On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote: In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke.
after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that
Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.
hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens
Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.
So abusing a clearly defeated opponent for your ego is good manners? Doing that after losing 2 straight-up games is just bad taste. He's not getting a friend in Light and he's not getting a fan in me either. Jaedong should put his competitiveness in perspective.
I don't think Jaedong really cares about getting a friend in Light.
And "abusing"? That's going a bit far. Queens were part of his strategy; they were there for both shock value and for actual game-play value (cut in half how long it takes to kill a CC).
And it worked.
The way you put it, it's like you'd hate every trashtalker that ever existed in the history of sports.
There's no way in hell you can expect competitors to always remain mannered towards each other.
I wouldn't say the queens were abusing anything, but early ling cheese/agression 2times was overboard.
On August 21 2010 15:47 Holgerius wrote: Great, so now both sides are whining. ''Stupid Zergs and their cheesy ling all-ins''. ''Well, screw you and your gay mech imba''.
You have to understand it's Early game vs Late game....
Players aren't obligated to play out into late game.
On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote: In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke.
He won the 2 macro games. Lost the 3 early aggression games (1 of which was at least entertaining). I wasn't satisfied though. Light is a tvz specialist, I wanted to see dong take him on in macro games (just as I would flash vs skyhigh/best). JD did have a few good macro games vs Sea though.
On August 21 2010 15:49 DatTheMighty wrote: To all the newbs complaining about jaedongs play please watch this game
a better terran woulda won in light's situation (I.E. Flash). lights been around these leagues since the dinosaur age if hes any good he woulda made a final long ago. focusing all your energy doing ur own strategy and not contemplating what the opponent is doing doesnt make you a winning player. Notice how in game 3 jaedong did a fake hydra all in? light had jack shit and didn't even bother putting up a bunker, jaedong prolly thought how dumb of him to fake when he woulda prolly won doing what he was trying to fake lol. light had it coming to him in the ace match, the series vs kwanroll a couple of seasons back where he loss to like all in ling rushes i dont know how many times taught him nothing.
The thing I don't quite fancy is Arnc <<<<<<<<<<<< JD.
Flash's maphack isn't %100 foolproof. He lost to carriers vs Kal today. Still, I want Jaedong to cheese and watch him get shut down in humiliating fashion. I think double-infesting Light pushed me over the brink to being an anti-fan. I already dislike Free.
On August 21 2010 15:47 Holgerius wrote: Great, so now both sides are whining. ''Stupid Zergs and their cheesy ling all-ins''. ''Well, screw you and your gay mech imba''.
You have to understand it's Early game vs Late game....
Players aren't obligated to play out into late game.
That's what I'm saying, Zerg can just win in the midgame. While early aggression = no avoid.
On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote: In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke.
after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that
Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.
hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens
Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.
So abusing a clearly defeated opponent for your ego is good manners? Doing that after losing 2 straight-up games is just bad taste. He's not getting a friend in Light and he's not getting a fan in me either. Jaedong should put his competitiveness in perspective.
I don't think Jaedong really cares about getting a friend in Light.
And "abusing"? That's going a bit far. Queens were part of his strategy; they were there for both shock value and for actual game-play value (cut in half how long it takes to kill a CC).
And it worked.
The way you put it, it's like you'd hate every trashtalker that ever existed in the history of sports.
There's no way in hell you can expect competitors to always remain mannered towards each other.
I wouldn't say the queens were abusing anything, but early ling cheese/agression 2times was overboard.
But Flash turtling his way through every other TvZ in the past few months isn't? He even had to resort to exploiting late game mech against lesser zergs like s2.
On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote: In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke.
after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that
Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.
hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens
Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.
So abusing a clearly defeated opponent for your ego is good manners? Doing that after losing 2 straight-up games is just bad taste. He's not getting a friend in Light and he's not getting a fan in me either. Jaedong should put his competitiveness in perspective.
I don't think Jaedong really cares about getting a friend in Light.
