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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
August 21 2010 06:36 GMT
#1701
I think people are just angry about the early aggression (which was totally light's fault he didn't defend) because they want long epic games. And because the series ending was so underwhelming.

You gotta do what you gotta do to win...
Writer
rockon1215
Profile Joined May 2009
United States612 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 06:37:04
August 21 2010 06:36 GMT
#1702
On August 21 2010 15:34 Kazius wrote:
You know what guys? If this series teaches ME something, it is that EffOrt is equal to JD in everything but his "aura". People are afraid of JD and hence do dumber stuff in hopes of catching him off-guard, but when both are faced with an opponent that they can't out-manage, they become Kwanro. I kinda liked JD before this series, but his game style once he doesn't go for his sexy management game is like Shine's... a player worthy of loathing and nothing more.

... talk about disillusionment.
Jd has a golden mouse, 2 MSL golds and a WCG gold. He deserves his aura

EDIT: as does Flash and Bisu (aura diminishing, but still)
Flash v Jaedong The finals that is ALWAYS meant to be
snowdrift
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France2061 Posts
August 21 2010 06:36 GMT
#1703
On August 21 2010 15:33 Creationism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:32 snowdrift wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:29 DarkMatter_ wrote:
I love how all the Terrans call zergs cheesy if they beat the Terran before he can amass his imba mech army. Late game ZvT is nearly impossible on Polaris Rhapsody, so why shouldn't the zerg be allowed to use early aggression to end the game before it gets to that point?


It's "Dirty Zerg"! Zerg has to play a standard, by-the-books macro game and roll over to Terran 14cc/mech on crap maps otherwise they're cheesy. Even if they're reacting to the opponent or aren't all-in (JD was only all-in in the last game), any whiff of early aggression is suspect.

When both of the games that went into end game were won by the other player, you start suspecting whether the player is trying to avoid the endgame.


That's not even in question. He was obviously trying to end it early.
NaDa. Our Lord and sAviOr shall return. Learn to nydus you scrub
ZavikZyke
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States382 Posts
August 21 2010 06:36 GMT
#1704
To those who tuned in late this is what happened

+ Show Spoiler +
Game 1
Light is reading TL threads and sees that 14 CC is IMBA. So he 14ccs
Jaedong doesnt give a damn and decides to go speedling bust.
Light GGs
I dont recommend

Game 2
Light wisen ups and goes 1 rax fe
Jaedong goes 3 hatch but fails with his muta controls and light gets to the point of 4 base terran vs 4 base zerg. this game becomes uber epic with BCs. Light plays an S class game and wins
Watch it

Game 3
Light attempts 14cc but Jaedong has gosu drone micro and delays it. He then proceeds with a 3 hatch hydra bust. The bust is somewhat successful. For some reason, jaedong backs off and decides to go standard vs mech. Jaedong drops and swarms, but fails to mech. GG (at this point, the thread became another imba talk)
Watch it

Game 4
Jaedong goes mad at infests 2 ccs. Jaedong has more ccs than light. Light GGs.
At this point, I wont be wearing clean pants tomorrow

Game 5
Jaedong decides to end this quick with a 2 hatch mutaling all in. (he cuts drones at his nat)
Dont recommend

Hoejja is Bonjwa
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
August 21 2010 06:37 GMT
#1705
I have a feeling Jaedong will get 0-3 by Flash again.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
August 21 2010 06:37 GMT
#1706
On August 21 2010 15:33 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:30 flamewheel wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:29 tbrown47 wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:24 ZavikZyke wrote:
mr flamewheel i am expecting an epic writeup XD

I'll try my best. I'm sorry I haven't been around much.


*slap* get on the internet more!

Sorry, uni


you smell of gay

but yeah seriously university --> more time on work/socializing, less time on the internet i hope?

