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[MSL] Semi-Final B: Light vs Jaedong - Page 85

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ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
August 21 2010 06:32 GMT
#1681
On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:21 AppleTart wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote:
In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke.


after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that


Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.

hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens
snowdrift
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 06:32:58
August 21 2010 06:32 GMT
#1682
On August 21 2010 15:29 DarkMatter_ wrote:
I love how all the Terrans call zergs cheesy if they beat the Terran before he can amass his imba mech army. Late game ZvT is nearly impossible on Polaris Rhapsody, so why shouldn't the zerg be allowed to use early aggression to end the game before it gets to that point?


It's "Dirty Zerg"! Zerg has to play a standard, by-the-books macro game and roll over to Terran 14cc/mech on crap maps otherwise they're cheesy. Even if they're reacting to the opponent or aren't all-in (JD was only all-in in the last game), the slighest whiff of early aggression is suspect.
NaDa. Our Lord and sAviOr shall return. Learn to nydus you scrub
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
August 21 2010 06:32 GMT
#1683
On August 21 2010 15:27 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:27 J1.au wrote:
Jaedong did what he had to do to win, and I respect that. Unfortunately this kind of stuff won't fly against Flash, he will come in prepared as hell for early aggression and I honestly don't see Jaedong winning. But, what do I know? Flash versus Jaedong, round 3, fight!


Tell that to EffOrt!

Actually, EffOrt is the reason I now have faith in Flash's early-game TvZ.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
August 21 2010 06:32 GMT
#1684
On August 21 2010 15:18 IntoTheWow wrote:
I wonder where is everyone that blamed EffOrt for going for this same build against Flash. Oh true, praising Jaedong! :p

As I recall, it was mostly Terrans and Flash fans complaining. And it's going to be those same people complaining about Jaedong's victories as well.

As a zerg player, I found nothing wrong with Effort's strategies.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
August 21 2010 06:32 GMT
#1685
On August 21 2010 15:29 rockon1215 wrote:
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On August 21 2010 15:26 Tippereth wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:24 rockon1215 wrote:
Can we go ahead and call JD/Flash co-bonjwas? 3 straight MSL finals with both. 4 straight OSL finals with one of them. This is dominance.

The term bonjwa is kind of defined by its singularity though. It'd be like saying we have co-presidents, or two highlanders. There can be only one.
There were 2 roman consuls

Flash-Jaedong should be called the duumvirate.

Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
August 21 2010 06:33 GMT
#1686
On August 21 2010 15:32 ilj.psa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:21 AppleTart wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote:
In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke.


after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that


Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.

hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens

He would definitely win it without the queens. He had enough mutas to kill them.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
August 21 2010 06:33 GMT
#1687
On August 21 2010 15:30 flamewheel wrote:
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On August 21 2010 15:29 tbrown47 wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:24 ZavikZyke wrote:
mr flamewheel i am expecting an epic writeup XD

I'll try my best. I'm sorry I haven't been around much.


*slap* get on the internet more!

Sorry, uni


you smell of gay

but yeah seriously university --> more time on work/socializing, less time on the internet i hope?
Writer
Creationism
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
China505 Posts
August 21 2010 06:33 GMT
#1688
On August 21 2010 15:32 snowdrift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:29 DarkMatter_ wrote:
I love how all the Terrans call zergs cheesy if they beat the Terran before he can amass his imba mech army. Late game ZvT is nearly impossible on Polaris Rhapsody, so why shouldn't the zerg be allowed to use early aggression to end the game before it gets to that point?


It's "Dirty Zerg"! Zerg has to play a standard, by-the-books macro game and roll over to Terran 14cc/mech on crap maps otherwise they're cheesy. Even if they're reacting to the opponent or aren't all-in (JD was only all-in in the last game), any whiff of early aggression is suspect.

When both of the games that went into end game were won by the other player, you start suspecting whether the player is trying to avoid the endgame.
The hoi polloi is the plague upon the world.
shadesofkarma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Romania708 Posts
August 21 2010 06:33 GMT
#1689
On August 21 2010 15:32 ilj.psa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:21 AppleTart wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote:
In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke.


after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that


Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.

hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens


Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.
rockon1215
Profile Joined May 2009
United States612 Posts
August 21 2010 06:34 GMT
#1690
On August 21 2010 15:32 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:29 rockon1215 wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:26 Tippereth wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:24 rockon1215 wrote:
Can we go ahead and call JD/Flash co-bonjwas? 3 straight MSL finals with both. 4 straight OSL finals with one of them. This is dominance.

