Game 1: DT play Game 2: Quick "timing"push Game 3: Another short All-In Game 4: Nice timing window Game 5: Solid Victory Game 6: It happens like that Game 7: Solid PvP series.
On November 04 2010 17:04 thopol wrote: This is going to be off the chain. Kal to take it IMO, but it's a collection of solid players.
EDIT: Thanks Roffles. You da man
I don't think solid is the word I'd use to describe most of these guys. But it should be fun, anyway.
Stats Kal and Bisu are all in good form, while there are other players who have been good but haven't been putting up lately. Maybe I just mean big names...
Hopefully Bisu can continue his good early season form, though he's likely to have to win a couple of PvP's if he's going to go all the way. Added to that I think Kal has had his number recently.
Its frustrating when I am a individual league superstar for liquibet and get by somewhat through proleague, and lately all these individual league events have been 0 points because they weren't thrown up 48 hours in advance T.T if I go perfect again today i'll qq/wrists
On November 04 2010 17:35 ZlaSHeR wrote: Its frustrating when I am a individual league superstar for liquibet and get by somewhat through proleague, and lately all these individual league events have been 0 points because they weren't thrown up 48 hours in advance T.T if I go perfect again today i'll qq/wrists
I forgot to vote today, and yesterday I went 0/3 so I'm kind of happy lol
On November 04 2010 17:52 Holgerius wrote: That game... -__- How the fuck do you lose to that? Seriously? WHAT THE FUCK STATS?!?!?!?
its not that hard really
How is it not that hard? He scouted it and still reacted so slowly to what was going on. Being that far ahead there was no reason at all to delay building cannons for a single second. -__-
On November 04 2010 17:52 Holgerius wrote: That game... -__- How the fuck do you lose to that? Seriously? WHAT THE FUCK STATS?!?!?!?
its not that hard really
How is it now that hard? He scouted it and still reacted so slowly to what was going on. Being that far ahead there was no reason at all to delay building cannons for a single second. -__-
On November 04 2010 17:52 Holgerius wrote: That game... -__- How the fuck do you lose to that? Seriously? WHAT THE FUCK STATS?!?!?!?
its not that hard really
How is it not that hard? He scouted it and still reacted so slowly to what was going on. Being that far ahead there was no reason at all to delay building cannons for a single second. -__-
Zerglings and lurkers murder cannons pretty damn quickly. With Stat's low dragoon count and choice of build order, he was pretty much screwed anyway.
On November 04 2010 17:52 Holgerius wrote: That game... -__- How the fuck do you lose to that? Seriously? WHAT THE FUCK STATS?!?!?!?
its not that hard really
How is it now that hard? He scouted it and still reacted so slowly to what was going on. Being that far ahead there was no reason at all to delay building cannons for a single second. -__-
Well, maybe you'll stop overrating Stats now.
You know Flash has lost several games to lings in absolutely silly ways, such as Game 3 vs JD in WCG Korea. He's pretty bad, isn't he?
On November 04 2010 18:01 Fenrax wrote: Is there a reason why Midas refused to just lift the CC? It is not like he was producing SCVs... Glad to see greedy play getting punished once again.
On November 04 2010 18:01 Fenrax wrote: Is there a reason why Midas refused to just lift the CC? It is not like he was producing SCVs... Glad to see greedy play getting punished once again.
He was making scvs in that cc. What bugs me is why Midas didn't pull more scvs to defend when he moved his marines in... He could've defended.
On November 04 2010 17:52 Holgerius wrote: That game... -__- How the fuck do you lose to that? Seriously? WHAT THE FUCK STATS?!?!?!?
its not that hard really
How is it now that hard? He scouted it and still reacted so slowly to what was going on. Being that far ahead there was no reason at all to delay building cannons for a single second. -__-
Well, maybe you'll stop overrating Stats now.
You know Flash has lost several games to lings in absolutely silly ways, such as Game 3 vs JD in WCG Korea. He's pretty bad, isn't he?
