be able to move out in the late game and turtling normally never works unless the map is splittable and actually good at turtling/slow pushing.
On November 12 2010 21:10 538 wrote: Well, this was a particularly "abusive" series from Kal
what was the horang2 PvT checklist again?
[ ] Gas steal [x] Proxy buildings [ ] Fast DT [ ] 12 Nexus [x] 2-base carrier
I knew that Kal was only missing the gas steal, game 1 had fast DTs, while game two had 12 Nexus and the last game proxy robo + kinda two-base carriers.
Frankly, I found the sheer amount of makeup on the girl disturbing.
The problem is that I saw videos of how much makeup can change a person's appearance by EXTREME degree. When I look at her eyes in that picture, I immediately get flashbacks.
So damn true. Its just scary how make up make the ugliest girl a rly cute one. Not saying shes ugly, its just that make up is imba.
Frankly, I found the sheer amount of makeup on the girl disturbing.
The problem is that I saw videos of how much makeup can change a person's appearance by EXTREME degree. When I look at her eyes in that picture, I immediately get flashbacks.
well I think the other is prettier, this one is just a bit scary for me, these black eyes.
Frankly, I found the sheer amount of makeup on the girl disturbing.
The problem is that I saw videos of how much makeup can change a person's appearance by EXTREME degree. When I look at her eyes in that picture, I immediately get flashbacks.
Frankly, I found the sheer amount of makeup on the girl disturbing.
The problem is that I saw videos of how much makeup can change a person's appearance by EXTREME degree. When I look at her eyes in that picture, I immediately get flashbacks.
well I think the other is prettier, this one is just a bit scary for me, these black eyes.
Bad quality camera. If you look closely i think shes sporting large grey contacts.
Frankly, I found the sheer amount of makeup on the girl disturbing.
The problem is that I saw videos of how much makeup can change a person's appearance by EXTREME degree. When I look at her eyes in that picture, I immediately get flashbacks.
well I think the other is prettier, this one is just a bit scary for me, these black eyes.
Bad quality camera. If you look closely i think shes sporting large grey contacts.
All cell phone camera are average at best, plastics lens and all the compromises to fit everything in half an inch or less.
Fantasy warming up - let's not mess things up, yeah? This is Hyun you're playing against.
Baby tried too hard to hold 6, losing lots of goliaths to carriers (and REAVERS!) - I would have taken an eastern expo instead it's not as his econ was behind and he had to desperately hold the place
oh god i hope that fantasy loses, i just dont like him, and he is slumping hardcore and his TvZ decision making is horrifying (especially when he goes bio) maybe because boxer left? go hyun finish him!
BTW, in that picture Kal doesn't look like himself, weird.
That's Modesty -_-
#eh, why do I waste my post on something that was bound to be called out anyway. Oh well, no more posting until I figure out what to do with my 3000th.
BTW, in that picture Kal doesn't look like himself, weird.
That's Modesty -_-
#eh, why do I waste my post on something that was bound to be called out anyway. Oh well, no more posting until I figure out what to do with my 3000th.
Can't be Modesty, who would in the right mind want a picture with him? A ZvZ fanatic?
Even though I really dislike Fanta (he reminds me a lot of my brother when I wasn't so fond of him) he is closer to Jaedong's and Flash's level than anyone else. His TvT Bo5 against Flash in the semi-finals A of the last MSL was epic.
ahh, I wonder if it's mindgames - fantasy with a rine in his main roaming to make sure ol's done see, and has his walling rax not always producing rines
about 7 lurkers at hyuns' nat now? 1st vessel out make that 8 lurkers fantasy doesn't know how to micro against so many lurkers lots of lings joining too but 2 tanks are out - moving towards the 3rd
hyunk moves a ton of lurkers forwards to attack - they ALL die
On November 12 2010 21:39 Grobyc wrote: fantasy's bio control aint half bad this game. i think he been practicing
what? he let way too marines die early becouse they were crippled. his attack on the lurkers were quite ok tho. but hyun really fucked up that one attack.
Good play by Fantasy! Reminded me a bit of Flash vs Hero on HBR, the way he negated any aggression from the 2 Hatch Muta build by being aggressive himself. Really nice. ^__^
On November 12 2010 21:41 Garrl wrote: Fantasy didn't play all that well imo, Hyun just didn't tech to lurks fast enough and stayed on lair too long.
But he went 2 hatch so his economy was bad anyway and since fantasy went 4 rax pressure there was nothing hyun could do but continue to mass lair tech. If he tried to tech to hive he'd be short on units and be rolled over on the spot.
A very sloopy game by both sides, Fanta lost a ton of idle marine while Hyun let marines take free shots at his mutas, culminating in one of the ugliest lurker attack of all time.
I think Hyun would've been better just letting his 3rd get sacked and playing it off with 2-3 defilers - Fantasy wasn't teching AT ALL - he didn't have any vessels, so filers would've been incredibly potent.
On November 12 2010 21:39 Grobyc wrote: fantasy's bio control aint half bad this game. i think he been practicing
what? he let way too marines die early becouse they were crippled. his attack on the lurkers were quite ok tho. but hyun really fucked up that one attack.
well we'll never know for sure but it looked like fantasy did position his units in case the lurkerling rushed in - after all fantasy did see all the lurkers at hyun's nat just moments ago when he turned away and decided to siege the 3rd instead
but yeah fantasy did leave a lot of his rines early on alone/isolated where they were easily picked off still, an improvement is an improvement
no scv kills with the mutas, all gas dumped on lukers at the same time (no hive), flying over marines with move command mutas, no lings to hold the ground with those first lurkers... /cry
On November 12 2010 21:41 Garrl wrote: Fantasy didn't play all that well imo, Hyun just didn't tech to lurks fast enough and stayed on lair too long.
