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On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 15:21 AppleTart wrote:On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote:
In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke. after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same.
hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens
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On August 21 2010 15:29 DarkMatter_ wrote:
I love how all the Terrans call zergs cheesy if they beat the Terran before he can amass his imba mech army. Late game ZvT is nearly impossible on Polaris Rhapsody, so why shouldn't the zerg be allowed to use early aggression to end the game before it gets to that point?
It's "Dirty Zerg"! Zerg has to play a standard, by-the-books macro game and roll over to Terran 14cc/mech on crap maps otherwise they're cheesy. Even if they're reacting to the opponent or aren't all-in (JD was only all-in in the last game), the slighest whiff of early aggression is suspect.
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On August 21 2010 15:27 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 15:27 J1.au wrote:
Jaedong did what he had to do to win, and I respect that. Unfortunately this kind of stuff won't fly against Flash, he will come in prepared as hell for early aggression and I honestly don't see Jaedong winning. But, what do I know? Flash versus Jaedong, round 3, fight! Tell that to EffOrt!
Actually, EffOrt is the reason I now have faith in Flash's early-game TvZ.
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On August 21 2010 15:18 IntoTheWow wrote:
I wonder where is everyone that blamed EffOrt for going for this same build against Flash. Oh true, praising Jaedong! :p
As I recall, it was mostly Terrans and Flash fans complaining. And it's going to be those same people complaining about Jaedong's victories as well.
As a zerg player, I found nothing wrong with Effort's strategies.
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On August 21 2010 15:29 rockon1215 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 15:26 Tippereth wrote:On August 21 2010 15:24 rockon1215 wrote:
Can we go ahead and call JD/Flash co-bonjwas? 3 straight MSL finals with both. 4 straight OSL finals with one of them. This is dominance. The term bonjwa is kind of defined by its singularity though. It'd be like saying we have co-presidents, or two highlanders. There can be only one. There were 2 roman consuls
Flash-Jaedong should be called the duumvirate.
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On August 21 2010 15:32 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:On August 21 2010 15:21 AppleTart wrote:On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote:
In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke. after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same. hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens
He would definitely win it without the queens. He had enough mutas to kill them.
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On August 21 2010 15:30 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 15:29 tbrown47 wrote:On August 21 2010 15:26 flamewheel wrote:On August 21 2010 15:24 ZavikZyke wrote:
mr flamewheel i am expecting an epic writeup XD I'll try my best. I'm sorry I haven't been around much. *slap* get on the internet more! Sorry, uni 
you smell of gay
but yeah seriously university --> more time on work/socializing, less time on the internet i hope?
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On August 21 2010 15:32 snowdrift wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 15:29 DarkMatter_ wrote:
I love how all the Terrans call zergs cheesy if they beat the Terran before he can amass his imba mech army. Late game ZvT is nearly impossible on Polaris Rhapsody, so why shouldn't the zerg be allowed to use early aggression to end the game before it gets to that point? It's "Dirty Zerg"! Zerg has to play a standard, by-the-books macro game and roll over to Terran 14cc/mech on crap maps otherwise they're cheesy. Even if they're reacting to the opponent or aren't all-in (JD was only all-in in the last game), any whiff of early aggression is suspect.
When both of the games that went into end game were won by the other player, you start suspecting whether the player is trying to avoid the endgame.
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On August 21 2010 15:32 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:On August 21 2010 15:21 AppleTart wrote:On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote:
In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke. after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same. hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens
Not really for bm I think but more to play mind games with Light and make him cry.
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On August 21 2010 15:32 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 15:29 rockon1215 wrote:On August 21 2010 15:26 Tippereth wrote:On August 21 2010 15:24 rockon1215 wrote:
Can we go ahead and call JD/Flash co-bonjwas? 3 straight MSL finals with both. 4 straight OSL finals with one of them. This is dominance. The term bonjwa is kind of defined by its singularity though. It'd be like saying we have co-presidents, or two highlanders. There can be only one. There were 2 roman consuls Flash-Jaedong should be called the duumvirate. Roman empire imba
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Wasn't it a long time ago where a zerg said "Leave mech for protoss" with a confident tone? :l
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On August 21 2010 15:30 Warrior Madness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 15:29 LuigiNMario wrote:On August 21 2010 15:27 IntoTheWow wrote:On August 21 2010 15:27 J1.au wrote:
Jaedong did what he had to do to win, and I respect that. Unfortunately this kind of stuff won't fly against Flash, he will come in prepared as hell for early aggression and I honestly don't see Jaedong winning. But, what do I know? Flash versus Jaedong, round 3, fight! Tell that to EffOrt! JD isn't really the type to 4/5 pool imo. Tell that to Hwasin. And then tell that to Hwasin once again.