And "abusing"? That's going a bit far. Queens were part of his strategy; they were there for both shock value and for actual game-play value (cut in half how long it takes to kill a CC).
And it worked.
The way you put it, it's like you'd hate every trashtalker that ever existed in the history of sports.
There's no way in hell you can expect competitors to always remain mannered towards each other.
I wouldn't say the queens were abusing anything, but early ling cheese/agression 2times was overboard.
...on Polaris Rhapsody.
3 of the 5 sets were played on maps (Polaris, Odd-Eye, and Polaris) that FUCK ZERG IN THE ASS late-game. It's not really surprising that JD played aggressively in all of those sets, particularly when Light played greedy in all of those sets.
On August 21 2010 15:52 Savant wrote: Flash's maphack isn't %100 foolproof. He lost to carriers vs Kal today. Still, I want Jaedong to cheese and watch him get shut down in humiliating fashion. I think double-infesting Light pushed me over the brink to being an anti-fan. I already dislike Free.
On August 21 2010 15:49 DatTheMighty wrote: To all the newbs complaining about jaedongs play please watch this game a better terran woulda won in light's situation (I.E. Flash). lights been around these leagues since the dinosaur age if hes any good he woulda made a final long ago. focusing all your energy doing ur own strategy and not contemplating what the opponent is doing doesnt make you a winning player. Notice how in game 3 jaedong did a fake hydra all in? light had jack shit and didn't even bother putting up a bunker, jaedong prolly thought how dumb of him to fake when he woulda prolly won doing what he was trying to fake lol. light had it coming to him in the ace match, the series vs kwanroll a couple of seasons back where he loss to like all in ling rushes i dont know how many times taught him nothing.
...Please. You could say there IS no better terran than Light and you wouldn't be far from the truth. Him or Flash. If Light loses, then there's a damn good chance Flash would too. Light is no TvZ failure.
a better terran woulda won in light's situation (I.E. Flash). lights been around these leagues since the dinosaur age if hes any good he woulda made a final long ago. focusing all your energy doing ur own strategy and not contemplating what the opponent is doing doesnt make you a winning player. Notice how in game 3 jaedong did a fake hydra all in? light had jack shit and didn't even bother putting up a bunker, jaedong prolly thought how dumb of him to fake when he woulda prolly won doing what he was trying to fake lol. light had it coming to him in the ace match, the series vs kwanroll a couple of seasons back where he loss to like all in ling rushes i dont know how many times taught him nothing.
The thing I don't quite fancy is Arnc <<<<<<<<<<<< JD.
Yarnc ZvT was amazing back in the days. And this games is a classic example how to defend against 2-hatch all-in.
On August 21 2010 15:52 Savant wrote: Flash's maphack isn't %100 foolproof. He lost to carriers vs Kal today. Still, I want Jaedong to cheese and watch him get shut down in humiliating fashion. I think double-infesting Light pushed me over the brink to being an anti-fan. I already dislike Free.
On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote: In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke.
after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that
Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.
hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens
Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.
So abusing a clearly defeated opponent for your ego is good manners? Doing that after losing 2 straight-up games is just bad taste. He's not getting a friend in Light and he's not getting a fan in me either. Jaedong should put his competitiveness in perspective.
I don't think Jaedong really cares about getting a friend in Light.
And "abusing"? That's going a bit far. Queens were part of his strategy; they were there for both shock value and for actual game-play value (cut in half how long it takes to kill a CC).
And it worked.
The way you put it, it's like you'd hate every trashtalker that ever existed in the history of sports.
There's no way in hell you can expect competitors to always remain mannered towards each other.
I wouldn't say the queens were abusing anything, but early ling cheese/agression 2times was overboard.
But Flash turtling his way through every other TvZ in the past few months isn't? He even had to resort to exploiting late game mech against lesser zergs like s2.
Like i said it's a transition you can't expect the terran to be aggressive all the time with bio and lose late game to ultra + swarm + crackling.