But he went 2 hatch so his economy was bad anyway and since fantasy went 4 rax pressure there was nothing hyun could do but continue to mass lair tech. If he tried to tech to hive he'd be short on units and be rolled over on the spot.
yep. games don't always play out with the same timings - you have to have enough stuff to not die before teching or expanding
On November 12 2010 21:39 Grobyc wrote: fantasy's bio control aint half bad this game. i think he been practicing
what? he let way too marines die early becouse they were crippled. his attack on the lurkers were quite ok tho. but hyun really fucked up that one attack.
well we'll never know for sure but it looked like fantasy did position his units in case the lurkerling rushed in - after all fantasy did see all the lurkers at hyun's nat just moments ago when he turned away and decided to siege the 3rd instead
but yeah fantasy did leave a lot of his rines early on alone/isolated where they were easily picked off still, an improvement is an improvement
Any A team progamer should be able to micro his marines like that and Fantasy's control vs those mutas was pretty horrible it's just he had the economy to continuously pump them while Hyun had to fight for his life
fantasy's bio control has been sub-"any a team progamer" - that's why it's notable hah
but it's good to see something different TvZ on pathfinder for once the map at least for now seems to be so good for mutas with such a short air distance
Its not trading "marines for mutas" when one player is giving you mutalisks for free. Half the time, Fantasy didn't have to do anything but press "T" to kill Hyun's mutalisks.
On November 12 2010 21:39 Grobyc wrote: fantasy's bio control aint half bad this game. i think he been practicing
what? he let way too marines die early becouse they were crippled. his attack on the lurkers were quite ok tho. but hyun really fucked up that one attack.
well we'll never know for sure but it looked like fantasy did position his units in case the lurkerling rushed in - after all fantasy did see all the lurkers at hyun's nat just moments ago when he turned away and decided to siege the 3rd instead
but yeah fantasy did leave a lot of his rines early on alone/isolated where they were easily picked off still, an improvement is an improvement
Any A team progamer should be able to micro his marines like that and Fantasy's control vs those mutas was pretty horrible it's just he had the economy to continuously pump them while Hyun had to fight for his life
fantasy's bio control has been sub-"any a team progamer" - that's why it's notable hah
but it's good to see something different TvZ on pathfinder for once the map at least for now seems to be so good for mutas with such a short air distance
Yea Fantasy's build was pretty clever for this map. A little blunt, and a little intuitive, but still quite clever. More subtle thinking than his trademark 1 of everything builds lol
just a few mutas arrive at the east of fantasy's main, taking a shot at the turret more come and they group up fantasy in good shape traps an scv behind a turret at his nat though?
and 2 of the 3 drones leaving the 3rd get picked off
first vessel on the way for fantasy mutas trying to pick off the last 3 rine/4 medic at 4.5 one lurker dies as it moves in and finally the group is vanquished
60 supply lead for Fanta, he is just being extra-careful. I still can't believe Fanta's TvZ winning rate in the last six months is 84%, he is nowhere near the level of Sea, Flash, Light or Leta.
swarm/lings cause the mnm to back off from attacking the hive a good plague on the mnm now they focus on the evo as lings finish them off the drop did nothing but stop mining another drop at hyuns' just-finished 4th nydus destroyed easily 3 new drones picked off, the hatch will probably fall
lurkerling moving towards fantasy's mnm midmap - no swarm?
quite a bit of mnm killed in that attack, plus 1 vessel but hyun lost his entire attack - not worth it when your opponent has more than double your supply
On November 12 2010 21:58 Caos2 wrote: 40 supply lead for Fanta, this is so over.
Welcome to the razerblad that is named TvZ
Only if Zerg gets to hive tech, otherwise Terran has the upper hand all the way. Unless Z has great muta micro or lurker control, of which Hyun has none.
On November 12 2010 22:08 Zona wrote: weird skt uniform policy - everyone's wearing the old uniform to individual leagues
It must be hard to decide between the ugly and the terribly ugly one. (hope noone gets offended, I really hate both uniforms, SKT has had great uniforms in the past.)
On November 12 2010 22:08 Zona wrote: weird skt uniform policy - everyone's wearing the old uniform to individual leagues
Lol I thought we saw the end of that eyesore
Except the new one is even worse? with a weird sorta-face on the front and very little T1 branding? I figure it ties in with a new cellphone ad campaign but by itself it's terrible.
On November 12 2010 22:08 Zona wrote: weird skt uniform policy - everyone's wearing the old uniform to individual leagues
It must be hard to decide between the ugly and the terribly ugly one. (hope noone gets offended, I really hate both uniforms, SKT has had great uniforms in the past.)
tell me about it. The old red ones (not the referee one), or the blue and white...those were the days.
Fantasy's games were downright creepy. It used to be that Terrans wouldn't charge head-first into an army of 7-8 burrowed Lurkers. But he did it a few times, and with no significant losses.
anyone know where i can find the hype video of either msl or osl from this year where it shows Nal_ra and reach and you hear "we feel your presence". Only thing else I remember from the video is that the music was orchestral.