On November 04 2010 17:52 Holgerius wrote: That game... -__- How the fuck do you lose to that? Seriously? WHAT THE FUCK STATS?!?!?!?
its not that hard really
How is it not that hard? He scouted it and still reacted so slowly to what was going on. Being that far ahead there was no reason at all to delay building cannons for a single second. -__-
Zerglings and lurkers murder cannons pretty damn quickly. With Stat's low dragoon count and choice of build order, he was pretty much screwed anyway.
It still annoys me to no end that he didn't react faster. Like, what was the point of delaying the cannons?
On November 04 2010 17:52 Holgerius wrote: That game... -__- How the fuck do you lose to that? Seriously? WHAT THE FUCK STATS?!?!?!?
its not that hard really
How is it now that hard? He scouted it and still reacted so slowly to what was going on. Being that far ahead there was no reason at all to delay building cannons for a single second. -__-
Well, maybe you'll stop overrating Stats now.
You know Flash has lost several games to lings in absolutely silly ways, such as Game 3 vs JD in WCG Korea. He's pretty bad, isn't he?
So you're not going to stop overrating Stats?
I'll continue to rate him for what he is; a chintastic baller who is definitely one of the best Tosses out there. ^__^
On November 04 2010 17:52 Holgerius wrote: That game... -__- How the fuck do you lose to that? Seriously? WHAT THE FUCK STATS?!?!?!?
its not that hard really
How is it now that hard? He scouted it and still reacted so slowly to what was going on. Being that far ahead there was no reason at all to delay building cannons for a single second. -__-
maybe because he didn't scout the lurkers, maybe he suspected a lurker drop not a lurker bust. In which case he needed to get his robo out asap. He scouted the 4 lurks, and only then did he throw down 3-4 cannons on top of the 2 that he had.
honestly i think if he pulled his zealots back faster, instead of all of them getting railed by lurkers for 2 shots. he could have delayed the attack for the next few cannons to warp in.
On November 04 2010 17:52 Holgerius wrote: That game... -__- How the fuck do you lose to that? Seriously? WHAT THE FUCK STATS?!?!?!?
its not that hard really
How is it now that hard? He scouted it and still reacted so slowly to what was going on. Being that far ahead there was no reason at all to delay building cannons for a single second. -__-
Well, maybe you'll stop overrating Stats now.
You know Flash has lost several games to lings in absolutely silly ways, such as Game 3 vs JD in WCG Korea. He's pretty bad, isn't he?
So you're not going to stop overrating Stats?
I'll continue to rate him for what he is; a chintastic baller who is definitely one of the best Tosses out there. ^__^
On November 04 2010 18:13 nayumi wrote: lol violet didn't even try did he?
Didn't look like it, seems like KT is adopting the "we don't give a fuck" attitude again.
was kinda a bo win for bisu.. he hit the right timing to punish the fast expansion and had sick scarabs. Better luck next time, nowe we have 2 zvps to go.
On November 04 2010 18:16 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: So, correct me if I'm wrong, but if Bisu beats Roro tonight then he'll have eclipsed his previous PvZ ELO record?
On November 04 2010 18:16 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: So, correct me if I'm wrong, but if Bisu beats Roro tonight then he'll have eclipsed his previous PvZ ELO record?
On November 04 2010 18:14 Roffles wrote: Yeah, OP spoilers are fine now.
Honestly, I read so much bitterness into your first post... I hope it's not a big deal
But i'm sad at the guy who tried the "yo dawg" reference.
Anyways. I think it looks ok now.
Yeah i hate seeing that kind of crap fill live report threads. Moderating is loose enough as it is with posting half the time, don't need to go over bored
I guess it'd probably be funny to see Roro win if only because Roro is so generic it would be a massive upset and Bisu losing would probably make Lightwip implode.
All I want is a decent game that aren't just all ins or BO wins to be honest.
On November 04 2010 18:14 Roffles wrote: Yeah, OP spoilers are fine now.
Honestly, I read so much bitterness into your first post... I hope it's not a big deal
But i'm sad at the guy who tried the "yo dawg" reference.