Hopefully... same goes to you.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
August 21 2010 06:38 GMT
#1707
I wonder if we could get a TvZ series that doesn't even involve 1 cheese in the finals
When there's Flash there's a way.
l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
August 21 2010 06:38 GMT
#1708
On August 21 2010 15:30 Warrior Madness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:29 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:27 IntoTheWow wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:27 J1.au wrote:
Jaedong did what he had to do to win, and I respect that. Unfortunately this kind of stuff won't fly against Flash, he will come in prepared as hell for early aggression and I honestly don't see Jaedong winning. But, what do I know? Flash versus Jaedong, round 3, fight!


Tell that to EffOrt!



JD isn't really the type to 4/5 pool imo.


Tell that to Hwasin. And then tell that to Hwasin once again.


then to fantasy.
Writer
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
August 21 2010 06:38 GMT
#1709
On August 21 2010 15:34 Kazius wrote:
You know what guys? If this series teaches ME something, it is that EffOrt is equal to JD in everything but his "aura". People are afraid of JD and hence do dumber stuff in hopes of catching him off-guard, but when both are faced with an opponent that they can't out-manage, they become Kwanro. I kinda liked JD before this series, but his game style once he doesn't go for his sexy management game is like Shine's... a player worthy of loathing and nothing more.

... talk about disillusionment.


Effort couldn't amount to JD's ballsweat, that is the difference between the two players. JD is better in every matchup, unconditionally. Keep crying, JD is the only zerg who can compete with the best terrans late game. Which other zerg would have beat Sea in a bo5, then beat Light in a bo3 and bo5? I don't think there is another one.
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
August 21 2010 06:39 GMT
#1710
On August 21 2010 15:34 Kazius wrote:
You know what guys? If this series teaches ME something, it is that EffOrt is equal to JD in everything but his "aura". People are afraid of JD and hence do dumber stuff in hopes of catching him off-guard, but when both are faced with an opponent that they can't out-manage, they become Kwanro. I kinda liked JD before this series, but his game style once he doesn't go for his sexy management game is like Shine's... a player worthy of loathing and nothing more.

... talk about disillusionment.


Yeah that ''aura'' which brought him 5 Starleague titles.
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
shadesofkarma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Romania708 Posts
August 21 2010 06:39 GMT
#1711
Hopefully Light girl didn't see him
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Cheeseburgered
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States716 Posts
August 21 2010 06:39 GMT
#1712
damn... jaedong wins but set 5 was supposed to be epic

oh well ;_;
CJ Entusman #58 | Gogogo Stats
darkmetal505
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States639 Posts
August 21 2010 06:39 GMT
#1713
On August 21 2010 15:34 Kazius wrote:
You know what guys? If this series teaches ME something, it is that EffOrt is equal to JD in everything but his "aura". People are afraid of JD and hence do dumber stuff in hopes of catching him off-guard, but when both are faced with an opponent that they can't out-manage, they become Kwanro. I kinda liked JD before this series, but his game style once he doesn't go for his sexy management game is like Shine's... a player worthy of loathing and nothing more.

... talk about disillusionment.



Hi, I'm going to hand you the game by not building a bunker and having a shitty wall. Do you really expect me to sit around and not take advantage of this? These players play to win and are under no obligation to go into a drawn out macro game for your pleasure.
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
August 21 2010 06:39 GMT
#1714
On August 21 2010 15:38 l10f wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:30 Warrior Madness wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:29 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:27 IntoTheWow wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:27 J1.au wrote:
Jaedong did what he had to do to win, and I respect that. Unfortunately this kind of stuff won't fly against Flash, he will come in prepared as hell for early aggression and I honestly don't see Jaedong winning. But, what do I know? Flash versus Jaedong, round 3, fight!


Tell that to EffOrt!



JD isn't really the type to 4/5 pool imo.


Tell that to Hwasin. And then tell that to Hwasin once again.


then to fantasy.



Like i said, I understand if 4/5 pool means for revenge. :l
When there's Flash there's a way.
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
August 21 2010 06:39 GMT
#1715
why is everyone bashing zergs for early aggression >.< Effort understood that early aggression was the key to victory in the OSL, and JD understood it here >.< I mean, its not like JD and Effort didn't attempt to play lategame, they did, and they lost. It's not like they were gonna just keep using a tactic that didn't work, come on. They did what was necessary to win. Everyone gives aggressive zergs crap for being cheesy, and is no difference that zergs crying about mech imba.