And to Fantasy ...
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On August 21 2010 15:33 Lebesgue wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 15:32 ilj.psa wrote:On August 21 2010 15:25 Monkeyshark wrote:On August 21 2010 15:21 AppleTart wrote:On August 21 2010 15:20 Monkeyshark wrote:
In my heart, Light won today. I got nothing against Jaedong but kekekeke. after double infested CC i dont think you can even say that Maybe some people don't like to see bm from big advantage, you know. I enjoyed game 2 and 3, it didn't matter who would win those games because it was exciting as hell but they other 3 I can't say the same. hm dunno if your saying it was "bm" from jaedong. but it was strategy nothing with bm, he needed to get those CC's to cut Lights economy and proceed to macro. i dont think JD woudl had even won the games if it wasn't for the queens He would definitely win it without the queens. He had enough mutas to kill them.
the queens stopped mining much faster though... it may have been overkill, but it was certainly efficient
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On August 21 2010 15:29 DarkMatter_ wrote:
I love how all the Terrans call zergs cheesy if they beat the Terran before he can amass his imba mech army. Late game ZvT is nearly impossible on Polaris Rhapsody, so why shouldn't the zerg be allowed to use early aggression to end the game before it gets to that point?
It's nothing compared to zerg rage and whine when terran cheese though. Were you around when Flash kicked out JD in the OSL 2 seasons back? Man, like 5 people were directly tempbanned for the bullshit they wrote.
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You know what guys? If this series teaches ME something, it is that EffOrt is equal to JD in everything but his "aura". People are afraid of JD and hence do dumber stuff in hopes of catching him off-guard, but when both are faced with an opponent that they can't out-manage, they become Kwanro. I kinda liked JD before this series, but his game style once he doesn't go for his sexy management game is like Shine's... a player worthy of loathing and nothing more.
... talk about disillusionment.
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On August 21 2010 15:29 DarkMatter_ wrote:
I love how all the Terrans call zergs cheesy if they beat the Terran before he can amass his imba mech army. Late game ZvT is nearly impossible on Polaris Rhapsody, so why shouldn't the zerg be allowed to use early aggression to end the game before it gets to that point?
Yeah, seriously. If the only way to beat a late-game mech transition by a Terran player is to not let it get to the late game, then that's what a progamer has to do.
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I have to say though, Jaedong's lategame play was lacking. He played like just another Effort or Zero. Solid, but not good enough to beat Flash. Compare today's games with the way he played on grandline a few days ago. That game was absolutely flawless from Jaedong.
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On August 21 2010 15:31 rockon1215 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2010 15:29 LuigiNMario wrote:On August 21 2010 15:27 IntoTheWow wrote:On August 21 2010 15:27 J1.au wrote:
Jaedong did what he had to do to win, and I respect that. Unfortunately this kind of stuff won't fly against Flash, he will come in prepared as hell for early aggression and I honestly don't see Jaedong winning. But, what do I know? Flash versus Jaedong, round 3, fight! Tell that to EffOrt! JD isn't really the type to 4/5 pool imo. Jaedong v Fantasy on Holy World would like to have a word with you
Just like  Fantasy cheesed him in the PL a bit earlier, and just like Light cheesed  Jaedong twice in a row in WCG
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On August 21 2010 15:35 DarkMatter_ wrote:
I have to say though, Jaedong's lategame play was lacking. He played like just another Effort or Zero. Solid, but not good enough to beat Flash. Compare today's games with the way he played on grandline a few days ago. That game was absolutely flawless from Jaedong.
The thing on grandline is that light didn't fully commit to mines and tanks.
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