The term bonjwa is kind of defined by its singularity though. It'd be like saying we have co-presidents, or two highlanders. There can be only one.
There were 2 roman consuls

Flash-Jaedong should be called the duumvirate.

Roman empire imba
Flash v Jaedong The finals that is ALWAYS meant to be
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
August 21 2010 06:34 GMT
#1691
Wasn't it a long time ago where a zerg said "Leave mech for protoss" with a confident tone? :l
When there's Flash there's a way.
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
August 21 2010 06:34 GMT
#1692
On August 21 2010 15:30 Warrior Madness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:29 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:27 IntoTheWow wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:27 J1.au wrote:
Jaedong did what he had to do to win, and I respect that. Unfortunately this kind of stuff won't fly against Flash, he will come in prepared as hell for early aggression and I honestly don't see Jaedong winning. But, what do I know? Flash versus Jaedong, round 3, fight!


Tell that to EffOrt!



JD isn't really the type to 4/5 pool imo.


Tell that to Hwasin. And then tell that to Hwasin once again.


And to Fantasy ...
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
August 21 2010 06:34 GMT
#1693
On August 21 2010 15:33 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:32 ilj.psa wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:21 AppleTart wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote:
In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke.


after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that


Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.

hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens

He would definitely win it without the queens. He had enough mutas to kill them.


the queens stopped mining much faster though... it may have been overkill, but it was certainly efficient
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L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
August 21 2010 06:34 GMT
#1694
On August 21 2010 15:29 DarkMatter_ wrote:
I love how all the Terrans call zergs cheesy if they beat the Terran before he can amass his imba mech army. Late game ZvT is nearly impossible on Polaris Rhapsody, so why shouldn't the zerg be allowed to use early aggression to end the game before it gets to that point?


It's nothing compared to zerg rage and whine when terran cheese though. Were you around when Flash kicked out JD in the OSL 2 seasons back? Man, like 5 people were directly tempbanned for the bullshit they wrote.
Kazius
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Israel1456 Posts
August 21 2010 06:34 GMT
#1695
You know what guys? If this series teaches ME something, it is that EffOrt is equal to JD in everything but his "aura". People are afraid of JD and hence do dumber stuff in hopes of catching him off-guard, but when both are faced with an opponent that they can't out-manage, they become Kwanro. I kinda liked JD before this series, but his game style once he doesn't go for his sexy management game is like Shine's... a player worthy of loathing and nothing more.

... talk about disillusionment.
Friendship is like peeing yourself. Anyone can see it, but only you get that warm feeling.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
August 21 2010 06:34 GMT
#1696
On August 21 2010 15:29 DarkMatter_ wrote:
I love how all the Terrans call zergs cheesy if they beat the Terran before he can amass his imba mech army. Late game ZvT is nearly impossible on Polaris Rhapsody, so why shouldn't the zerg be allowed to use early aggression to end the game before it gets to that point?



Yeah, seriously. If the only way to beat a late-game mech transition by a Terran player is to not let it get to the late game, then that's what a progamer has to do.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
August 21 2010 06:35 GMT
#1697
I have to say though, Jaedong's lategame play was lacking. He played like just another Effort or Zero. Solid, but not good enough to beat Flash. Compare today's games with the way he played on grandline a few days ago. That game was absolutely flawless from Jaedong.
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
August 21 2010 06:35 GMT
#1698
On August 21 2010 15:31 rockon1215 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 21 2010 15:29 LuigiNMario wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:27 IntoTheWow wrote:
On August 21 2010 15:27 J1.au wrote:
Jaedong did what he had to do to win, and I respect that. Unfortunately this kind of stuff won't fly against Flash, he will come in prepared as hell for early aggression and I honestly don't see Jaedong winning. But, what do I know? Flash versus Jaedong, round 3, fight!


Tell that to EffOrt!



JD isn't really the type to 4/5 pool imo.
Jaedong v Fantasy on Holy World would like to have a word with you


Just like (T)Fantasy cheesed him in the PL a bit earlier, and just like (T)Light cheesed (Z)Jaedong twice in a row in WCG
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
August 21 2010 06:36 GMT
#1699
cut the cheese... sheesh
always tired -_-
LuigiNMario
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
August 21 2010 06:36 GMT
#1700
On August 21 2010 15:35 DarkMatter_ wrote:
I have to say though, Jaedong's lategame play was lacking. He played like just another Effort or Zero. Solid, but not good enough to beat Flash. Compare today's games with the way he played on grandline a few days ago. That game was absolutely flawless from Jaedong.


The thing on grandline is that light didn't fully commit to mines and tanks.
When there's Flash there's a way.
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