Anyways. I think it looks ok now.
I did, because I hate to click and click and click on 'main' and then separate spoilers. Why won't OP's just put all results into one spoiler? Also, while editing, you can select the text you want to put spoiler on and then click the button [s] - makes life easier.
On November 04 2010 18:14 Roffles wrote: Yeah, OP spoilers are fine now.
Honestly, I read so much bitterness into your first post... I hope it's not a big deal
But i'm sad at the guy who tried the "yo dawg" reference.
Anyways. I think it looks ok now.
I did, because I hate to click and click and click on 'main' and then separate spoilers. Why won't OP's just put all results into one spoiler? Also, while editing, you can select the text you want to put spoiler on and then click the button [s] - makes life easier.
On November 04 2010 18:14 Roffles wrote: Yeah, OP spoilers are fine now.
Honestly, I read so much bitterness into your first post... I hope it's not a big deal
But i'm sad at the guy who tried the "yo dawg" reference.
Anyways. I think it looks ok now.
I did, because I hate to click and click and click on 'main' and then separate spoilers. Why won't OP's just put all results into one spoiler? Also, while editing, you can select the text you want to put spoiler on and then click the button [s] - makes life easier.
Anyways, got warned for 'yo dawg'.
lol you got warned? interesting
Not that interesting. Memes are a bannable offense.
On November 04 2010 18:14 Roffles wrote: Yeah, OP spoilers are fine now.
Honestly, I read so much bitterness into your first post... I hope it's not a big deal
But i'm sad at the guy who tried the "yo dawg" reference.
Anyways. I think it looks ok now.
I did, because I hate to click and click and click on 'main' and then separate spoilers. Why won't OP's just put all results into one spoiler? Also, while editing, you can select the text you want to put spoiler on and then click the button [s] - makes life easier.
Anyways, got warned for 'yo dawg'.
lol you got warned? interesting
Not that interesting. Memes are a bannable offense.
core still spinning - range I guess mutas picking off some zealots - the archons/zealots head home while lings dying to another 4 zealots elsewhere on the map
2nd evo up for hyuk solid defense so far
drone sent to 2 - there's a zealot waiting to give it a present
2 templar sniped by mutas after throwing 3 desperate storm, one remains
bunch o lings run past goon/sairs as they kill an OL why not attack? now the lings attack when archon/zealots join the goons but they have crack now - killing a surprising amount of stuff but all dead now
Hyuk played quite well until that Muta suicide. Then he mentally collapsed once again and stopped doing anything that resembles the play of a progamer.
On November 04 2010 18:41 Fenrax wrote: Hyuk played quite well until that Muta suicide. Then he mentally collapsed once again and stopped doing anything that resembles the play of a progamer.
indeed.
that point really gave kal the initiative - and then came the ling suicides/lack of appropriate defense against an opponent who suddenly had air dominance
kal sending his goons across one of bisu's bridge, but bisu's forces are there and he wisely backs off
bisu taking his 2nd gas
shuttle/obs for kal moving around north of bisu's nat - but bisu's obs is there too and bisu's goons respond kal takes this opportunity to moves his own goons across the bridge - unwise - he loses two of them before backing off
bisu with observatory coming - bisu's shuttle flies into kal's main - kal's response very slow - kal instead using 2 reavers to break bisu's nat - bisu losing tons of goons
edit: i was cheering for the wrong guy throughout the game. i just realized that bisu lost when noone leaves the booth after the game. now, bisu is green not purple.
bisu's observer sees kal take his nat kal's shuttle moving out bisu leaving 4 goons in his main kal drops the reaver in bisu's main but picks it up as his shuttle takes shots
kal attacking bisu's nat but bisu has a reaver there kal loses 2 goons before backing off lots of his stuff is red too
On November 04 2010 19:56 _Quasar_ wrote: is that GSL window being added on the bottom right the "agreement" between ip owners and MBC to not ban MSL broadcast yet? *_* Just wondering.
kal cancels his 4th - and doesn't even use his observer to finish off the dt? it came and then left but the dt swipes at kal's army to get their attention and the observer comes back
That was a great game. Very long, with both players pulling ahead at different times. Super clutch defense by Kal at a couple of occasions. High level PvP.
didnt watch whole game but bisu's army composition was kinda strange, was he low on gas or what? that many zeals vs even 1 reaver,hts and like 2 archons in opponent's army was suicide
He was the aggressor in that final set and Bisu was just playing too reactionary. I agree that he blundered by not playing with HTs - those storms in the last three battles really made the difference.
