[OSL] Semi-Final B free vs Flash - Page 59

On September 03 2010 23:04 Letmelose wrote:


Let's assume for the sake of argument that it is literally impossible for terrans to win against 12 pool into 2 hatchery mutalisks if you play standard on Dreamliner. Say Flash decides to take the risk of pushing out before medics despite the the fact that it is an unneccessary risk on maps that is less taylor-made for mutalisk harass. In fact, let us pretend that Flash deemed that taking that risk was the only way to have a decent chance of winning on Dreamliner.

If a player reads that and simply crushes Flash with a two hit combination of speed lings and a delayed mutalisk harass, would you stop blaming the map because speed ling harass was not what was imbalanced about the map? Not me. I believe that the number of options available for a certain player plays a great part in the balance of the map because it results in difference in the level of difficulty in anticipating what your opponent will do.

Flash had an innate advantage over Jaedong because of the nature of the map pool that not only had various elements favouring terrans, but because the guessing game between the two was tilted before the game even began. The timing pushes he chose against Jaedong were carefully selected in maps where Flash believed that Jaedong would leave himself vulnerable in order to increase his chances of winning against the most potent terran play style on that map. Notice how Jaedong played conservatively against Flash's powerful bionic pressure on Fighting Spirit. He knew he could afford to play conservatively on this map. He also knew that playing conservatively on some of these maps would drastically reduce his chances of winning.

Flash read Jaedong like a book. However, I want to ask yourself this. Assume that all five matches of the MSL finals was to be played on Fighting Spirit. Would it have been that easy for Flash to anticipitate Jaedong's every move? A map where Jaedong feels comfortable enough to go spawning pool first (probably with the thought that it was a build order win against the two extremes of terran play, the early rax pressure and no rax into cc, and a build order disadvantage against standard play he feels he has a chance of recovering from)?

Don't fool yourself. The nature of the map pool in any series play a huge part.

On September 03 2010 23:24 Scaramanga wrote:

Does flash have to respond how you say on dreamliner? He can do a multitude of things to counter what he thinks is comming. But say flash does do what you say and a player counters it compleatly and wins right off that, yes this has come about from the map and the nature of play that has arised over the games played and flash trying to put himself into the best position to win, but for flash, especially flash who is the number one player in the world to not take this possibiliy into account and plan for it is a joke. A player never goes into a match with a set build order that they will not defer from, so no flash does not have to respond how you say is most likely on dreamliner.

Thats why im saying the maps didn't play as much as a role in flash's two wins as people are saying. If flash decides to push out before medics on dreamliner and jd has gone mass ling and crushes flash, i will say flash was retarded for not scouting this and changing what he is doing, i hold the same opinion for jaedong on polaris for both games.

On September 04 2010 00:03 Letmelose wrote:


I'm afraid we'll have to disagree on this issue then. I don't follow how anyone can be said to be above the limitations set by certain aspects of a map, whether it is through game play or the mental advantage it gives to one player when it comes to the guessing game.