Ready to take crap for this comment lol
Jaedong and Baby
rockon1215
Profile Joined May 2009
United States612 Posts
August 21 2010 06:40 GMT
#1716
On August 21 2010 15:37 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:33 ]343[ wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:30 flamewheel wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:29 tbrown47 wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:24 ZavikZyke wrote:
mr flamewheel i am expecting an epic writeup XD

I'll try my best. I'm sorry I haven't been around much.


*slap* get on the internet more!

Sorry, uni


you smell of gay

but yeah seriously university --> more time on work/socializing, less time on the internet i hope?

Hopefully... same goes to you.
Real life is not, and should never be, appreciated on TL. This is the holy grail of the nerd kingdom.
Flash v Jaedong The finals that is ALWAYS meant to be
Savant
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States379 Posts
August 21 2010 06:41 GMT
#1717
On August 21 2010 15:33 shadesofkarma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:32 ilj.psa wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:21 AppleTart wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote:
In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke.


after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that


Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.

hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens


Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.


So abusing a clearly defeated opponent for your ego is good manners? Doing that after losing 2 straight-up games is just bad taste. He's not getting a friend in Light and he's not getting a fan in me either. Jaedong should put his competitiveness in perspective.
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
August 21 2010 06:41 GMT
#1718
On August 21 2010 15:39 Yxes2211 wrote:
why is everyone bashing zergs for early aggression >.< Effort understood that early aggression was the key to victory in the OSL, and JD understood it here >.< I mean, its not like JD and Effort didn't attempt to play lategame, they did, and they lost. It's not like they were gonna just keep using a tactic that didn't work, come on. They did what was necessary to win. Everyone gives aggressive zergs crap for being cheesy, and is no difference that zergs crying about mech imba.

Ready to take crap for this comment lol


I personally believe that early aggression is hard to defend rather than mech. *puts fake smile*
When there's Flash there's a way.
shadesofkarma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Romania708 Posts
August 21 2010 06:41 GMT
#1719
On August 21 2010 15:39 Yxes2211 wrote:
why is everyone bashing zergs for early aggression >.< Effort understood that early aggression was the key to victory in the OSL, and JD understood it here >.< I mean, its not like JD and Effort didn't attempt to play lategame, they did, and they lost. It's not like they were gonna just keep using a tactic that didn't work, come on. They did what was necessary to win. Everyone gives aggressive zergs crap for being cheesy, and is no difference that zergs crying about mech imba.

Ready to take crap for this comment lol


People want to see epic 30+ minute games and feel cheated out of what could have been an epic finale to a great series.
Teeny
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria885 Posts
August 21 2010 06:41 GMT
#1720
On August 21 2010 15:36 ZavikZyke wrote:
To those who tuned in late this is what happened

+ Show Spoiler +
Game 1
Light is reading TL threads and sees that 14 CC is IMBA. So he 14ccs
Jaedong doesnt give a damn and decides to go speedling bust.
Light GGs
I dont recommend

Game 2
Light wisen ups and goes 1 rax fe
Jaedong goes 3 hatch but fails with his muta controls and light gets to the point of 4 base terran vs 4 base zerg. this game becomes uber epic with BCs. Light plays an S class game and wins
Watch it

Game 3
Light attempts 14cc but Jaedong has gosu drone micro and delays it. He then proceeds with a 3 hatch hydra bust. The bust is somewhat successful. For some reason, jaedong backs off and decides to go standard vs mech. Jaedong drops and swarms, but fails to mech. GG (at this point, the thread became another imba talk)
Watch it

Game 4
Jaedong goes mad at infests 2 ccs. Jaedong has more ccs than light. Light GGs.
At this point, I wont be wearing clean pants tomorrow

Game 5
Jaedong decides to end this quick with a 2 hatch mutaling all in. (he cuts drones at his nat)
Dont recommend



just woke up, have to watch game 2 and 4 asap!
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