Bisu was trying to overwhelm Kal with a bigger army because Kal was so set on getting a third expansion, but Kal was ahead in the later battles because of better army composition (reavers + HTs) and Bisu couldn't beat Kal with his reavers + low-tech army.
On November 04 2010 20:08 Taosu wrote: Excuse me but what do the results of this wildcard tourney affect? Will we see players who lost today in future matches?
yes we will basically Kal, who won today's tournament, gets to skip a round in the coming MSL/survivor
On November 04 2010 20:07 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Grats to Kal.
He was the aggressor in that final set and Bisu was just playing too reactionary. I agree that he blundered by not playing with HTs - those storms in the last three battles really made the difference.
Bisu had no other choice but to be passive - map positions allowed Kal to drop and harass Bisu's main, while KTY hasnt got such an option because if he was to harass Kal in some way he had to go all the way around the map - stuff like that happened a lot on maps like Tau Cross in the past or Medusa lately. Thats why I would assume both players choose their scouting paths in the beginning, on 3 players maps is almost always like A>B>C>A positional wise for PvP
Kal played well and deserved that. Bisu seemed sloppy.
To bad because I think Bisu could do much more with that seed then Kal will. On the other hand Bisu is more likelly to pull off from a unseeded position then Kal is so maybe this is a good thing for the protoss :-)
On a side note. Lol at being warned for typing GG in this topic when the game was not over. There are so many things people are typing that can indicate that the game is over when its not, just like GG.
So if GG gives warn tl.net have alot of warning to do.
Its not like I sad, Bisu GGs. I just stated that this game is over for Bisu since Kal is so ahead.
On November 04 2010 20:07 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Grats to Kal.
He was the aggressor in that final set and Bisu was just playing too reactionary. I agree that he blundered by not playing with HTs - those storms in the last three battles really made the difference.
Bisu had no other choice but to be passive - map positions allowed Kal to drop and harass Bisu's main, while KTY hasnt got such an option because if he was to harass Kal in some way he had to go all the way around the map - stuff like that happened a lot on maps like Tau Cross in the past or Medusa lately. Thats why I would assume both players choose their scouting paths in the beginning, on 3 players maps is almost always like A>B>C>A positional wise for PvP
yep, yep - you would expect the map makers to learn...
On November 04 2010 20:07 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Grats to Kal.
He was the aggressor in that final set and Bisu was just playing too reactionary. I agree that he blundered by not playing with HTs - those storms in the last three battles really made the difference.
Bisu had no other choice but to be passive - map positions allowed Kal to drop and harass Bisu's main, while KTY hasnt got such an option because if he was to harass Kal in some way he had to go all the way around the map - stuff like that happened a lot on maps like Tau Cross in the past or Medusa lately. Thats why I would assume both players choose their scouting paths in the beginning, on 3 players maps is almost always like A>B>C>A positional wise for PvP
Hmmm...interesting point disciple. Cheers for the explanation.
On November 04 2010 20:07 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Grats to Kal.
He was the aggressor in that final set and Bisu was just playing too reactionary. I agree that he blundered by not playing with HTs - those storms in the last three battles really made the difference.
Bisu had no other choice but to be passive - map positions allowed Kal to drop and harass Bisu's main, while KTY hasnt got such an option because if he was to harass Kal in some way he had to go all the way around the map - stuff like that happened a lot on maps like Tau Cross in the past or Medusa lately. Thats why I would assume both players choose their scouting paths in the beginning, on 3 players maps is almost always like A>B>C>A positional wise for PvP
yep, yep - you would expect the map makers to learn...