On August 21 2010 15:52 Savant wrote: Flash's maphack isn't %100 foolproof. He lost to carriers vs Kal today. Still, I want Jaedong to cheese and watch him get shut down in humiliating fashion. I think double-infesting Light pushed me over the brink to being an anti-fan. I already dislike Free.
Wait... Jaedong's use of Queen's made you dislike Jaedong?
When Stork dominates Effort with Scouts, are you going to hate Stork?
When Leta defeats Flash and then Free with mass lockdown, are you going to hate Leta?
a better terran woulda won in light's situation (I.E. Flash). lights been around these leagues since the dinosaur age if hes any good he woulda made a final long ago. focusing all your energy doing ur own strategy and not contemplating what the opponent is doing doesnt make you a winning player. Notice how in game 3 jaedong did a fake hydra all in? light had jack shit and didn't even bother putting up a bunker, jaedong prolly thought how dumb of him to fake when he woulda prolly won doing what he was trying to fake lol. light had it coming to him in the ace match, the series vs kwanroll a couple of seasons back where he loss to like all in ling rushes i dont know how many times taught him nothing.
The thing I don't quite fancy is Arnc <<<<<<<<<<<< JD.
Yarnc ZvT was amazing back in the days. And this games is a classic example how to defend against 2-hatch all-in.
1 thing diffrent from what i saw in these two games were that arnc didn't really push trough with his lings when he had a fair number of them and pass the bunker, while jd used his zerglings even before mutas came out.
On August 21 2010 15:46 FireGuyX wrote: heh those early cheesy aggression tactics won't work on Flash.
Is that why Effort and Jaedong combined beat Flash in 4 Bo5s primarily with early aggression?
But Flash did beat Jaedong in the last MSL, if I'm not correct?
True Flash has lost to early zerg aggression, most notably to Effort, but that was more about Effort winning the mind games, not simple basic mechanics like not walling-in properly or not putting a bunker in the natural. Flash does everything Light does except better, although Light does have excellent mid to late game TvZ. Flash will force Jaedong to play mid-late game.
On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote: In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke.
after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that
Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.
hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens
Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.
So abusing a clearly defeated opponent for your ego is good manners? Doing that after losing 2 straight-up games is just bad taste. He's not getting a friend in Light and he's not getting a fan in me either. Jaedong should put his competitiveness in perspective.
I don't think Jaedong really cares about getting a friend in Light.
And "abusing"? That's going a bit far. Queens were part of his strategy; they were there for both shock value and for actual game-play value (cut in half how long it takes to kill a CC).
And it worked.
The way you put it, it's like you'd hate every trashtalker that ever existed in the history of sports.
There's no way in hell you can expect competitors to always remain mannered towards each other.
I wouldn't say the queens were abusing anything, but early ling cheese/agression 2times was overboard.
what's wrong with early ling aggression? it's the terran's fault for skimping out on defense
On August 21 2010 15:52 Savant wrote: Flash's maphack isn't %100 foolproof. He lost to carriers vs Kal today. Still, I want Jaedong to cheese and watch him get shut down in humiliating fashion. I think double-infesting Light pushed me over the brink to being an anti-fan. I already dislike Free.
If this is your outlook you're eventually going to hate every single progamer.
On August 21 2010 15:52 Savant wrote: Flash's maphack isn't %100 foolproof. He lost to carriers vs Kal today. Still, I want Jaedong to cheese and watch him get shut down in humiliating fashion. I think double-infesting Light pushed me over the brink to being an anti-fan. I already dislike Free.
Wait... Jaedong's use of Queen's made you dislike Jaedong?
When Stork dominates Effort with Scouts, are you going to hate Stork?
When Leta defeats Flash and then Free with mass lockdown, are you going to hate Leta?
It was hard to tell if it was bm or actually making light suffer like crazy, Mutas with +1 upgrade is practically no match for a bundle of goliaths. I also saw jd have 4 bases by the 8min mark? :/
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