3players maps are the best concept imo. just look at the stats on Tau Cross - the only real problem is the PvP
On November 04 2010 20:07 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Grats to Kal.
He was the aggressor in that final set and Bisu was just playing too reactionary. I agree that he blundered by not playing with HTs - those storms in the last three battles really made the difference.
Bisu had no other choice but to be passive - map positions allowed Kal to drop and harass Bisu's main, while KTY hasnt got such an option because if he was to harass Kal in some way he had to go all the way around the map - stuff like that happened a lot on maps like Tau Cross in the past or Medusa lately. Thats why I would assume both players choose their scouting paths in the beginning, on 3 players maps is almost always like A>B>C>A positional wise for PvP
yep, yep - you would expect the map makers to learn...
3players maps are the best concept imo. just look at the stats on Tau Cross - the only real problem is the PvP
Or they could just put all the main mineral lines sticking to the map border like on Longinus. Leaving a huge space in a base and not in the others doesn't make sense. I can't blame Kal for abusing it, but that's definitely what threw Bisu off this game.
On November 04 2010 20:07 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Grats to Kal.
He was the aggressor in that final set and Bisu was just playing too reactionary. I agree that he blundered by not playing with HTs - those storms in the last three battles really made the difference.
Bisu had no other choice but to be passive - map positions allowed Kal to drop and harass Bisu's main, while KTY hasnt got such an option because if he was to harass Kal in some way he had to go all the way around the map - stuff like that happened a lot on maps like Tau Cross in the past or Medusa lately. Thats why I would assume both players choose their scouting paths in the beginning, on 3 players maps is almost always like A>B>C>A positional wise for PvP
yep, yep - you would expect the map makers to learn...
3players maps are the best concept imo. just look at the stats on Tau Cross - the only real problem is the PvP
Or they could just put all the main mineral lines sticking to the map border like on Longinus. Leaving a huge space in a base and not in the others doesn't make sense. I can't blame Kal for abusing it, but that's definitely what threw Bisu off this game.
Its not the placement of the mineral lines that is the problems, its the shorter fly distance from your natural to their main and hence quicker way back to defend that is the problem. While your opponent has to fly all around the map to harass your main, with no quick way back to defend if needed. Like you can drop their main as you see their force move out, and still be in time back at your natural with your reavers to defend.
This is why I dislike Kal. He beats other people to get a good spot in tournaments, but you know he's never gonna do anything with it. Bisu actually has a chance to go far if he could get his mojo back. Whereas Kal never had any mojo.
On November 04 2010 20:07 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Grats to Kal.
He was the aggressor in that final set and Bisu was just playing too reactionary. I agree that he blundered by not playing with HTs - those storms in the last three battles really made the difference.
Bisu had no other choice but to be passive - map positions allowed Kal to drop and harass Bisu's main, while KTY hasnt got such an option because if he was to harass Kal in some way he had to go all the way around the map - stuff like that happened a lot on maps like Tau Cross in the past or Medusa lately. Thats why I would assume both players choose their scouting paths in the beginning, on 3 players maps is almost always like A>B>C>A positional wise for PvP
yep, yep - you would expect the map makers to learn...
3players maps are the best concept imo. just look at the stats on Tau Cross - the only real problem is the PvP
Or they could just put all the main mineral lines sticking to the map border like on Longinus. Leaving a huge space in a base and not in the others doesn't make sense. I can't blame Kal for abusing it, but that's definitely what threw Bisu off this game.
Its not the placement of the mineral lines that is the problems, its the shorter fly distance from your natural to their main and hence quicker way back to defend that is the problem. While your opponent has to fly all around the map to harass your main, with no quick way back to defend if needed. Like you can drop their main as you see their force move out, and still be in time back at your natural with your reavers to defend.
I totally agree about that, it's even the major issue, but mapmakers can't do anything about it, it's inherent to any 3 players map. But if there had been a very small space between the cliff and the mineral lines this space could have been filled with some buildings + goons by the defender and it would not be as easy to abuse it. Poor Bisu looked totally helpless there.
But Kal played great, especially the second set, so ggs !
On November 05 2010 00:14 nozaro33 wrote: KT players in slump?? NOOOOOOO~~~
But, but you have to be good to go into a slump in the first place
Ouch. Seems a bit unfair. As for the Kal Mojo, he might well place high in the tournament. There's a first time for everything, and beating effort might have been just what was needed for him to actually win something.
On November 05 2010 00:08 Slow Motion wrote: This is why I dislike Kal. He beats other people to get a good spot in tournaments, but you know he's never gonna do anything with it. Bisu actually has a chance to go far if he could get his mojo back. Whereas Kal never had any mojo.
Like Bisu is actually going to go anywhere. Out of this group Kal is the only one capable of getting to the semifinals, and Kal on his A game is not lacking in mojo.
On November 05 2010 07:24 Lightwip wrote: Well, at least we'll see a few more Bisu games. Kal's probably going to choke and lose to a weak zerg(or Jaedong) anyways.
On November 05 2010 07:24 Lightwip wrote: Well, at least we'll see a few more Bisu games. Kal's probably going to choke and lose to a weak zerg(or Jaedong) anyways.
Like Bisu with Shine in EVER OSL?
Yo, Shine did some gay stuff to Bisu, that's acceptable but Kal can't beat Jaedong even when its fighting head on a standard game!
On November 05 2010 02:05 night terrors wrote: Teamliquid so inconsistent. A few days ago Bisu was a hero now he's a zero?
Jesus christ.
no, T1 fans aren't here to fuel the tide of bisu fanboyism. and a large ratio of non-t1 fans are bisu anti-fans.
I WILL FEED ON BISU ANTI-FAN TEARS AT THE END OF THIS OSL./MSL >:D
We can only hope and dream mate. Time will tell. Though I've seen some positive signs from Bisu so far this season he's still got a ways to go with his PvP, and ofc work to do with his PvT.
I think Bisu's an easy target for haters given that he has a lot of fans, is a bit of a pretty boy, and has been as close to a Toss bonjwa as anybody (tall poppy syndrome).
Kal deserved his win, and a number of strong Toss players can only be a good thing for BW.
If LOTF doesn't boost Kal to S-Class, I don't know what will. I want him to become S-Class though, starting (ideally) by beating down Jaedong.
At any rate, it's somewhat relieving and yet unsettling to see Bisu being handed his first loss(es). Hopefully it won't affect him too much in the long run since T1 needs him now more than ever, especially with FanTaSy in a slump. T1 relies hardcore on an ace player.
On November 05 2010 07:24 Lightwip wrote: Well, at least we'll see a few more Bisu games. Kal's probably going to choke and lose to a weak zerg(or Jaedong) anyways.
Like Bisu with Shine in EVER OSL?
Yo, Shine did some gay stuff to Bisu, that's acceptable but Kal can't beat Jaedong even when its fighting head on a standard game!
Lol There are less than 4 people right now who could beat jaedong in a standard game.
Bisu's fine guys he went 1-2 against Kal of all people, maybe the top toss around these days. He's not going to be able to win every game and this wasn't that important of a tournament. 9-2 since the new season started is a ridiculous record.
On November 05 2010 12:38 Nick_54 wrote: Bisu's fine guys he went 1-2 against Kal of all people, maybe the top toss around these days. He's not going to be able to win every game and this wasn't that important of a tournament. 9-2 since the new season started is a ridiculous record.
Definitely this, Bisu is coming back on top, but let's not forget that Kal is A++ class too. It was a good series.
Bisu fans so hard on Kal. Yeah, Kal always loses to the Dong and Flash, but everyone does right now. If Bisu were so good he wouldn't be 2-5 vs Kal in 2010. Bisu is decent I'll give him that but people hating on Kal for him beating Bisu seriously need to get their heads checked, Kal is one of the top 3 toss if not top toss right now.
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Kal < Circuit Breaker > 
hero
Midas < Aztec > 
